Must a Christian read the Ten Commandments to Know How God wants them to live?

[royalscot]

What is the moral law?
If one has to ask this question I would have to question rather they have the Holy Spirit within them or not.
The moral law of God is to walk in love, for love will not covet, lie, steal, murder, hate, commit idolatry, adultery, and so on...And in return will do good to others, show forgiveness, compassion, mercy, protection, and so on........

God did not send His Holy Spirit here for us to continue to walk in lewdness, sins, darkness, lusts.
God sent the Holy Spirit to guide and help us walk in love, righteousness, forgiveness, mercy, abstain and have control over sins, and so on......

being perfect is a sin then.
having a soul is learning to fight self. will you ever win this fight, given death has not been conquered by us.

yet i asked what law was given to you that saved you. not a description of a pharisees look at law, or is grace a gift for all.

1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

we are now ,free in fear to condemnation from the law, and free from fear of death by what jesus christ has already done for you.


if there is no condemnation, then why are you looking at law for a definition to the meaning of sin. when the gentile was never given the 10 commandment.


so your view has came through a law that was never given to you.

 

[kennethcadwell]

What is the moral law?
If one has to ask this question I would have to question rather they have the Holy Spirit within them or not.
The moral law of God is to walk in love, for love will not covet, lie, steal, murder, hate, commit idolatry, adultery, and so on...And in return will do good to others, show forgiveness, compassion, mercy, protection, and so on........

God did not send His Holy Spirit here for us to continue to walk in lewdness, sins, darkness, lusts.
God sent the Holy Spirit to guide and help us walk in love, righteousness, forgiveness, mercy, abstain and have control over sins, and so on......

I just wanted to add that even the bible says those who change the grace of God to allowing others to continue to walk in sin (lewdness) everyday are under another false gospel.


Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.


Romans 6:15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.


1 Thessalonians 4:7
For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

 

[kennethcadwell]

being perfect is a sin then.
having a soul is learning to fight self. will you ever win this fight, given death has not been conquered by us.

yet i asked what law was given to you that saved you. not a description of a pharisees look at law, or is grace a gift for all.

1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

we are now ,free in fear to condemnation from the law, and free from fear of death by what jesus christ has already done for you.


if there is no condemnation, then why are you looking at law for a definition to the meaning of sin. when the gentile was never given the 10 commandment.


so your view has came through a law that was never given to you.

If a person is seeking to be justified by the Mosaic laws, then they are putting the law before the Lord.
The Lord is the one who justifies us, not the law. So if you are seeking to be justified by something other then the Lord you are sinning because you are putting your faith in the law and not on the Lord.

 

[kennethcadwell]

being perfect is a sin then.
having a soul is learning to fight self. will you ever win this fight, given death has not been conquered by us.

yet i asked what law was given to you that saved you. not a description of a pharisees look at law, or is grace a gift for all.

1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

we are now ,free in fear to condemnation from the law, and free from fear of death by what jesus christ has already done for you.


if there is no condemnation, then why are you looking at law for a definition to the meaning of sin. when the gentile was never given the 10 commandment.


so your view has came through a law that was never given to you.

And you have to read the proper context from Paul about being no condemnation to those who are in Christ.
Being in Christ means walking in faith in Him, love, forgiveness, mercy, and the other fruits of the Spirit will be evident as well as Paul points out in Galatians 5:22-26 and John points out in 1 John chapters 2-4.

I don't know where you keep getting I defend the mosaic laws when I constantly say the 613 Mosaic laws do not apply to us.

Nowhere in the bible does it say you will no longer ever sin again unless you misuse scripture, nor does the bible never say sin no longer is a risk in one's life as a believer.
Most of Paul's warnings of sins was to believers, and 1st and 2nd Timothy Paul was warning Apostle Timothy about becoming impure again do to sins. Jude speaks of the dangers sin poses to a believer, and even goes as showing the result if one gives back into sin is not salvation.

