Michael56 you said "Here is the problem the sda church cannot face, for to them, they are defined according to worshipping on a Saturday. Keeping Saturday Sabbath is not a law that has been written on my mind or placed on my heart. If it was I MUST be convicted I am sinning by7 not observing it, there is no way round that. Therefore, do you believe the Holy Spirit writes different laws on different Gentiles hearts at the point of conversion? Or do you believe only those who observe Saturday Sabbath are saved? "
I Don't agree here, I don't believe that having the law on our hearts and minds is a literal writing of the law so that we suddenly are convicted of right and wrong. If that were the case then we would not need scripture any longer after conversion we would simply know what is right and wrong.
The Scriptures constantly point us to the word to test truth and the spirits. This also would not be necessary if we simply knew right and wrong. For example: are there not Christians who still think stealing is ok? are there not Christians who think its ok to hate your enemy? how then would you show them they are wrong? would it not be by the word?
No one would take it from you if you simply said well I have the law on my heart and it says love your enemies. So then the word is the true test of true faith. without the word there would be mayhem in Christianity because so many Christians have different versions of what is right and what is wrong. what is sin and what is not.
SO again I conclude that without the written word there is not true standard to measure what is right and what is Wrong. Those who have the law on their heart do so by the word of God.
For example: part of the law is the sacrificial system. So we know Jesus is our sacrifice, how do we know? by the word of God.
So then do we now go up to people and say Just ask for the Holy Spirit to write the law on your heart and you will know how salvation works without reading the bible or hearing about the sacrifice of Jesus?
No they must go to the word of God. IN Fact the Spirit leads us into all truth:
Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
The word is truth and the comforter does what?
Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
So the Spirit convicts by the word, thus we do need the letter in order to have true conviction and that is why we can test the fruit of a person by the word of God. Those who have the law on their heart will line up with the word of God.
as it is written:
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
So then by the word is the knowledge and standard of truth.
Now the Sabbath question, To some degree I think you just have not thought it through, you yourself have stated as many here have that the law shows sin, that law/10 commandments says it is sin to break the 7th day Sabbath.
So then by your own admission to not keep the Sabbath is sin. but then many will say but its the spiritual application not the physical. Other than the fact that there is no scripture anywhere that teaches such things.
Well lets do that with the other nine shall we, I can kill physically but not spiritually? Does not make scene does it.
But lets examine the Sabbath from Jesus perspective:
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Who was the Sabbath made for? Mankind, not Jews but all mankind.
Ok when was it made?
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
After the six days of creation.
When you put these two verses together they tell us something without every having to look at the commandments.
Jesus told us that He made the Sabbath: Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
and He made it for mankind: Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
So From the mouth of Jesus we learn that He is the Lord of the Sabbath and He made it for all of us. So it is a gift from God given to us.
So by simply going to where He made it we learn a special truth about this Sabbath made for us:
as we saw it was made at then end of creations 6 days. It was a literal day namely the 7th day and God set that literal day aside and made it Holy. He blessed the literal Day.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Now tell me who was creation for? Did He not give it all to Adam to have dominion over? Yes indeed. so then was the Sabbath any different? no Jesus told us it was made for man.
It was a gift to mankind right from the beginning before sin had entered this world. it was part of Gods perfect plan.
So we see from these two verses alone instigated by Jesus himself that the literal 7th day was blessed and made holy set apart from all other days by God as a gift to mankind.
So tell me why do many reject a gift of God?
