Legalism empowers DEMONS in your life!

[Jeff_56]

simple. ignore the spammer. he hasn't learned from anyone the last few weeks, and cannot grasp the meaning of english in or out of scripture.

Psalm 19:8-10Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)


[SUP]8 [/SUP][SUP](7) [/SUP]The Torah of Adonai is perfect,
restoring the inner person.
The instruction of Adonai is sure,
making wise the thoughtless.
[SUP]9 [/SUP][SUP](8) [/SUP]The precepts of Adonai are right,
rejoicing the heart.
The mitzvah of Adonai is pure,
enlightening the eyes.
[SUP]10 [/SUP][SUP](9) [/SUP]The fear of Adonai is clean,
enduring forever.
The rulings of Adonai are true,
they are righteous altogether,



Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) Copyright © 1998 by David H. Stern. All rights reserved.

 

[Mitspa]

Joh 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.


1Ti 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

 

[sparty-g]

I have already showed you in the clear reading of the text that for the believer in Christ this is a biblical (spiritual) fact!

Do you have anything else?

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Oh, I always have more, and thanks for putting up with me on what is a terribly snowy day.

I do not believe you have clearly demonstrated this is a Biblical, spiritual fact. Where are there any other verses on the subject of heaven and earth that present heaven and earth have passed spiritually? And we can't just pull in any random verse on legalism, spiritual things, etc. For you to be correct, the verse needs to be talking about heaven and earth, and present that they have already passed spiritually. If not, you may be just connecting dots that don't connect.

Here are the other places heaven and earth are mentioned:

Isaiah 65: The context is the end times and final judgment. Most Biblical commentators agree these chapters are about the last days.

2 Peter 3: The entire context is the last days. He says the present heaven and earth are being kept in store for the day of judgment. He says the day of the Lord will come with a thief and the present heaven and earth will be burned up. He says to look forward to the new heaven and earth. There is no mention of a "spiritual" new heaven and earth being present now but explicitly refers to a coming day.

Rev. 21: This is clearly about the last days. New Jerusalem. Wedding feast of the Lamb. No more death, pain, suffering, or tears. God living with His children. The wicked in the lake of fire (the second death). Again, no mention of a "spiritual" new heaven and earth but explicit reference to the culmination of God's redemption plan at the end of days.

Am I missing passages that talk about heaven and earth having passed spiritually? And if these other obvious references (Isaiah, Peter, Revelation) are all talking about a future event that hasn't yet occurred, why would we single out the Messiah's message as the one time someone is talking about it as having spiritually occurred? That suits your theory but isn't consistent.

 

[Mitspa]

Oh, I always have more, and thanks for putting up with me on what is a terribly snowy day.

I do not believe you have clearly demonstrated this is a Biblical, spiritual fact. Where are there any other verses on the subject of heaven and earth that present heaven and earth have passed spiritually? And we can't just pull in any random verse on legalism, spiritual things, etc. For you to be correct, the verse needs to be talking about heaven and earth, and present that they have already passed spiritually. If not, you may be just connecting dots that don't connect.

Here are the other places heaven and earth are mentioned:

Isaiah 65: The context is the end times and final judgment. Most Biblical commentators agree these chapters are about the last days.

2 Peter 3: The entire context is the last days. He says the present heaven and earth are being kept in store for the day of judgment. He says the day of the Lord will come with a thief and the present heaven and earth will be burned up. He says to look forward to the new heaven and earth. There is no mention of a "spiritual" new heaven and earth being present now but explicitly refers to a coming day.

Rev. 21: This is clearly about the last days. New Jerusalem. Wedding feast of the Lamb. No more death, pain, suffering, or tears. God living with His children. The wicked in the lake of fire (the second death). Again, no mention of a "spiritual" new heaven and earth but explicit reference to the culmination of God's redemption plan.

Am I missing passages that talk about heaven and earth having passed spiritually? And if these other obvious references (Isaiah, Peter, Revelation) are all talking about a future event that hasn't yet occurred, why would we single out the Messiah's message as the one time someone is talking about it as having spiritually occurred? That suits your theory but isn't consistent.

How about this....to show that a believer in Christ has already been delivered from this present evil world?

Ga 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

 

[sparty-g]

How about this....to show that a believer in Christ has already been delivered from this present evil world?

Ga 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

I understand the case you're presenting. When we become believers, we are delivered from the present evil of this world, God raises us up to heavenly places in the Messiah, and it's as if spiritually heaven and earth have passed away. I've seen this case being made before. But I don't agree that this is what the Messiah was talking about. I'll expand on this soon...

