Dutch Muslims Have Charlie Hebdo Poster Removed

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The problem isn't the level of eduction, the problem is many of those schools are populated by islamic students (only).
I am sorry for the non english below.

@didymos

Ik ben het niet met je eens. Het is gewoon simpelweg niet waar dat VMBO-scholen voornamelijk scholieren hebben met een islamitische achtergrond. Daar is onderzoek gedaan door de grootste middelbaar onderwijsinstellingen in Nederland. Het blijkt dat de verhouding moslim/niet-moslim scholieren op elk niveau nagenoeg gelijk is. De instroom (leerjaar 1) VWO is iets 'blanker', maar bij de uitstroom (VMBO/HAVO/VWO-diploma) is er nauwelijks verschil. Als er al een grotere groep moslims ergens is in de niveau's, dan is dit op het HAVO-niveau - alleen die afwijking is minder dan 0,5%.

Het probleem is echt de stigmatisering van het VMBO; en het gedrag dat die scholieren zich daar ook graag willen laten aanmeten. Bekijk maar eens de documentaire die ik geadviseerd heb. Ik ben er haast van overtuigd dat als je die gezien hebt, je met mij van mening moet zijn dat er andere factoren van een veel groter belang zijn dan het feit dat er de racisme-kaart werd gespeeld. (En het schoolbestuur zwakke knieën heeft... maar dat is een ander verhaal)

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I do not agree with you. It's just simply not true that pre-vocational secondary schools mainly students with an Islamic background. That research was done by the largest secondary schools in the Netherlands. It turns out that the ratio Muslim / non-Muslim students at every level is almost equal. The inflow (grade 1) High is something 'whiter', but at the outflow (VMBO / HAVO / VWO diploma) there is hardly any difference. If a larger group of Muslims anywhere in the levels, then this is the HAVO level - only the deviation is less than 0.5%.

The problem really is the stigmatization of the VMBO; and behaviors that students are there too like to be custom fit. Check once again the documentary I recommend. I am almost convinced that if you've seen that, you have to agree that there are other factors of much greater importance than the fact that the racism card was played. (And the school board has weak knees ... but that's another story)
 
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Who wants to kill? I want to protect people from killers! Love don't allow criminals and killers to slaughter the weak...love defends the weak and upholds justice.
Ypu say this then you go on to say we should fight islam by dropping bombs and spraying bullets at people?


Worked very well against the Nazis...and these guys are no different.
Who is going to drop your bombs and spray your bullets and then get bombed and shot for it?!

Christians aren't to fight in this war, no one is winning this war.

I say again; If you want to fight your war you fight your own war. I am not going to fight your war for you. Stop trying to seduce my Christian brothers into fighting and dying in vain for your own war.
 
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Thank you, my Friend. I'm beginning to catch on. I was trying to be respectful with him but you're right.

Christian/humanist/atheist artists = bad.
muslim murderers = misunderstood.

I'm done here.
That what you said, not I.

Here what I say

Atheist/secularists = bad

Islam = bad

Christianity = good

Let them fight their own war which they did cause. They should not be surprised then what the consequences are.

Atheism/secularism and Islam. Two sides to the same crooked coin. Christians should not side with either of them, let them fight their own war.
 
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That what you said, not I.

Here what I say

Atheist/secularists = bad

Islam = bad

Christianity = good

Let them fight their own war which they did cause. They should not be surprised then what the consequences are.

Atheism/secularism and Islam. Two sides to the same crooked coin. Christians should not side with either of them, let them fight their own war.
You seem to be unaware of the fact that there is no such thing as "their own war". Everybody not with them, is against them, and we are facing the consequences every day. They are allready spraying us with bullets...was 9/11 their own war? No, of course not, they can't tell the difference between us and them, they can't even tell the difference between themselves, and bombs certainly cant. Are you going to accept casualties because, according to you, the war is between atheists and muslims? Youre entitled to your opinion, but the way I see it you are wrong. This war isnt between them and them, it is between them and us, and if you are accepting freedom of speech violations like the ones in Paris, maybe you are accepting it on that day when your own faith is on the line due to threats from fanatics as well? Are you?
 
