Must a Christian read the Ten Commandments to Know How God wants them to live?

[michael56]

As it is written:

"The blind leading the blind and soon they are going to fall into a ditch."

'Itching ears' and 'bullies' that are mentioned to young Timothy to be 'aware of' and 'not please them' and 'fight a Good fight', in his mentoring for Timothy to 'run' after him, who these will be in the church and Apostle Paul know them very well, for he already have encounter with them and yet in love 'tolerate' them until they repent themselves, the 'rascals' in the church who would want to 'practice' on their own, rather than 'practice' what is written and given as to them be the New Covenant of GOD.

These 'heart harden' adopted ones 'by Grace through faith', who were 'called' and accepted as children, think they know better than the FATHER about HIS 'AGAPE' knowledge and practices, who came in the 'physical form' through CHRIST JESUS of the New Covenant.

We rather listen to men rather than GOD's given Covenant, who is capable to speak on behalf of satan and a beginner or lame standard believer can be deceived. For example in the New Covenant, JESUS 'proclaims';

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As a 'man of GOD', i would only 'prophesy' what is written for 'building up' others in 'AGAPE' and draw them also in labor all closer to GOD and CHRIST and be ready to 'go home'. i would give only that was taught and given and practiced by the MASTER Himself in 'AGAPE' here on earth and those who 'believe' in HIM, may 'practice' day by day and by the 'Help' of the HOLY SPIRIT walk in HIS 'footsteps' and 'impart' the same Good onto others and get ready to return home.

Meantime there will in the church satan and his 'agents' in sheep clothing, even in 'high rankings'. For example it is written will be amongst;

"The 'blind leading the blind' ........................................."

"There will be 'wolves in sheep clothing' ...................................."

"Even satan disguises himself as an 'angel of Light' and it is not surprising that his servants disguises themselves as 'servants of righteousness'."

How to recognize them? They and their 'itching ears' followers will say things in contrary and in opposition to the given and taught HOLY BIBLE in 'context' which was 'inspired' and 'helped' by the HOLY SPIRIT.

Please take note of a 'blind' or a 'shortsighted' minister who is 'deceived' himself, deceive influences the 'weak' like him, a 'twisted' message from the 'origin' taught and given. For example true JESUS 'the author and finisher of our faith' say, 'does/practice HIS words/teachings' and this false minister in HIS absents say, 'impossible for man to achieve'.

And so, if i am another 'blind' or 'shortsighted', how would i accept this message and witness to others and also can we not distinguish who are they?

The saying of the minister from satan 'seed' is 'true' but they are said with a 'twist'. For example, 'it will be impossible for man to achieve if he doesn't listen to HIS MASTER's voice and do/practice them at all', even repeatedly reminded after HIM by HIS true servants'.

To 'expose' these 'false' minister and 'false' witnesses, as CHRIST in HIS words already said about them, as 'foolish builders'.

As it is written;

"And everyone who hears these words/teachings of mine and 'does not do/practice' them are liken onto a 'foolish builder' .........................................."

But these 'foxes' deny this saying of JESUS, that is 'clear' to 'everyone who witness they believe in HIM as the CHRIST of the New Covenant' and they are rather 'sleek' and love to quote other saying of JESUS to suite their 'itching ears' and totally 'murder' the 'written context truth', even love that of the minister's and boldly continue deceiving others as well.

Of course, maybe the minister who said the beatitudes set a standard impossible for man to obtain was being honest, and not seeking to try and impress his fellow men, as Paul said:

If I were still trying to please men I could not be a servant of Christ Gal1:10

Thank you for the examples of your agape love in your above post

 

[gotime]

God gave the 10 commandments to Israel and yet they were to be on their hearts just as it is now for us.

Deu 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Circumcision of the heart.

Some suggest that this is only new covenant being spoken of here but this is not the case as seen in the words spoken by God later in this chapter:

Deu 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
Deu 30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
Deu 30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;

notice it is given this day and He says "if thine heart turn away" it was heart religion not works. Ones heart can not turn away if it is not turned to in the first place.

but notice the words before it,

Deu 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not too hard for thee, neither is it far off.
Deu 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it?
Deu 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it?
Deu 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

notice the law with God has given God says is not to hard for them and where is it? in thy mouth and in thy heart. Present reality spoken by God.

By the way there is new covenant taught here in the first place also.