But let me first ask a clarifying question: When do or did heaven and earth spiritually pass away? Did heaven and earth spiritually pass away at the cross? Or does it happen when someone comes to faith in the Messiah? You said you're presenting these verses to show that a "believer in Christ has already been delivered from this present evil world," so I'm guessing you believe it happens when someone comes to faith. Is this correct?

I only ask because others who have presented this case say that the Messiah was referring to the cross as the moment when heaven and earth spiritually passed away.

 

[VCO]

no that's what it clearly says!

2 Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

THERE IS THE SUBJECT that the "old things are passed away" refers to. You cannot even read the entire context of ONE VERSE. You appear to ONLY be trying to make Scripture say what agrees with your False Doctrines.

Romans 10:4 (ISV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For Christ is the culmination of the Law as far as righteousness is concerned for everyone who believes.

HIS sacrifice was the ONCE FOR ALL SACRIFICE that replaced the NEED for sacrifices of animals to cover sin. THAT IS ALL THAT ENDED. The LAW never was intended to be a way to make oneself righteous in the the sight of GOD. IT's purpose has ALWAYS been to make people aware of how utterly sinful they are, and how desperately they NEED a Savior. That purpose will be ongoing until the Earth and it's Atmosphere passes away.

10:4 Christ is the end of the law.

Although the Greek word translated “end” can mean either “fulfillment” or “termination,” this is not a reference to Christ’s having perfectly fulfilled the law through His teaching (Matt. 5:17, 18) or through His sinless life (2 Cor. 5:21). Instead, as the second half of the verse shows, Paul means that belief in Christ as Lord and Savior ends the sinner’s futile quest for righteousness through his imperfect attempts to save himself by efforts to obey the law (cf. 3:20-22; Isa. 64:6; Col. 2:13, 14).

The MacArthur Bible Commentary.

And receiving HIM as LORD means you are willingly submitting to HIM as Master, obeying HIS commandments. WE OBEY because we LOVE HIM, not to try to save ourselves.

Romans 3:20 (ASV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for through the law cometh the knowledge of sin.

THAT IS THE PURPOSE THAT WILL ALWAYS BE RELEVANT, until AFTER Judgement Day.

1 John 1:9 (ASV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


Confess is in the Greek perfect tense, which implies an ongoing lifestyle characteristic of confessing each new sin. SO how do you expect to KNOW WHAT ALL GOD CONSIDERS SIN, if you refuse to study the LAW. SURPRISE, you have to know what is sin, before you can continually Confess each new sin you find in your life.

 

[michael56]

SO how do you expect to KNOW WHAT ALL GOD CONSIDERS SIN, if you refuse to study the LAW. SURPRISE, you have to know what is sin, before you can continually Confess each new sin you find in your life.

Sin is transgression of the law. The law God desires you to keep is placed on your heart and written on your mind. You do not therefore need to study the law to know what sin is in God's sight, for you instinctively know in your mind what God considers sin, and you have heartfelt conviction you sin when you break that law. I do not recognise myself, studying to know what God considers sin, the law has been transferred under the new covenant from an external law, to an internal law written on tablets of human hearts. It is not an academic exercise

 

[WheresEnoch]

1. Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you (Matt. 5:44).
2. Resist not evil: if a man smite thee on one cheek, turn to him the other also (Matt. 5:30-40).
3. Avenge not yourselves: rather give place unto wrath: and suffer yourselves to be defrauded (Rom. 12:18, 19).
4. If a man take away thy goods, ask them not again (Luke 6:29, 30).
5. Agree with your adversary quickly, submitting even to wrong for the sake of peace (Matt. 5:25; 1 Cor. 6:7).
6. Labor not to be rich: be ready to every good work, give to those who ask; relieve the afflicted (1 Tim. 6:8; Rom. 12:13; Heb. 13:16; James 1:27).
7. Do not your alms before men: Let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth (Matt. 6:1-4).
8. Recompense to no man evil for evil: overcome evil with good (Rom. 12:17).
9. Bless them that curse you; let no cursing come out of your mouth (Matt. 5:44; Rom. 12:14).
10. Render not evil for evil, or railing for railing, but contrariwise, blessing (1 Pet. 3:9).
11. Pray for them that despitefully use you and afflict you (Matt. 5:44).
12. Grudge not: judge not: complain not: condemn not (James 5:9; Matt. 7:1).
13. Put away anger, wrath, bitterness, and all evil speaking (Eph. 4:31; 1 Pet. 2:1).
14. Confess your faults one to another (James 5:16).
15. Be not conformed to this world: love not the world (Rom. 12:2; 1 John 2:15).
16. Deny all ungodliness and worldly lusts. If thy right hand offend thee, cut it off (Titus 2:13; Matt. 5:30).
17. Servants, be faithful, even to bad masters (Eph. 6:5-8).
18. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate (Rom. 12:16).
19. Owe no man anything (Rom. 13:7,8).
20. In case of sin (known or heard of) speak not of it to others, but tell the offending brother of the matter between thee and him alone, with a view to recovery (Matt. 18:15; Gal. 6:1).
21. Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart (Matt. 22:37).
22. Pray always; pray with brevity and simplicity; pray secretly (Luke 18:1; Matt. 6:7).
23. In everything give thanks to God and recognize Him in all your ways (Eph. 5:20; Prov. 3:6).
24. As you would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them (Matt. 7:12).
25. Take Christ for an example and follow in his steps (1 Pet. 2:21).
26. Let Christ dwell in your heart by faith (Eph. 3:17).
27. Esteem Christ more highly than all earthly things; yea, than your own life (Luke 14:26).
28. Confess Christ freely before men (Luke 12:8).
29. Beware lest the cares of life or the allurements of pleasure weaken his hold on your heart (Matt. 24:44).
30. Love thy neighbor as thyself (Matt. 22:39).
31. Exercise lordship over no one (Matt. 23:11).
32. Seek not your own welfare only, nor bear your own burdens merely, but have regard to those of others (Phil. 2:4; Gal. 6:2).
33. Let your light shine before men: hold forth the word of life. Do good to all men as ye have opportunity (Matt. 5:16; Phil. 2:16; Gal. 6:10).
34. Be blameless and harmless, as the sons of God in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation (Phil. 2:15).
35. Be gentle, meek, kind-hearted, compassionate, merciful, forgiving (2 Tim. 2:24; Titus 2:2; Eph. 4:32).
36. Be sober, grave, sincere, temperate (Phil. 4:5; 1 Pet. 1:13; 5:8).
37. Speak the truth every man with his neighbor: put away all lying (Eph. 4:25).
38. Whatsoever ye do, do it heartily as unto the Lord, and not unto men (Col. 3:23).
39. Be watchful, vigilant, brave, joyful, courteous, and strong (1 Cor. 16:13; Phil. 4:4; 1 Thess. 5:6-10).
40. Be clothed with humility; be patient toward all (Col. 3:12; Rom. 12:12).
41. Follow peace with all men (Heb. 12:14).
42. Sympathize in the joys and sorrows of others (Rom. 12:15).
43. Follow after whatsoever things are true, honest, just, pure, lovely, of good report, virtuous, and praiseful (Phil. 4:8).
44. Refrain utterly from adultery, fornication, uncleanness, drunkenness, covetousness, wrath, strife, sedition, hatred, emulation, boasting, vainglory, envy, jesting, and foolish talking (Eph. 5:3,4).
45. Whatever you do, consider the effect of your action on the honor of God's name among men. Do all to the glory of God (1 Cor. 10:31; 3:17).
46. Reckon yourselves dead to all manner of sin. Henceforth live not to yourselves, but to him who died for you, and rose again (Rom. 6-11; 2 Cor. 5:15).
47. Be zealous of good works, always abounding in the work of the Lord, wearying not in well doing (Titus 2:14; Gal. 6:9).
48. Speak evil of no man (Titus 3:2).
49. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly (Col. 3:16).
50. Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt (Col. 3:8; 4:6).
51. Obey rulers; submit to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake (Titus 3:1).
52. Be holy in all manner of conversation (1 Pet. 1:15, 16).
53. Give no occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully (1 Tim. 5:14).

Legalize this. Love God and others way more than you love yourself.
Take every thought captive to make it obedient to Christ!

 

[michael56]

You missed some:

Then Jesus said to his host, “When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or sisters, your relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, [SUP]14 [/SUP]and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous Luke14:12-14

[SUP] [/SUP]“When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, [SUP]18 [/SUP]so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. Matt6:16-18

[SUP] [/SUP]Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back Luke6:30

[SUP] [/SUP]And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. [SUP]35 [/SUP]But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back Luke6:34&35

 

[Richie_2uk]

it was done intentionally....

I know, I was pulling on you, hehe God Bless

 

[Mitspa]

I understand the case you're presenting. When we become believers, we are delivered from the present evil of this world, God raises us up to heavenly places in the Messiah, and it's as if spiritually heaven and earth have passed away. I've seen this case being made before. But I don't agree that this is what the Messiah was talking about. I'll expand on this soon...