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You seem to be unaware of the fact that there is no such thing as "their own war". Everybody not with them, is against them, and we are facing the consequences every day. They are allready spraying us with bullets...was 9/11 their own war? No, of course not, they can't tell the difference between us and them, they can't even tell the difference between themselves, and bombs certainly cant. Are you going to accept casualties because, according to you, the war is between atheists and muslims? Youre entitled to your opinion, but the way I see it you are wrong. This war isnt between them and them, it is between them and us, and if you are accepting freedom of speech violations like the ones in Paris, maybe you are accepting it on that day when your own faith is on the line due to threats from fanatics as well? Are you?
Aye those not against us are for us. Those not for us they are even against us.

As it stands both atheists/secularists and islam are against us. Therefore let them fight their own war, I am against both of them because they are against us. And I am not for them because they are not for us.

Was Charlie Hebdo for or against us when they mocked Jesus? Let them fight their own war. We will forgive them, but we ain't going to fight their war for them. We will warn them to not get shot again and they will mock us and taunt us and accuse us trying to get us to fight their damn war for them. We will not have it.

What freedom of speech? There is no such thing.

What you know about 9/11? How islam is at war with the West and how the West is blind to it and invites in islam? How the West does fund Pakistan's government which is nothing but disparate factions warring with eachother? Yea America does fund Pakistan in excess of 1 billions dollars a year and it cannot spend 6 billion dollars a year to provide free community college so that Pakistan can harbor Osama bin Laden and use that money and err to even Pakistan's own undoing in trying to play the Taliban as their puppets. How about the missing 28 pages of the 9/11 Commission which are kept secret for a not so secret reason?

Don't speak to me of 9/11 trying to convince me to fight and die for a war in which both Islam and the West are clearly against themselves and eachother and Christians and the proof is well documented and published widely even by all three of those sides.

Am I what? I have told you everything as clearly as can be reckoned. Is it because others try to tell me that I should drop bombs and spray bullets for them and I reject them that they are vexed and hate me? Let them fight their own war.
 
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A Charlie Hebdo-poster of a muslim kissing a cartoonist was removed at the 'Kennemer College' in Heemskerk (the Netherlands). Some students found the poster offensive, according to the head teacher Marleen Lemstra in an interview with 'De Telegraaf' (dutch newspaper). These are (islamic) vmbo-students (preparatory middle-level vocational education) age 12 to 15 who didn't understand the french text accompanying the picture: 'Love is stronger than hate.' The don't get the nuances, according to the head teacher...

The teacher (who hung the poster on a wall at school) stated he deeply regreted his action and never intended to offend anyone. He just wanted to show his solidarity for the victims of the Paris attacks, he wrote in his apology letter. (which he had to read aloud in front of every class).


Translation of part of this article:
http://m.ad.nl/ad/m/nl/1012/Nederland/article/detail/3829499/2015/01/14/Poster-van-Charlie-Hebdo-geweerd-uit-schoolgebouw.dhtml
Teachers shouldn't be promoting any controversial political agendas, particularly in multi-religious and multicultural schools.
 
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[video=youtube_share;wWF8W-RZzeY]http://youtu.be/wWF8W-RZzeY[/video]
 
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[video=youtube_share;wWF8W-RZzeY]http://youtu.be/wWF8W-RZzeY[/video]
The man's a fool and a puppet of Israel. Trust me, I'm dutch.

Here's Wilders in his moshav days.

 
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I *liked* your comment because it was FUNNY, but Reagan's actual campaign slogan was, "Are You Better Off Than You Were Four Years Ago?"

Ronald Reagan's rejected campaign slogan.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Sure he lived in a moshav for a year and Israel for two years and has visited the country many times since but you omitted that he has also visited and stayed in neighboring Arab countries. But so what, a lot of us Christian are pro-Israel and anti-Islam too.