Deu 30:6 And Jehovah thy God will circumcise thy heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love Jehovah thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

This indeed is a new covenant promise, however we have seen already that the law/commandments of God were in their heart also. But notice the words that many neglect to show in this new covenant promise.

Deu 30:7 And Jehovah thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, that persecuted thee.
Deu 30:8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of Jehovah, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.

wow the New covenant promise includes the commandments which God commanded them "this day" so the law written on the heart is not a new law or a different law but the same law that God gave the Jews.

Remember righteousness by faith was instituted well before the law was given and the law is not against the promises.

Rom 4:9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness.
Rom 4:10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision:
Rom 4:11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision; that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them;

so then Abraham is the Father of those who believe Yet even Abraham was circumcised but it was not works but a seal of the righteousness by faith.

and again:
Rom 4:16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

Faith even for those who had the law. Same Faith friends. that is why the Jews failed not because it could not be kept but because they did not enter faith.

 

[gotime]

Did Old covenant holiness come from works of the law?

Short answer: no.

Lev 20:7 Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy; for I am Jehovah your God.

Now this might seem like a command for them to make themselves Holy but the next verse shows how they are made Holy.

Lev 20:8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am Jehovah who sanctifieth you.

Sanctify means to make Holy. So why does God command them to sanctify themselves when He is the one who does it?

Because when we by faith accept the command/word of God Faith unlocks the working of God in you.

In fact the greatest lesson on this taught to the People of Israel came before the law was given:

Exo 16:4 Then said Jehovah unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a day's portion every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or not.

God tested them with the Sabbath, and how did the Sabbath teach that God was the one who did the work?

GOd gave manna every day for their food, but on the Friday they had to gather twice as much and God would make it last for the Sabbath thus teaching them that God provided all their needs and they were to rest in His provision. This had to be done by faith in His promise that the food would not rot as it did the days before if they kept any over.

This was a lesson taught them for 40 years. But the lesson continued ever week on the 7th day as it is written:

Eze 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am Jehovah that sanctifieth them.

The Sabbath was a mark that God was the one who made them Holy. It was a weekly humbling reminder that they had not made themselves holy but it was the work of God.

holiness/righteousness came from God in the Old Covenant not by works.

 

[michael56]

And if we are careful to obey all this law before the Lord our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.”
Deut 6:25

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness unto everyone who believeth Rom 10:4

 

[michael56]

Circumcise your hearts, therefore, and do not be stiff-necked any longer. Duet 10:16

The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live. Deut 30:6(speaking of the new covenant)

 

[michael56]

and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God. rom 2:29

 

[michael56]

Sin is sin new, old, before, after. Sin is sin.

I just showed you where Paul said that it is the doers of the law that shall be justified. Paul does not separate Death and resurrection from salvation.

Jesus said you must be born of both water and Spirit to enter the Kingdom. not one or the other but both.

Salvation does not hing on ceasing sin/observing the law. It hinges on Faith in Jesus promise to come into you to give you a new heart to cleanse us form all unrighteousness. The result of faith in those promises is a person who ceases from sin/observing the law.

ceasing from sin is the fruit of faith in Jesus promises. But where there is not fruit there is no faith in Christ.

by their fruits you shall know them.

Please show me any person in the bible who claimed to be perfect in the flesh-apart from Christ

 

[gotime]

Was salvation only for the Jews in the Old Covenant?

no.

Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be mine own possession from among all peoples: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Exo 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and set before them all these words which Jehovah commanded him.

The Levits were priests to the people of Israel so who then was Israel priest to? that's right the world.

Look t the promise to Abraham:

Gen 12:3 and I will bless them that bless thee, and him that curseth thee will I curse: and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

all families of the earth not just Jews.

Gen 28:14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south. And in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

not Only Abraham but also His seed which includes both the nation of Israel and the Gentile converts who are all the seed of Abraham.


Psa 67:1 For the Chief Musician; on stringed instruments. A Psalm, a Song. God be merciful unto us, and bless us, And cause his face to shine upon us; Selah.
Psa 67:2 That thy way may be known upon earth, Thy salvation among all nations.

The salvation was to be made known to all nations.

Even the Sabbath commandment itself says:

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

The stranger was included.

Exo 12:19 Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land.