But let me first ask a clarifying question: When do or did heaven and earth spiritually pass away? Did heaven and earth spiritually pass away at the cross? Or does it happen when someone comes to faith in the Messiah? You said you're presenting these verses to show that a "believer in Christ has already been delivered from this present evil world," so I'm guessing you believe it happens when someone comes to faith. Is this correct?

I only ask because others who have presented this case say that the Messiah was referring to the cross as the moment when heaven and earth spiritually passed away.

When a believer is born-again, he becomes a new creation, now to those groups that don't believe in the rebirth of the Spirit man, or who don't actually have a evidence of the change that occurs when they receive the Holy Spirit, these truths of scripture might seem rather odd? Do you have the Holy Spirit, have you been born-again? This would help me explain the truth to you, if you have not or do not have the Holy Spirit, we have some bigger issues that we need to discuss.

 

[royalscot]

☝t<><

Calm your jets.

I was only pointing that out to confront the false teaching that the Old Testament Law passed away.

NO WAY do I believe our obedience adds anything to our Salvation. CHRIST DID IT ALL.

Our Obedience is how we manifest our LOVE for Christ.

By the way, the LAW remains for us TOO, not just the Gentiles. It is what makes us aware of sins in our lives that NEED TO BE CONFESSED AND REPENTED OF.

if you cant define scripture in context , then you err in the spiritual. the truth sets you free.

ware do you get you definition for sin and what law are you to repent off.

act2 is jewish people, getting the holy spirit, they would already know there is a god, and a law of moses.


then 10-16 years after this time.

acts 10, do you see the word repent.
acts 15, do you see the 10 commandments left in place for a gentile.

so preaching that acts 2 is the same for all, is not scripture based,
because cornelius was never told to repent and act 15 happened about 16 years later to acts 2.
so in short, histories time line, proves you err,in how you define scripture , if you come through acts 2 because no gentile had been told about jesus christ yet. so would ask why are you telling a gentile to repent, when no gentile has been told about jesus, or a law that was given to moses. even acts 15 shows it not the same law.

 

[Mitspa]

How did satan corrupt the church? How did false religion replace the true faith, and the catholic church gain control of that which once was a spiritual body? By legalism! he (satan) began to bring the law back into the church, like with doctrines that the law is broken into ceremonial and moral parts...he satan put folks back under the ten commandments and dead religious works. If satan can get a believer to think they are justified by any part of the law, he has them in his deceptive power because he has made them subject to the flesh and not who they are in Christ in the Spirit.

Ac 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.
26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.
27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.


Where did the church go wrong, where did they fail to heed Pauls warnings? They turned from the word of grace back to the written code of the law!

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

We see in Pauls warnings...His last known message to the church that he tells us to rely on the gospel of grace and the word of grace...In context of warning us against these wolves that would come in a corrupt the church.

Anytime the devil has taken us out of being justified by faith apart from the law and gets us into works to "earn" righteousness, he has taken us out of the Spirit and into the flesh. In the flesh he has power over us, in the Spirit we have power over him.


Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


By faith we begin and continue in the Spirit...under law we are in the flesh.

 

[VCO]

Joh 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.


1Ti 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

1 John 2:2-6 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him:
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
Philippians 2:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death— even to death on a cross.

Titus 3:1 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,

Luke 16:29 (HCSB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] “But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; they should listen to them.’

YOU ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO READ SOMETHING INTO THE N.T. THAT REALLY IS NOT THERE.

Luke 16:31 (HCSB)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] “But he told him, ‘If they don’t listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be persuaded if someone rises from the dead.’”

 

[Mitspa]

1 John 2:2-6 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him:
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
Philippians 2:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death— even to death on a cross.

Titus 3:1 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,

Luke 16:29 (HCSB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] “But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; they should listen to them.’

YOU ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO READ SOMETHING INTO THE N.T. THAT REALLY IS NOT THERE.

Luke 16:31 (HCSB)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] “But he told him, ‘If they don’t listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be persuaded if someone rises from the dead.’”

Yep.. faith in Jesus Christ and love as He commanded....the law is not of faith....

 

[VCO]

We see in Pauls warnings...His last known message to the church that he tells us to rely on the gospel of grace and the word of grace...In context of warning us against these wolves that would come in a corrupt the church.

Anytime the devil has taken us out of being justified by faith apart from the law and gets us into works to "earn" righteousness, he has taken us out of the Spirit and into the flesh. In the flesh he has power over us, in the Spirit we have power over him.


Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


By faith we begin and continue in the Spirit...under law we are in the flesh.

☝t<><

I am going to repeat this ONE LAST TIME.