Speaking of which, though he's an agnostic and I'm a Christian, I completely agree with his strict anti-Islamic stance (though given his desire to NOT align himself with European "far"-right leaders, I'm to the right of him with the understanding that as a Christian I could never ever align with rightist fascist groups).


The man's a fool and a puppet of Israel. Trust me, I'm dutch.

Here's Wilders in his moshav days.
 
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You mean like the homosexual agenda, feminist agenda, liberal agenda, etc... well they certainly are. In fact, it's systemic to teaching now and in some places like California even the rule of law that they have to teach these agendas. Also, their associations fully agitate politically for these agendas. It's common knowledge that any deviation from these agendas results in suppression, loss of promotion and tenure, and even termination has been known to occur.


Teachers shouldn't be promoting any controversial political agendas, particularly in multi-religious and multicultural schools.
 
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...I completely agree with his strict anti-Islamic stance (though given his desire to NOT align himself with European "far"-right leaders, I'm to the right of him with the understanding that as a Christian I could never ever align with rightist fascist groups).
You're anti-Islam, I'm anti-Islam... not this guy though, he's just a racist.

At the night of local elections Geert Wilders, leader of PVV,asks his audience if they want more or less Moroccans, they say less then he answers:'Then we will arrange it/make work of it.' I'm still curious what he meant by that.

[video=youtube;gaRxCHXuoLA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaRxCHXuoLA[/video]

(Don't forget to turn captions on)
 
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Here we go again. Muslims thinking they have a special right to be offended and they claim this right by gunpoint.

Everyone condemns the actions that offends Muslims but no one condemns how they retaliate. I don't know why these backward lunatics want this sort of relationship with the press and the rest of the world.
 
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You're anti-Islam, I'm anti-Islam... not this guy though, he's just a racist.
[...] At the night of local elections Geert Wilders, leader of PVV,asks his audience if they want more or less Moroccans, they say less then he answers:'Then we will arrange it/make work of it.' I'm still curious what he meant by that.
1. Geert Wilders is not a racist

A racist is a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others. (definition) Geert Wilders does not say that his ideas are superior then another group. Geert Wilders says that the majority of criminal actions in the Netherlands are caused by relative small group of people claiming to do all sort of things in name of their believe. Those criminal actions are cleary and indisputable in contradiction with the 4 (or 5) elemental and constitutional freedoms that everybody should have in the Netherlands. Geert Wilders says that if you want to do such things according to your believe that you must go to a place where such behavior is accepted, like certain Northern African and other Arabic countries.

2. Geert Wilders is clearly against the Islam

Make no mistake about this. Geert Wilders says that the Islam according to the quaran is a religion that stribes to a fascism, a regime led by a dictator (as the replacement of the higher powers above) having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, with no room for other thoughts, believes or opinion at all. Geert Wilders also says that, like with the Bible and christians, not everybody that reads the quaran is a muslim. Geert Wilders also says that not every muslim is a bad person because they have strongly moderated views that decline any state of violence and allow people to have other thoughts and believes. Likewise with Christians that don't stabe eachtoher with tent pegs (Judges 4:21)...

3. Geert Wilders and the less Moroccans

See 1. As part of a political campaign it is allowed to have a strong opinion about certain policies, or openly declare that you are in favor of a certain policy. The policy Geert Wilders suggested has some major complications because of the signed treaties by the dutch government in the past. It is allowed for a political leader to say that, when he gets elected and his party is in power, he wants to changes to treaties, set new policy and so on. That is part of the normal electorial democratic proces. Geert Wilders ment what he said: he wants to change the law and treaties in such way that it is possible to outcast people that are not willing to behave according to the laws we all accept here. This is an electorial promise by a politician. I hope I don't have to explain what happens with most of those...
 
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One of these politicians in the video below tells the truth about Islam and the other is completely deceived by the devil regarding Islam. Can you tell which one of these two politicians is completely deceived by the devil regarding Islam?

Please chose A, B, C, or D and let us know which option you picked. Thank you.

A. David Cameron
B. David Cameron
C. David Cameron
D. David Cameron

Video: [video]https://youtu.be/C4WcPhhqeXY[/video]