James states the same as he says when a believer gives back into their lusts and lets sin become full grown it leads back to death, and Paul says who you give yourselves to obey that is your master. If you obey your sins they will lead to death, and if you obey the Lord He will lead you in righteousness unto eternal life.

 

[gotime]

being perfect is a sin then.
having a soul is learning to fight self. will you ever win this fight, given death has not been conquered by us.

yet i asked what law was given to you that saved you. not a description of a pharisees look at law, or is grace a gift for all.

1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

we are now ,free in fear to condemnation from the law, and free from fear of death by what jesus christ has already done for you.


if there is no condemnation, then why are you looking at law for a definition to the meaning of sin. when the gentile was never given the 10 commandment.


so your view has came through a law that was never given to you.

read the words carefully,

om 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

The law of sin is the opposite of the law of God/Spirit.

it does not say you are free from obeying the law but that you are free from the law of sin. SO what is the law of Sin according to Paul?

Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

well we know that the 10 commandments are not sin so they can not be the law of sin. but notice:

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Paul said the law of God he delights in/10 commandments contextually. but he is captive to the law of sin in his members. what is in his members?

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

The law of sin is sin itself or breaking the law of God so its the opposite.

and this scripture again:

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

So if you are free form captivity to the law of sin and death which is sin for the wages of sin is death, then you must not be sinning and that means you must be obeying Gods law by faith and reception of the Spirit as it is written:

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

what law? the law of God/Spirit. which clearly contextually is the Moral law of God the 10 commandments. namely love for God and love for your neighbor.

 

[royalscot]

If a person is seeking to be justified by the Mosaic laws, then they are putting the law before the Lord.
The Lord is the one who justifies us, not the law. So if you are seeking to be justified by something other then the Lord you are sinning because you are putting your faith in the law and not on the Lord.

you want to make up your mind.

God did not send His Holy Spirit here for us to continue to walk in lewdness, sins, darkness, lusts.
God sent the Holy Spirit to guide and help us walk in love, righteousness, forgiveness, mercy, abstain and have control over sins, and so on......your quote

acts 15 already told you, i am not under this law.

make up your mind. the top quote, bottom quote.

sinning because you are putting your faith in the law and not on the Lord.(your quote)

saved by grace a gift, my quote.
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.


judge not or be judged. top quote (even when he agrees that act 15 is not the full law.)
sinning with no condemnation. bottom quote. (what law is needed for believing in promise) already quoted in gal 3


what law did you get definition to sin, what law was given to a gentile.

 

[PeterJens]

you want to make up your mind.

God did not send His Holy Spirit here for us to continue to walk in lewdness, sins, darkness, lusts.
God sent the Holy Spirit to guide and help us walk in love, righteousness, forgiveness, mercy, abstain and have control over sins, and so on......your quote

acts 15 already told you, i am not under this law.

make up your mind. the top quote, bottom quote.

sinning because you are putting your faith in the law and not on the Lord.(your quote)

saved by grace a gift, my quote.
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.


judge not or be judged. top quote (even when he agrees that act 15 is not the full law.)
sinning with no condemnation. bottom quote. (what law is needed for believing in promise) already quoted in gal 3


what law did you get definition to sin, what law was given to a gentile.

I hate to say this but whatever point you are trying to make it is not clear. All men are judged under one law, the law of Moses. Only one nation was given as the means to obtain a relationship with the Lord Israel.
Jesus fulfilled Israel's mission by completing or fulfilling the law, and setting all men free who had faith in him. Now that is simple christian theology. Whatever you are suggesting is a new idea, or a distortion of ideas taking verses about the new covenant as a seperate agreement from the old covenant, when they are connected, which is why the curtain was torn in two as a symbol of the stopping of the role of the priest in the holy of holies.
Ofcourse you are free to believe what you like, but I am not sure any of us understand your point.

