Must a Christian read the Ten Commandments to Know How God wants them to live?

[michael56]

That is possibly the most Biblically illiterate statements I have ever read. The Ten Commandments are what is written on the hearts and minds of those under the New Covenant. If you had bothered to study Hebrews 8, you would have discovered this.

If the Ten commandments are written on the mind and placed on the heart of the convert, why would they need to read the literal words of the Ten Commandments to know how God wants them to live?

 

[michael56]

Well, tell us what the correct love is so we can decide.

Love is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. Do you believe Hitler displayed the fruits of the Holy Spirit?

 

[PeterJens]

If the Ten commandments are written on the mind and placed on the heart of the convert, why would they need to read the literal words of the Ten Commandments to know how God wants them to live?

The answer to that question is called insanity. We need to be grounded, with a good reference point.
The people of Israel did not choose to leave Egypt, it was thrust on them. The promise was a better life, but their hearts were not in it. Any excuse and they would rebel, break rules, warnings and do their own thing.

Those who are called, though love is written on their hearts they are prone to failure, deception, being missguided etc.
Without balance and understanding loyalty and love, we are all lost. Take Judas, he knew it all but still betrayed Jesus.
The charaismatic word of faith movement would like to believe we have the Holy Spirit so do not need the bible. If you see how they behave, you would wonder if they even know God let alone the Holy Spirit.

 

[Mitspa]

I find this fascinating. You do know that Hitler loved Germany, he loved Eva, he loved children and dogs. So, since he loved, he must be OK, right?

After all, according to you, when we start defining love that is LEGALISM.

Do you think the love of God..agape Is the same as hitlers love? Come on John! And if you don't know the love of God as the bible describes, then you have bigger problems than being called a legalist. The bible defines love (agape) and tells us it is from the Spirit of God. I hope you have it because if you don't, you are not saved.

 

[michael56]

The answer to that question is called insanity. We need to be grounded, with a good reference point.
The people of Israel did not choose to leave Egypt, it was thrust on them. The promise was a better life, but their hearts were not in it. Any excuse and they would rebel, break rules, warnings and do their own thing.

Those who are called, though love is written on their hearts they are prone to failure, deception, being missguided etc.
Without balance and understanding loyalty and love, we are all lost. Take Judas, he knew it all but still betrayed Jesus.
The charaismatic word of faith movement would like to believe we have the Holy Spirit so do not need the bible. If you see how they behave, you would wonder if they even know God let alone the Holy Spirit.

For myself, I am grateful for being reared in churches that laid the greatest importance on reading the bible. Don't know if you would call them charismatic, most were Pentecostal

 

[john832]

If the Ten commandments are written on the mind and placed on the heart of the convert, why would they need to read the literal words of the Ten Commandments to know how God wants them to live?

Really? See folks, here is what happens when someone continually parrots something they have heard instead of LEARNING from the scriptures. Here is what we are instructed to do...

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Why is that?

Jer 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

The man after God's own heart said this...

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Psa 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
Psa 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
Psa 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Psa 19:11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
Psa 19:12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

So, does God just magically place all the knowledge we need in our hearts? michael56 and Mitspa would have you believe that but the scripture says something much different...

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

The noble Bereans studied daily but better yet, let's see what Christ says about it...

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Christ says to search the scriptures because THE SCRIPTURES TESTIFY OF HIM. Now, do you suppose we ought to read the Commandments?

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

The saints do and are rewarded with eternal life.

 

[michael56]

Really? See folks, here is what happens when someone continually parrots something they have heard instead of LEARNING from the scriptures. Here is what we are instructed to do...

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Why is that?

Jer 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

The man after God's own heart said this...

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Psa 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
Psa 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
Psa 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Psa 19:11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
Psa 19:12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

So, does God just magically place all the knowledge we need in our hearts? michael56 and Mitspa would have you believe that but the scripture says something much different...

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

The noble Bereans studied daily but better yet, let's see what Christ says about it...

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Christ says to search the scriptures because THE SCRIPTURES TESTIFY OF HIM. Now, do you suppose we ought to read the Commandments?

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

The saints do and are rewarded with eternal life.

You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone. [SUP]3 [/SUP]You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

2Cor3:2&3

If you have to read the literal words of the Ten Commandments to know how God wants you to live under the new covenant, you have problems, to put it mildly

 

[john832]

Do you think the love of God..agape Is the same as hitlers love? Come on John! And if you don't know the love of God as the bible describes, then you have bigger problems than being called a legalist. The bible defines love (agape) and tells us it is from the Spirit of God. I hope you have it because if you don't, you are not saved.