The stranger could be cut off. how can you be cut off if you are not first part of? but notice right at the beginning when God is calling out a people:

Exo 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

To be considered part of Israel, born as one of them.

and again:

Lev 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
Lev 19:34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

The good news was never just for one nation, Israel was to do just as the christian is to do, love and proclaim the goodness of the Lord.

 

[gotime]

Circumcise your hearts, therefore, and do not be stiff-necked any longer. Duet 10:16

The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live. Deut 30:6(speaking of the new covenant)

I don't think you actually read my post did you?

this new covenant you speak of is this:

Deu 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Deu 30:7 And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.
Deu 30:8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.

Apparently the New covenant had to do the the commandments He commanded them "this day" same commandments.

As for your first quote of Deut 10:16.

It is a command of God but as shown in another post when God commands He supplies:

Lev 20:7 Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.

This is God telling them to sanctify themselves but who actually does it?

Lev 20:8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.

God does, so simply quoting a command does not prove your point, God is the one who circumcises the heart if we by faith move on the command.

You know this is correct as I have just given example but how about new testament ones.

Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

shall we now deduce from this text alone that the woman was to sin no more in her own power? God forbid.

Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Shall we deduce from this that it is our Job to make ourselves perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect? no of course not.

So it is with the command to "circumcise your hearts" God gave the command but it was God who preformed the command in those who reacted by faith.

 

[michael56]

I don't think you actually read my post did you?

this new covenant you speak of is this:

Deu 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Deu 30:7 And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.
Deu 30:8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.

Apparently the New covenant had to do the the commandments He commanded them "this day" same commandments.

As for your first quote of Deut 10:16.

It is a command of God but as shown in another post when God commands He supplies:

Lev 20:7 Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.

This is God telling them to sanctify themselves but who actually does it?

Lev 20:8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.

God does, so simply quoting a command does not prove your point, God is the one who circumcises the heart if we by faith move on the command.

You know this is correct as I have just given example but how about new testament ones.

Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

shall we now deduce from this text alone that the woman was to sin no more in her own power? God forbid.

Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Shall we deduce from this that it is our Job to make ourselves perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect? no of course not.

So it is with the command to "circumcise your hearts" God gave the command but it was God who preformed the command in those who reacted by faith.

Yes I read your post. The fact remains, the plain word tells us Moses told the people to circumcise their hearts, but under the new covenant God would circumcise the heart.
You say it is the same laws under both covenants that must be obeyed. Do you believe that is the same for Jew and Gentile? Only the leaders of the Jerusalem church differentiated as you are aware between the two (Acts 15 & Acts 21)

 

[fredjames]

Love is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. Do you believe Hitler displayed the fruits of the Holy Spirit?

Therefore Hitler do not have the HOLY SPIRIT, he do not know love and practice love?

Since the world do not have the HOLY SPIRIT, therefore they do not know love nor practice them.

Nonbelievers love nonbelievers even better than the Christians love Christians. And Christians love nonbelievers better than Christians love Christians.

Any Christian can say that the fruit of the HOLY SPIRIT is love. What is the 'sound doctrine knowledge of the Kingdom of GOD about them all through CHRIST and the HOLY SPIRIT of the New Covenant? First of all, What is the proof founded on?

There are even a lot of deceiving 'elemental spirits' in this world and have 'power' to deceive others who are in knowledge and practice weak in the name of 'love'. It is written that;

"Even satan disguises himself as an angel of 'Light' (angel of CHRIST) and it is not surprising that his servants (believers or nonbelievers) disguises themselves as servants of righteousness."

You boldly speak about the HOLY SPIRIT, how do you know you have the 'right' spirit, when the 'disguises' are plenty. Even carnal/flesh it's 'passions' and 'desires' is another disguise of love in the 'spirit', also practiced by the world and also by a Christian using the word called 'love' and with the gifts of HOLY SPIRIT. But when you put them to test the fruits of the carnal/flesh all of a sudden 'burst out'.

Then please answer me about all the HOLY SPIRIT's sent duties for and in a believer live, according to the written New Covenant and also with Scripture quote.

Even the disciples were 'baffle' when JESUS said that; "One of you will betray Me." Until that person kissed HIM in HIS cheek and got HIM arrested, and then others knew who the betrayer was.

Without the knowledge and defination of AGAPE, one practices love hypocritically like the world.