 

[Mitspa]

I hate to say this but whatever point you are trying to make it is not clear. All men are judged under one law, the law of Moses. Only one nation was given as the means to obtain a relationship with the Lord Israel.
Jesus fulfilled Israel's mission by completing or fulfilling the law, and setting all men free who had faith in him. Now that is simple christian theology. Whatever you are suggesting is a new idea, or a distortion of ideas taking verses about the new covenant as a seperate agreement from the old covenant, when they are connected, which is why the curtain was torn in two as a symbol of the stopping of the role of the priest in the holy of holies.
Ofcourse you are free to believe what you like, but I am not sure any of us understand your point.

All who believe the truth understand what he is saying...

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. 7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

 

[royalscot]

you want to make up your mind.

God did not send His Holy Spirit here for us to continue to walk in lewdness, sins, darkness, lusts.
God sent the Holy Spirit to guide and help us walk in love, righteousness, forgiveness, mercy, abstain and have control over sins, and so on......your quote

acts 15 already told you, i am not under this law.

make up your mind. the top quote, bottom quote.

sinning because you are putting your faith in the law and not on the Lord.(your quote)

saved by grace a gift, my quote.
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.


judge not or be judged. top quote (even when he agrees that act 15 is not the full law.)
sinning with no condemnation. bottom quote. (what law is needed for believing in promise) already quoted in gal 3


what law did you get definition to sin, what law was given to a gentile.

the bottom line should read like this
what law, did you get your definition to the meaning of what sin is, what law was given to a gentile.

 

[royalscot]

I hate to say this but whatever point you are trying to make it is not clear. All men are judged under one law, the law of Moses. Only one nation was given as the means to obtain a relationship with the Lord Israel.
Jesus fulfilled Israel's mission by completing or fulfilling the law, and setting all men free who had faith in him. Now that is simple christian theology. Whatever you are suggesting is a new idea, or a distortion of ideas taking verses about the new covenant as a seperate agreement from the old covenant, when they are connected, which is why the curtain was torn in two as a symbol of the stopping of the role of the priest in the holy of holies.
Ofcourse you are free to believe what you like, but I am not sure any of us understand your point.

first prove they are distorted.
simple is seeing act 15 is saying its a different law to the law of moses. so how can i be judged by this law if it was never given to me.

no gentile is under law of moses.

and if jesus has saved me , when would i look at law

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8:

crawl back under law of moses if you want. gal 3 v1 already told why god works miracles among christians



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[fredjames]

If you mean by that, obedience to all the literal commands of Christ, I heard a minister state:

The standard set in the Beatitudes is impossible for man to achieve''

If the minister is right, then no Christian will live up to the standard they believe must be obtained.

If he is not, how many people do you know who live up to the standard of obedience to each and every command of Christ in the beatitudes?

Fibbing is failing to live up to Christ's standards!

As it is written:

"The blind leading the blind and soon they are going to fall into a ditch."

'Itching ears' and 'bullies' that are mentioned to young Timothy to be 'aware of' and 'not please them' and 'fight a Good fight', in his mentoring for Timothy to 'run' after him, who these will be in the church and Apostle Paul know them very well, for he already have encounter with them and yet in love 'tolerate' them until they repent themselves, the 'rascals' in the church who would want to 'practice' on their own, rather than 'practice' what is written and given as to them be the New Covenant of GOD.

These 'heart harden' adopted ones 'by Grace through faith', who were 'called' and accepted as children, think they know better than the FATHER about HIS 'AGAPE' knowledge and practices, who came in the 'physical form' through CHRIST JESUS of the New Covenant.

We rather listen to men rather than GOD's given Covenant, who is capable to speak on behalf of satan and a beginner or lame standard believer can be deceived. For example in the New Covenant, JESUS 'proclaims';

"Everyone then who hears these words/teachings of mine and does/practices them, are liken onto a 'wise builder'..............."

As a 'man of GOD', i would only 'prophesy' what is written for 'building up' others in 'AGAPE' and draw them also in labor all closer to GOD and CHRIST and be ready to 'go home'. i would give only that was taught and given and practiced by the MASTER Himself in 'AGAPE' here on earth and those who 'believe' in HIM, may 'practice' day by day and by the 'Help' of the HOLY SPIRIT walk in HIS 'footsteps' and 'impart' the same Good onto others and get ready to return home.

