Must a Christian read the Ten Commandments to Know How God wants them to live?

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kennethcadwell

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Mitspa said:
Look ...the bible is the truth...not what you make-up.. That's heresy Kenneth!

Now what law is Paul speaking of here?

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
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Plus how many times do we have to go over 2 Corinthians 3:7 ?
The written form of the 10 commandments were given ordinances for breaking them within the Mosaic laws, and they showed us our sin so that it lead to death for not being able to by ourselves to uphold these standards.

Under the new covenant we are not by ourselves, we have the Holy Spirit and God's morals to not steal, kill, lie, and so on written in out heart and on our mind. And with the Holy Spirits guidance nothing is impossible, for with God all things are possible. Yet you seem to still want to put limitations and interject double talk into His working in us. Either you uphold the commandments through love with the Holy Spirit's guidance, or you break (transgress) every single one of them without repentance and are spiritual dead. You can not have it both ways !!!
 
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The problem here is the false assumption that keeping the commandments is a bad thing and that anyone who does is trying to be Justified by them.
 
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But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself Heb9:26
 
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Mitspa

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Many are blinded to the truth, and many in their heart want a righteousness of their own before God. The latter are in the most trouble in my view
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Well today they have heard the truth....:)


Mt 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
 
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gotime said:
The problem here is the false assumption that keeping the commandments is a bad thing and that anyone who does is trying to be Justified by them.
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Legalism is not keeping anything! its hypocrisy ...faith and love is obedience

you don't keep the law!
 
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michael56

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Well today they have heard the truth....:)


Mt 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
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Yes they insisted the law be fully kept, they gave every OUTWARD appearance of faultlessly keeping it themselves, yet they could not practise what they preached(Matt23:3) They could not obey the law relating to the inner man, the law only they and God need know if they broke. Do you think that could still happen today?
 
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Plus how many times do we have to go over 2 Corinthians 3:7 ?
The written form of the 10 commandments were given ordinances for breaking them within the Mosaic laws, and they showed us our sin so that it lead to death for not being able to by ourselves to uphold these standards.

Under the new covenant we are not by ourselves, we have the Holy Spirit and God's morals to not steal, kill, lie, and so on written in out heart and on our mind. And with the Holy Spirits guidance nothing is impossible, for with God all things are possible. Yet you seem to still want to put limitations and interject double talk into His working in us. Either you uphold the commandments through love with the Holy Spirit's guidance, or you break (transgress) every single one of them without repentance and are spiritual dead. You can not have it both ways !!!
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Yes its the law that Paul is talking about..."passed away" ministry of death and condemnation.... the "moral law" you seem to think is not the subject of what Paul is speaking of when He says your not under the law?

and again you want to mix true obedience in the Spirit with legalism...which is very different!

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

2Co 3:6 ¶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
 
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gotime said:
The problem here is the false assumption that keeping the commandments is a bad thing and that anyone who does is trying to be Justified by them.
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No truly born again Christian can believe that living a life in line with the law placed on their heart and written on their mind is a bad thing
 
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kennethcadwell

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gotime said:
The problem here is the false assumption that keeping the commandments is a bad thing and that anyone who does is trying to be Justified by them.
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This place takes the cake.
I have gone to many different churches, have talked to many different believers, and even read many different reference materials from many of different biblical scholars and teachers. It was not tell I got on this site that I heard this false teaching of throwing the 10 commandments away, and/or that love does not uphold them. I guess the 1,000's of people I have read and talked to were all false teachers.....I don't think so !!!
 
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Yes its the law that Paul is talking about..."passed away" ministry of death and condemnation.... the "moral law" you seem to think is not the subject of what Paul is speaking of when He says your not under the law?

and again you want to mix true obedience in the Spirit with legalism...which is very different!

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

2Co 3:6 ¶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
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Legalism is death...faith and love is life!
 
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Mitspa said:
Legalism is not keeping anything! its hypocrisy ...faith and love is obedience

you don't keep the law!
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With all due respect you have no idea what I do or don't do.
 
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michael56 said:
No truly born again Christian can believe that living a life in line with the law placed on their heart and written on their mind is a bad thing
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I will stick with what the bible says born again is and means.
 
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Mitspa said:
Yes its the law that Paul is talking about..."passed away" ministry of death and condemnation.... the "moral law" you seem to think is not the subject of what Paul is speaking of when He says your not under the law?

and again you want to mix true obedience in the Spirit with legalism...which is very different!

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

2Co 3:6 ¶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
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Paul can not be talking about the moral aspect of the law like I keep bringing up because in other places like Romans 13:9 he shows that love upholds the 10 moral commandments of God.
 
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So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[SUP][a][/SUP] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Rom 7:4-6

Paul then goes onto give a personal example from his own life as to why he had to die to the law, note the example he gives:

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet(one of the ten commandments).[SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Rom 7:7-11


But if you are simply trying to win an argument(follow after the flesh) you will not accept it
 
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kennethcadwell said:
This place takes the cake.
I have gone to many different churches, have talked to many different believers, and even read many different reference materials from many of different biblical scholars and teachers. It was not tell I got on this site that I heard this false teaching of throwing the 10 commandments away, and/or that love does not uphold them. I guess the 1,000's of people I have read and talked to were all false teachers.....I don't think so !!!
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Are you really so dishonest as to suggest this?
 
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Legalism is death...faith and love is life!
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Get your facts straight we are not legalist because we are preaching on how love upholds the moral laws of God based within the 10 commandments just like Paul taught and showed.

Legalist want to be justified by the law and teach we have to keep all 613 written ordinances. We teach no such thing, as justification comes form Christ, and through Him and love we would uphold the morals. This and like the scriptures say we will be zealous about good works. Meaning a true born again believer will push and defend the usage of good works in our faith.
 
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kennethcadwell said:
Paul can not be talking about the moral aspect of the law like I keep bringing up because in other places like Romans 13:9 he shows that love upholds the 10 moral commandments of God.
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He uses the law as a witness to love...he is teaching love, not legalism ..he is teaching against legalism!

2Co 3:6 ¶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
 
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Mitspa said:
Are you really so dishonest as to suggest this?
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I have found, when people are losing debates, their statements tend to get more wild and exaggerated. Often, maligning the individual is considered their best chance of deflecting away from the position they find themselves in
 
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All I know is when I entered faith in what Jesus had done on the cross and in His resurrection, Suddenly the way I thought changed and sin became hateful to me. but not only that but I found Grace that changed me so that I was able to obey my God.

Sins that used to hold me back now fell like chaff and I no longer gave into their temptation. suddenly there was no more up and down experience. no falling in and out of the same sins any more.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Mitspa said:
Are you really so dishonest as to suggest this?
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That is not being dishonest Mitspa, every teacher I have come across of the word until here did not do away with the 10 commandments. Nor did they preach that love does not uphold them. They all taught they do uphold them, and Paul clearly says the same.
 
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