 

[gotime]

And if we are careful to obey all this law before the Lord our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.”
Deut 6:25

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness unto everyone who believeth Rom 10:4

This again is based of the same misunderstanding as the last post I replied to you. It is clear that it was God who changed their hearts who made them holy so their obedience was really the work of God in them and His work if they accepted by faith would end in obedience which is Gods righteousness.

David under the Old Covenant understood this truth:

Psa 119:40 Behold, I have longed after thy precepts: quicken me in thy righteousness.

Psa 119:144 The righteousness of thy testimonies is everlasting: give me understanding, and I shall live.

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

John spoke it this way:

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Does John then suppose that we are the ones that does righteousness?

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Does John mean that the one who does righteousness/ contextually obeys the law of God. Is righteous by His own ability?

No God forbid it is Christ working in us just as it was for the Jews.

For even righteousness was by faith back in Noah's day:

Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

So do you suggest that God changed it from faith to works and then back to faith again? IS God different today than He was with Israel?

Paul teaches to look to the Old testament to understand what righteousness is:
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

what then of Paul saying end of the law unto righteousness?



But lets address your actual verse:

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Lets examine the context:

Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

notice where Paul is quoting from:

Lev 18:4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.
Lev 18:5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.

Particularly you will notice that Leviticus primarily deals with the priesthood and the sacrificial system.

Which Paul say of this system:

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Notice the righteousness that is by faith and where does Paul quote from:

Deu 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deu 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

The very promise made to the Jews at that time.

For even in the new covenant those who do righteousness are righteous but it is not by their efforts but By Christ working in us.

 

[michael56]

how do you know you have the 'right' spirit, when the 'disguises' are plenty. Even carnal/flesh it's 'passions' and 'desires' is another disguise of love in the 'spirit', also practiced by the world and also by a Christian using the word called 'love' and with the gifts of HOLY SPIRIT. But when you put them to test the fruits of the carnal/flesh all of a sudden 'burst out'.

I could ask you the same question.

However, the Holy Spirit reveals truth doesn't he?

So please tell me why Paul states the following, what does he mean?
For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[SUP][a][/SUP] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death Rom 7:5

Paul is speaking in the above of a person living under a law of righteousness. Why does he state that the law arouses sinful passions in a person when they live under a law of righteousness?

It is one thing to quote the literal letter, let us expand on it

 

[gotime]

Yes I read your post. The fact remains, the plain word tells us Moses told the people to circumcise their hearts, but under the new covenant God would circumcise the heart.
You say it is the same laws under both covenants that must be obeyed. Do you believe that is the same for Jew and Gentile? Only the leaders of the Jerusalem church differentiated as you are aware between the two (Acts 15 & Acts 21)

Brother you may have read my post but you have clearly not understood it as you are saying the same thing again that is not right.

I showed you that the command to circumcise their hearts did not mean it was their Job.

And I have showed you that the new covenant you state in Duet says that it is the commands God gave them.

Do you make yourself Perfect because Jesus said to be perfect that is a command?

Do you make yourself Holy?

Because they are commanded in the New covenant. I know your answer is no, God makes you holy and perfect in Christ.

The answer is the same for God saying circumcise your heart.

 

[michael56]

This again is based of the same misunderstanding as the last post I replied to you. It is clear that it was God who changed their hearts who made them holy so their obedience was really the work of God in them and His work if they accepted by faith would end in obedience which is Gods righteousness.

David under the Old Covenant understood this truth:

Psa 119:40 Behold, I have longed after thy precepts: quicken me in thy righteousness.

Psa 119:144 The righteousness of thy testimonies is everlasting: give me understanding, and I shall live.

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

John spoke it this way:

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Does John then suppose that we are the ones that does righteousness?

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Does John mean that the one who does righteousness/ contextually obeys the law of God. Is righteous by His own ability?

No God forbid it is Christ working in us just as it was for the Jews.

For even righteousness was by faith back in Noah's day:

Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

So do you suggest that God changed it from faith to works and then back to faith again? IS God different today than He was with Israel?

Paul teaches to look to the Old testament to understand what righteousness is:
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

what then of Paul saying end of the law unto righteousness?



But lets address your actual verse:

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Lets examine the context:

Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

notice where Paul is quoting from:

Lev 18:4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.
Lev 18:5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.

Particularly you will notice that Leviticus primarily deals with the priesthood and the sacrificial system.

Which Paul say of this system:

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Notice the righteousness that is by faith and where does Paul quote from:

Deu 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deu 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

The very promise made to the Jews at that time.