Well, explain to me what agape love is. C'mon, show us what love is without using rules and laws to define it.

 

[Mitspa]

The answer to that question is called insanity. We need to be grounded, with a good reference point.
The people of Israel did not choose to leave Egypt, it was thrust on them. The promise was a better life, but their hearts were not in it. Any excuse and they would rebel, break rules, warnings and do their own thing.

Those who are called, though love is written on their hearts they are prone to failure, deception, being missguided etc.
Without balance and understanding loyalty and love, we are all lost. Take Judas, he knew it all but still betrayed Jesus.
The charaismatic word of faith movement would like to believe we have the Holy Spirit so do not need the bible. If you see how they behave, you would wonder if they even know God let alone the Holy Spirit.

1Jo 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

 

[john832]

The answer to that question is called insanity. We need to be grounded, with a good reference point.
The people of Israel did not choose to leave Egypt, it was thrust on them. The promise was a better life, but their hearts were not in it. Any excuse and they would rebel, break rules, warnings and do their own thing.

Those who are called, though love is written on their hearts they are prone to failure, deception, being missguided etc.
Without balance and understanding loyalty and love, we are all lost. Take Judas, he knew it all but still betrayed Jesus.
The charaismatic word of faith movement would like to believe we have the Holy Spirit so do not need the bible. If you see how they behave, you would wonder if they even know God let alone the Holy Spirit.

Keen insight here. The Word of God must be read to understand but understanding comes by the Holy Spirit...

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

The truth that we read in the scriptures is revealed by the Holy Spirit. It takes both.

 

[john832]

1Jo 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

OK, how do we know who is in the light?

 

[john832]

You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone. [SUP]3 [/SUP]You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

2Cor3:2&3

If you have to read the literal words of the Ten Commandments to know how God wants you to live under the new covenant, you have problems, to put it mildly

Really? You must think Paul had monumental problems...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Paul said that the Law defined sin for Him. He would not know if something is wrong or right without the Law. John, the Apostle Christ loved, said the same thing...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Sorry these don't fit your mixed up theology but they are scripture and they are truth.

 

[Mitspa]

Well, explain to me what agape love is. C'mon, show us what love is without using rules and laws to define it.

Again you must first consider the commandment of Christ to love as He loves us....and if you have the Holy Spirit you should have some understanding of what the agape of God is, because its shed abroad in your heart, by the Spirit.....also I suggest you read 1 Cor 13

 

[john832]

Again you must first consider the commandment of Christ to love as He loves us....and if you have the Holy Spirit you should have some understanding of what the agape of God is, because its shed abroad in your heart, by the Spirit.....also I suggest you read 1 Cor 13

OK and if I relieve you of your wallet, why is that not love?

 

[Mitspa]

Really? You must think Paul had monumental problems...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Paul said that the Law defined sin for Him. He would not know if something is wrong or right without the Law. John, the Apostle Christ loved, said the same thing...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Sorry these don't fit your mixed up theology but they are scripture and they are truth.

Yea that why He said we have been delivered from the letter "legalism" and now serve God through the Spirit...which is faith and love.

 

[michael56]

Really? You must think Paul had monumental problems...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Paul said that the Law defined sin for Him. He would not know if something is wrong or right without the Law. John, the Apostle Christ loved, said the same thing...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Sorry these don't fit your mixed up theology but they are scripture and they are truth.

In Rom 7:7-11 Paul is speaking of his life as a Pharisee pre conversion to Christianity

Of course the law reveals your sin, the law placed on your heart and written on your mind by the Spirit reveals your sin.

I don't mean to be unkind, but this is at the very core of the new covenant, what is the problem for you believing it?

And you think I am mixed up!!!

 

[john832]

Again you must first consider the commandment of Christ to love as He loves us....and if you have the Holy Spirit you should have some understanding of what the agape of God is, because its shed abroad in your heart, by the Spirit.....also I suggest you read 1 Cor 13

Ah, I see. So, I don't see a single word about fooling around with another man's wife here. That is considered love by many.

 

[Mitspa]

OK and if I relieve you of your wallet, why is that not love?

The Love of God would never steal, because it looks to give, not take! This is not hard to figure out ...even human love could help you see that...do you steal from those you love?

 

[Mitspa]

Ah, I see. So, I don't see a single word about fooling around with another man's wife here. That is considered love by many.

Well clearly that is lust, not agape! Agape prays for others and their marriage and helps restore things....Agape don't take from others.....Just one question John...are you born-again of the Spirit of God? Because you have to have no understanding of the Spirit of God that is supposed to be in a believer.

 

[Mitspa]

Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.