Meantime there will in the church satan and his 'agents' in sheep clothing, even in 'high rankings'. For example it is written will be amongst;

"The 'blind leading the blind' ........................................."

"There will be 'wolves in sheep clothing' ...................................."

"Even satan disguises himself as an 'angel of Light' and it is not surprising that his servants disguises themselves as 'servants of righteousness'."

How to recognize them? They and their 'itching ears' followers will say things in contrary and in opposition to the given and taught HOLY BIBLE in 'context' which was 'inspired' and 'helped' by the HOLY SPIRIT.

Please take note of a 'blind' or a 'shortsighted' minister who is 'deceived' himself, deceive influences the 'weak' like him, a 'twisted' message from the 'origin' taught and given. For example true JESUS 'the author and finisher of our faith' say, 'does/practice HIS words/teachings' and this false minister in HIS absents say, 'impossible for man to achieve'.

And so, if i am another 'blind' or 'shortsighted', how would i accept this message and witness to others and also can we not distinguish who are they?

The saying of the minister from satan 'seed' is 'true' but they are said with a 'twist'. For example, 'it will be impossible for man to achieve if he doesn't listen to HIS MASTER's voice and do/practice them at all', even repeatedly reminded after HIM by HIS true servants'.

To 'expose' these 'false' minister and 'false' witnesses, as CHRIST in HIS words already said about them, as 'foolish builders'.

As it is written;

"And everyone who hears these words/teachings of mine and 'does not do/practice' them are liken onto a 'foolish builder' .........................................."

But these 'foxes' deny this saying of JESUS, that is 'clear' to 'everyone who witness they believe in HIM as the CHRIST of the New Covenant' and they are rather 'sleek' and love to quote other saying of JESUS to suite their 'itching ears' and totally 'murder' the 'written context truth', even love that of the minister's and boldly continue deceiving others as well.

 

[michael56]

Yes that is sinning, as putting anything before God is a sin.
And the Galatians put the law before the Lord, as their justification they seek was from the law and not from the Lord.
In other words they idolized the law for their justification and therefore put it before the Lord our God, and in doing such Paul said Christ has become of no effect to them (no remission of sins) and they have fallen from grace (no longer under God's grace).

Once again like I said read Jude as his epistle is about eternal life salvation through Christ, and he gives the Exodus for one of his examples. Then go and read Exodus 32 and you will find out what happened to those that Jude says were destroyed by God after turning back away from Him. Verse 33 shows God blotted them out of His book of Life, meaning no salvation.

Justification by the law is a sin, because it places the law before the Lord...........

I've read Exodus 32, but there is a difference between the old and new covenants:

Circumcise your hearts, therefore, and do not be stiff-necked any longer Deut 10:16

The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live. Deut 30:6


And yet to you, if a person sins their right standing/justification with God is threatened. As sin is transgression of the law, a persons right standing/justification before God depends on obeying the law:
[SUP] [/SUP]For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, [SUP]15 [/SUP]because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression Rom 4:14&15

If you rely on observing the law therefore you are cut off from grace for grace comes through faith

You didn't tell me yesterday if you automatically keep all of Christ's literal commands. If you fail to perfectly keep any of them, do you believe you have sinned? If you do, does that mean until you have confessed your sin, and repented for not perfectly keeping them your right standing before God is threatened?

 

[michael56]

Nice post, fairly logical argument.

however I would suggest that your view of justification/imputed righteousness is lacking.

what about sanctification/imparted righteousness.?

Can we have justification without sanctification? I would say no.

Look what Paul says:

Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Its not enough to hear one must do, and being that we can not do one then must have to be converted by faith to a doer of the law in order to be justified.

Paul puts it this way:

Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Have a look at the word "freed" there, it is translated everywhere else in Romans as "justified"

so it should read, for he that is dead is justified from sin.

and what does being dead mean to Paul?

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. We who died to sin, how shall we any longer live therein?