For even in the new covenant those who do righteousness are righteous but it is not by their efforts but By Christ working in us.

The bible is a big book, the theologically minded would not find it so hard to use verses to reason plain scripture is wrong. I quoted the plain scripture to you, that is what interests me, I do not mean that to be offensive in any way.

King David said no one living was righteous before God, for he knew none perfectly obeyed the law

 

[michael56]

Brother you may have read my post but you have clearly not understood it as you are saying the same thing again that is not right.

I showed you that the command to circumcise their hearts did not mean it was their Job.

And I have showed you that the new covenant you state in Duet says that it is the commands God gave them.

Do you make yourself Perfect because Jesus said to be perfect that is a command?

Do you make yourself Holy?

Because they are commanded in the New covenant. I know your answer is no, God makes you holy and perfect in Christ.

The answer is the same for God saying circumcise your heart.

Once again, it is your reasoning as opposed to the plain word, I accept the plain word. I believe it.

 

[gotime]

Once again, it is your reasoning as opposed to the plain word, I accept the plain word. I believe it.

No I am sorry but you do not.

I showed you from the word your error.

here again:

Lev 20:7 Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.

If I use this verse the way you do then I would assume that it was they who had to sanctify themselves. but the very next verse says otherwise.

Lev 20:8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.

It is God who sanctified them.

Then I showed you commands form the new testament that say be holy and be perfect and you don't say its our job do you?

So then you now pick one verse and try to make something of it that is not there.

and you ignore the facts of the word:

Here is the word once again for you:

Deu 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Deu 30:7 And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.
Deu 30:8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.

 

[michael56]

No I am sorry but you do not.

I showed you from the word your error.

here again:

Lev 20:7 Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.

If I use this verse the way you do then I would assume that it was they who had to sanctify themselves. but the very next verse says otherwise.

Lev 20:8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.

It is God who sanctified them.

Then I showed you commands form the new testament that say be holy and be perfect and you don't say its our job do you?

So then you now pick one verse and try to make something of it that is not there.

and you ignore the facts of the word:

Here is the word once again for you:

Deu 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Deu 30:7 And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.
Deu 30:8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.

Gi time throughout Paul's letters he insists to people they have no righteousness of obedience to the law, they cannot earn their way to Heaven, get there by their own effort and strength, why?

Why did Paul state the first covenant led to death, why did Isaiah say the following:

Your covenant with death will be annulled;
your agreement with the realm of the dead will not stand. Isaiah 28:18

Let us simply agree to disagree, we have discussed this subject much

 

[michael56]

[SUP] [/SUP]Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, [SUP]8 [/SUP]will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? [SUP]9 [/SUP]If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! [SUP]10 [/SUP]For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts![SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. [SUP]13 [/SUP]We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. [SUP]18 [/SUP]And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate[SUP][a][/SUP] the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. 2Co3:7-18

 

[gotime]

Gi time throughout Paul's letters he insists to people they have no righteousness of obedience to the law, they cannot earn their way to Heaven, get there by their own effort and strength, why?

Why did Paul state the first covenant led to death, why did Isaiah say the following:

Your covenant with death will be annulled;
your agreement with the realm of the dead will not stand. Isaiah 28:18

Let us simply agree to disagree, we have discussed this subject much

Sometimes I think we are talking about two different things.

The law lead to death because it condemned sinners of which we are all sinners.

It could not save because animals can not forgive sins, but Jesus does.

IF a Jew kept the law perfectly they would still need Jesus, because one only needs to have sinned once to need forgiveness and all have sinned. and the sacrifices of the law could not wipe away sins.

Righteousness comes through Jesus very true. But if a Jew had obeyed perfectly the law by faith which God himself said was not too hard. Then their faith would be accounted unto them as righteousness through the death of Jesus Christ. Ratified at His death.

I am not suggesting that the law saved then or now. it has always been by faith in Christ.

But the same what a Jew kept the law is the same way we do:

Jews could only keep the 10 commandments by faith or else they would fail. It was God who made them holy who sanctified them. That promise was in the Old Covenant.

The Jew could only be forgiven their sins by faith when they took part in animal sacrifice knowing that the messiah was to come. and this was ratified at the cross.

We can keep the 10 commandments only by faith in Christ in us.

we can only be forgiven by faith in the blood of Jesus.

Both are by faith and both could be kept by faith. and both are made real in Christ.