AND THIS TIME MITSPA, I want you to ACTUALLY read it, even if you do not understand it.

We do not OBEY to"earn" righteousness;

Almost all of us here debating you,

Really do genuinely Believe that our Obedience is ONLY a way for us to MANIFEST OUR LOVE FOR JESUS CHRIST.

You are the ONLY ONE trying to read more into OUR Obedience to HIM.


John 14:15 (ESV)
[SUP]15[/SUP] “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

1 John 5:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden,

Romans 5:5 (NIV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out His love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.


You want to subtract from what the WORD of GOD says, that is purely YOUR PROBLEM.

We will go back to LOVING GOD the way HE taught us and the way HE puts it on our hearts to LOVE HIM.

Frankly, we are just PLUM TIRED of Discussing this with you, because like the saying goes,
"it is like talking to a Brick Wall".

 

[Mitspa]

☝t<><

I am going to repeat this ONE LAST TIME.

AND THIS TIME MITSPA, I want you to ACTUALLY read it, even if you do not understand it.

We do not OBEY to"earn" righteousness;

Almost all of us here debating you,

Really do genuinely Believe that our Obedience is ONLY a way for us to MANIFEST OUR LOVE FOR JESUS CHRIST.

You are the ONLY ONE trying to read more into OUR Obedience to HIM.


John 14:15 (ESV)
[SUP]15[/SUP] “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

1 John 5:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden,

Romans 5:5 (NIV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out His love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.


You want to subtract from what the WORD of GOD says, that is purely YOUR PROBLEM.

We will go back to LOVING GOD the way HE taught us and the way HE puts it on our hearts to LOVE HIM.

Frankly, we are just PLUM TIRED of Discussing this with you, because like the saying goes,
"it is like talking to a Brick Wall".

I already told you the commandments of God are faith in Jesus Christ and to love as He gave us commandment ... Yea if you think Im going to move from the truth, you will be very frustrated ...because by grace I stand

 

[Mitspa]

By the way..please stay on the topic of the thread...how has legalism affected you?

 

[VCO]

Sin is transgression of the law. The law God desires you to keep is placed on your heart and written on your mind. You do not therefore need to study the law to know what sin is in God's sight, for you instinctively know in your mind what God considers sin, and you have heartfelt conviction you sin when you break that law. I do not recognise myself, studying to know what God considers sin, the law has been transferred under the new covenant from an external law, to an internal law written on tablets of human hearts. It is not an academic exercise

THAT MEANS, the motive for KEEPING HIS COMMANDMENTS

Shifted from "I HAVE TO OBEY",

TO:

I WANT TO OBEY BECAUSE I LOVE HIM!

 

[Mitspa]

Legalism is a trap. By using God's Word, unscrupulous leaders mix Old Testament legalistic principles into New Testament teaching. It all sounds Biblical because the Scriptures are from God's Word--but used out of context. God's grace is subtly replaced by obedience, duty and religious performance. Legalism is commonly the foundation religious organizations are built on. Most can't exist without it! The counterfeit teaching of legalism takes hold of a person's life over a period of time. Some church organizations teach or suggest, in addition to believing on Christ, keeping the Ten Commandments and obeying Old Testament law is necessary for salvation. Other requirements like keeping the Sabbath (coming to church every Sunday), being at every church service and mandatory tithing are stressed. These are some of the more blatant forms of legalism. Millions of "Christians" are ensnared in it. Yet, I'm more concerned about an even more subtle and insidious form of legalism.

Today, performance-based Christianity is the new legalism. Prayer, Bible reading, witnessing, attending church meetings, tithing, serving, feeding the poor are not bad things in themselves. Yet, when they are stressed to the point that God is displeased when you don't do them--you've got a form of legalism. Like we said earlier, legalism is based in fear. We subtly find ourselves "performing" out of the fear that God won't accept us--or worse--that we are a failure or an inferior "class" of Christian. Leaders skilled in persuasive speech can easily project this kind of guilt and shame in order to manipulate church members. Legalism destroys Biblical faith and replaces it with a performance-based faith (a counterfeit faith). A legalistic person will appear as a model Christian and a pillar of the church. What you can't see many times is the motivation underneath. God is pleased with you through the simple act of faith (trusting and resting) in the finished work of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the only doorway into God's pleasure (acceptance). The Bible says that without faith it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6)! No level of performance will get you there. Our heavenly Father expects you to bear fruit. But, the kind of fruit He's looking for comes out of that place of rest in Christ (Heb. 3:7 through Heb. 4:11). Legalism does not produce God's rest.