To be sure what Paul means:

Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey the lusts thereof:


Its the new birth experience one is not justified when unless they are born again. And as you have rightly pointed out to break the law is sin, and Paul says that we are dead to sin and that means we do not live or obey its lusts. the defult is that through faith in Christs death and resurrection we stop sinning willfully which means by default we are obeying the law by faith in Christ.

Can you show me where it is stated the Christian has a righteousness before God apart from the law at the point of conversion, but not after?

The whole point being. Christ died to pay the penalty of your sin and to break the power of sin, and the power of sin is the penalty attached to the law if you break it.
If you say, once a person has been accepted by God through faith in his son, their continued salvation hinges on ceasing sin/observing the law, you then place them back under the penalty of sin, and therefore the power of sin

 

[kennethcadwell]

you want to make up your mind.

God did not send His Holy Spirit here for us to continue to walk in lewdness, sins, darkness, lusts.
God sent the Holy Spirit to guide and help us walk in love, righteousness, forgiveness, mercy, abstain and have control over sins, and so on......your quote

acts 15 already told you, i am not under this law.

make up your mind. the top quote, bottom quote.

sinning because you are putting your faith in the law and not on the Lord.(your quote)

saved by grace a gift, my quote.
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.


judge not or be judged. top quote (even when he agrees that act 15 is not the full law.)
sinning with no condemnation. bottom quote. (what law is needed for believing in promise) already quoted in gal 3


what law did you get definition to sin, what law was given to a gentile.

What are you talking about as walking in the Spirit, which is love, forgiveness, mercy, compassion, and so on is not the Mosaic laws that we are not under.
Those are the fruits of the Spirit that a born again believer will have. I don't know what you mean make up my mind, because I keep saying the same thing over and over again.
We are called to walk in the Spirit, and not walk in the flesh. Walking in flesh is a carnal mind that is still subject to the Mosaic laws as they still live in a sinful lifestyle and their punishment will come at the second death in the lake of fire. As well as those who are disobedient to the gospel message will find themselves at judgment at the second death.

If one puts their faith in something other than the Lord then yes they are sinning, so I did not contradict myself or say something that is unbiblical.


Yes there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ, who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh. You can not drop the second half of the scripture off because a true born again faith based Christian will walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh.

 

[fredjames]

You don't understand what Paul is saying?

A few years ago my mother was diagnosed terminally ill. I loved her greatly. My wife and I went to look after her in her own home during her illness. During that time I lived closer to the biblical ideal than I have ever lived. I did not covet what was hers, I did not steal from her, bear false witness against her, want to murder her and I honoured her etc. And yet, I did not once have to even fleetingly think of any of the Ten Commandments to treat her this way. WHY NOT? Because I loved my mother dearly.

''Love fulfils the law''

According to the 'parable of the rich man', the rich man also responded like you, who obeyed the commandments also without thinking about them and boldly to JESUS, as you are testifying exactly the same to HIS believers of his words/teachings now. And the same respond JESUS gave to the 'rich man' is the same HE will give to you, that;

"One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor and you will have treasure in Heaven and come, follow me."

The words/teachings of JESUS in Gospels and the instruction of the Apostles actually fulfills the 'Law and the Prophets', not 'one's' interpretation while remain in carnal/flesh 'imperfection' and groomed in church traditions and doctrine of men, over the absents years of CHRIST who has left with the given HOLY BIBLE foundation and the gifts of the SPIRIT and the HOLY SPIRIT. These are generations of 'pick' and 'choose' from Scripture practicing 'legalist' and they ignorantly judge others who testify for CHRIST HIS given truth in context, as 'legalist'.

And in 'exposure' according to the foundation of Grace and Truth of the Gospel, they are to be considered as 'outsider 'illegalist', who testify an 'ill' faith doctrine of men and desperately need of a 'Spiritual Physician' like JESUS of the New Covenant who can 'heal and sanctify' 'spiritually ill' people by HIS 'every Word of GOD'.

But this is difficult on a 'heart harden' Pharisees of the New Covenant, able to put on a 'show' of love but have no guidance in context GOD's love in them, who is CHRIST of the New Covenant. Amazingly, 'for GOD all things are possible'. Meantime we may only be able to 'minister' these other things of CHRIST and 'pray' for them to 'mature' by adding/supplementing to their faith knowledge and etc.

 

[gotime]

Can you show me where it is stated the Christian has a righteousness before God apart from the law at the point of conversion, but not after?

The whole point being. Christ died to pay the penalty of your sin and to break the power of sin, and the power of sin is the penalty attached to the law if you break it.
If you say, once a person has been accepted by God through faith in his son, their continued salvation hinges on ceasing sin/observing the law, you then place them back under the penalty of sin, and therefore the power of sin

Sin is sin new, old, before, after. Sin is sin.

I just showed you where Paul said that it is the doers of the law that shall be justified. Paul does not separate Death and resurrection from salvation.

Jesus said you must be born of both water and Spirit to enter the Kingdom. not one or the other but both.

Salvation does not hing on ceasing sin/observing the law. It hinges on Faith in Jesus promise to come into you to give you a new heart to cleanse us form all unrighteousness. The result of faith in those promises is a person who ceases from sin/observing the law.

ceasing from sin is the fruit of faith in Jesus promises. But where there is not fruit there is no faith in Christ.

by their fruits you shall know them.

 

[fredjames]

See your not taking the time to read and hear what the bible is teaching? God desires love, not legalism.

Witness those who do not actually look themselves in the 'Spiritual mirror' of faith, which is the 'every Word that proceeded out of the mouth of GOD' written in the HOLY BIBLE, in full context and understand them as a whole and 'picture them' as GOD's given Covenant, given to HIS redeem people in order not to sin again and again and again, given as sound doctrine knowledge, for them from their given 'initial faith' by GOD, therefore add/supplement to their faith more, even in 'practice' to them.

They are 'ignorantly' those who pick and choose from HOLY BIBLE Scripture 'legalist', who want to teach and have control over others in 'lukewarm' human love, rather than be taught themselves first in full context AGAPE love, which is their over the years taught in church and through the doctrine of men, now giving us a 'cut short' 'twisted' 'Summarised Gospel Version', compiled from 'pick' and 'choose' Holy Scripture of the HOLY BIBLE, when it is already written and given and taught in full context to us by the HOLY SPIRIT, the sound doctrine knowledge of the Kingdom of GOD.

As it is written;

"Beware of the 'yeast' of the Pharisees."

"Get rid of that 'yeast' "

In order to learn and understand in 'full context', the 'instructions' and 'order' of 'love' of the Apostles to be 'practiced' in churches for one another, please first of all, 'learn' and 'understand' in 'full context' the four Gospels and called 'practices', all of them by the 'Help' of the HOLY SPIRIT, to compile them together 'picture them all in one full context'. To support these 'testimony' is actually from CHRIST, i give you also HIS given Holy Scripture quote that:

As it is written;

"All Scripture are breathed by GOD and is useful for 'Teaching', 'rebuking error', 'correcting faults' and 'training one in righteousness', so that a man of GOD is 'fully equipped' and 'fully trained' to do all kind Good deeds."

Does GOD's Word say that in 'All Scripture' one is to be 'conformed to' and are able to do all kind of Good deeds or 'pick' and 'choose' Scripture to 'suite', one is to be 'conformed to' and thus 'wallah', equals to 'Good deeds doing Christians in love'?

No point in continuing to 'limp on one leg' oh ye 'New Jerusalem of Sarah':

If JESUS is alone GOD who have given us the HOLY SPIRIT and GOD's New Covenant and reference to the Old, then listen and learn and know and be trained through in 'full context' from 'All Scripture knowledge' and faithfully serve HIM in doing all kind of HIS Good deeds by HIM.

And if the 'doctrine of JESUS and men compiled over the years' are God to you, then listen and learn and know and be trained through 'partial context' knowledge faithfully serve them in doing 'some kind of their good deeds by them'.

JESUS leaves you all with this saying of HIS, written in the Gospel that;

"You cannot be slaves to two Masters. You would love one and despise the other."

i say be blessed, rather than be deceived, in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

[fredjames]

if you understand grace, you will understand all fall short. so why look at a saviour in a way, that thinks our actions or deeds
merit anything. the problem with religion, taboos and dogmas it still looking at repentance, or good deeds, when paul said
Galatians 3: By Faith, or by Works of the Law?
1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?4 Did you suffer so many things in vain---if indeed it was in vain?5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith---6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"?Galatians 3


works of law or walking in faith to what god is telling you to do.

and later in gal 3 he said the law is a school teacher, what kind of school teacher is it. (the law)

and paul gos on to say, now jesus christ has come, is he the new school teacher, for the believers.
by giving the believer the holy spirit, he can talk or teach anyone 24/7 . etc etc

Apostle Paul is actually referring to the 'Law of Moses', on the issue of 'circumcision' practices under that Law of Moses, were introduced to the Galatians church believers, by the Jew imposters. And not at all, the spoken words/teachings of CHRIST written in the New Covenant of 'liberty' from that 'Law'.

Now who is the 'blind' you and your friends accuse of, when all of you are not excused yourselves as being 'shortsighted' to 'All Scripture' and being proud braggers, believing by 'picking' and 'choosing' Scripture conformed 'legalist', one know something but sadly 'nothing at all'. The New Covenant is written in whole that sums up Grace and Truth faith.

Yous have over the years, not add/supplement to yous faith, first 'virtue' and etc?

 

[michael56]

"One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor and you will have treasure in Heaven and come, follow me."

May I ask, have you thought of selling your phone, laptop that you use to come on cc and give the money to the poor. Then spend your time witnessing to real people out in the real world, and give them-the poor the money you save by doing so?
I apologise for saying this if you have an infirmity that makes you housebound. If not, should you not practise what you preach?
Or maybe you think God has commissioned you to come on the internet and spread your particular doctrine, and you who insist on agape love then come and say the things you do here.
You demand all the literal commands of Christ are obeyed, but fail to say whether you yourself obey them all.
You keep referring to the Pharisees. That was their hallmark, demanding of others what they failed to live up toin their own lives

 

[fredjames]

My answer is yes but my answer doesn't really mean anything. Christ's answer is this...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.[/QUOTE]

I will wait and see if you respond to my previous point made concerning your above emboldened quote.

So you believe a person must read the literal words of the Ten Commandments to know how God wants them to live? That would negate the fact the law you are required to keep is written on your mind and placed on your heart at the point of conversion when you are born again. One of the two core components of the new covenant.

The New Covenant words/teachings and commandments by CHRIST, is actually made out from these Two Commandments. And we all know what they are, and HE gave the same to HIS disciples.

If the 'Jews' or their 'proselyte' love and believe in the 'Law of Moses and the Prophets' of the Old Covenant, then 'keep' the Law and Prophet's given commandments and you will see CHRIST and enter through CHRIST into life, into HIS New Covenant 'liberation'.

And if the 'Christians' or their 'disciples' love and believe in the 'words/teachings of CHRIST and the Apostles' of the New Covenant, then 'keep' CHRIST and the Apostle's given commandments and you will have 'life' and may 'enter GOD's place of rest'.

Mat 19; 17, JESUS of Nazareth have not yet accomplished the 'Law and the Prophets' and so HE was actually living under them and telling other Jews who came after HIM according to the condition of their hearts that HE them all well, to 'keep' the commandments as well, as HE also told the rich man first, and so they would not be counted as sin and miss out on 'life'.

Were there a heart of repentance or a heart of 'cleverness' that we witness on these two incident, people towards JESUS?

And we have learned that JESUS have a character of respond towards especially 'hypocrites', that one may or may not understand what he is saying or responding to, And only in 'private' JESUS explains them to HIS disciples.

For it is written then that;

"HE has no regards for men."

And;

"HE will not let people get the best of HIM."

Meaning, HE most of the time and times answers the crowd in 'straight forwardness' 'sharper than any double-edged sword' words and also to individuals and even HIS disciples as well.