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Wecome to CC, I posted these scriptures and will probably do a study on Matthew 24 next
I wanted to add a little more commentary about the testimony that we will be giving and inserted scripture from Paul. We document that Christ and Paul never gave a different account about our gathering together unto Him. We establish that not only is there not a rapture, but God is set against the the false rapture teaching. Also I fixed some typos
Lets look at the entirety of Luke 21 and see the entire picture Christ gives us.
1And He looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.
2And He saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.
3And He said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:
4For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.
Establishes that Christ is in the temple at this time. The meaning of the rich men and the poor widow has to do with the corruption that has befallen the Temple 'Mark 11:17And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves' Who is the chief of thieves? That would be satan. Not only is he corrupting with the rich men and their money he will try to steal the poor woman's living soul.
5And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
So we know why and now we are going to find out when the temple shall be destroyed.
8.And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
'for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ' Who shall be coming in the endtimes? Satan and the fallen angels shall come, the same ones He spoke of in Mt 24:24 the same ones He said that will have supernatural abilities. Then He says 'the time draweth near' but it is not time yet. No rapture yet.
Here we find Pauls writing aligns perfectly with Christ's. It documents that satan is sitting in the temple of God and is being worshipped as if he was God. It goes on to state that and we SHALL NOT be gathered together unto Christ until the man of sin(satan) the phoney christ be revealed.
2 THES ch2 1-6
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
Paul tells us right here that you now know what is going to happen, why would anyone believe differently?
9But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
Fear not friend. God will provide, for these things must happen but still no end yet. Still no mention of a rapture.
10Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
You still have nothing to fear.
12But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
Wait a second, now follow closely, the Lord goes back here and tells you what will happen before the events of the last three verses. You shall be delivered up for his names sake because you refuse to worship the false christ. Still no rapture yet to be mentioned.
13And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
If God can't use you what good are you? He wants to use you to testify! In verse 12 it's says we shall be delivered up before synagogues, into prisons, and before kings and rulers. Now who is the great beast at the head of all this? It is satan in the endtimes, that's when you shall be given and deliver this testimony by the Holy Spirit.
14Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
15For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
Don't even plan what you are gonna say, the Holy Spirit shall fill you and give you the words to say in that day. Still no rapture yet.
16And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
Even your own family might be deceived because they believe that this is Christ when its really satan. 'and some of you shall they cause to be put to death' death is another name of satan[hebrews 2:14] It doesn't say you are dead but you are brought before satan and have been given a death sentence.
17And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
The whole world is under the spell of satan, but you refuse to bow to the fake.
18But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
You see? You belong to God. You shall live forever, no death.
19In your patience possess ye your souls.
Endure to the end friend!
20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
The stage has been set! but still no rapture. You better be getting on your way out of there now.
HE IS TELLING US WHEN WE WILL MAKE OUR ESCAPE!
21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Just like Lot. The Lord did not fly him away He gave him a way out.
HE IS TELLING US WHERE AND HOW TO MAKE OUR ESCAPE!
22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Vengeance is the Lords. It has begun.
23But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Do you really think God is going to punish people for being parents? God forbid. He's warning those that have already partaken in the spiritual wedding with the false christ. Those that are not spiritually virgins. His bride shall be a virgin, not with child!
24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. 25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
The labor pains of the earth begin and Gods bride shall rejoice and those that took pleasure in unrighteousness woe unto you. Your fake marriage is over.
27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
He's coming with a great multitude of angels; a cloud
28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Blessed be the Messiah, our Redeemer forever and ever Amen
29And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Ok, Ok don't get excited now we have a parable so now we are going back and looking at more events before our Lords coming. This is not after the events of verse 28. The parable of the fig tree can be lengthy so a complete study is better suited for another time.
30When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
32Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
33Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
34And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
Study the word so you know whats going to happen and search the scriptures.
35For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
But not you friend, for you let yourself receive the love of the truth.
36Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
He told us how to escape, not by flying away like a bunch of ducks in the winter but rather you shall STAND! The Lord told us what to look for and when to flee and said fear not. He shall protect us. STAND! and receive the love of Christ! Forever and ever Amen
Lets look at the rest of 2 Thes ch2 and see what else Paul tells us.
7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
The snare is already being prepared with the false rapture doctrine. Did you think God would not know of this?
8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9{Even him}, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
The texts omit 'Even him'. Paul warns us again Christ is coming after satan to destroy him and the temple. Then he goes on to document as Christ repeatedly did, that satan shall have supernatural abilities to fool people during his false reign.
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12That they all might be ****ed who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
What is the strong delusion God will send? He is going to cast satan down and let him deceive the whole world and those that have not accepted what He wrote to us. You have all this evidence and you insist on believing the false rapture doctrine and for this you shall be unprepared and partake in the false wedding.
13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Praise God! for this is His plan.
14Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
For those with ears that hear.
15Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
Did He say fly? No! He said STAND fast! Hold the traditions of men? No! Hold the traditions of His word and epistle that the word taught you!
16Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
Blessed is the name of the Lord Forever and ever Amen
17Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
Peace unto you in Jesus Christ
37And in the day time he was teaching in the temple; and at night he went out, and abode in the mount that is called the mount of Olives.
38And all the people came early in the morning to him in the temple, for to hear him.
Repost for MaryLee
I wanted to add a little more commentary about the testimony that we will be giving and inserted scripture from Paul. We document that Christ and Paul never gave a different account about our gathering together unto Him. We establish that not only is there not a rapture, but God is set against the the false rapture teaching. Also I fixed some typos
Lets look at the entirety of Luke 21 and see the entire picture Christ gives us.
1And He looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.
2And He saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.
3And He said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:
4For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.
Establishes that Christ is in the temple at this time. The meaning of the rich men and the poor widow has to do with the corruption that has befallen the Temple 'Mark 11:17And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves' Who is the chief of thieves? That would be satan. Not only is he corrupting with the rich men and their money he will try to steal the poor woman's living soul.
5And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
So we know why and now we are going to find out when the temple shall be destroyed.
8.And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
'for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ' Who shall be coming in the endtimes? Satan and the fallen angels shall come, the same ones He spoke of in Mt 24:24 the same ones He said that will have supernatural abilities. Then He says 'the time draweth near' but it is not time yet. No rapture yet.
Here we find Pauls writing aligns perfectly with Christ's. It documents that satan is sitting in the temple of God and is being worshipped as if he was God. It goes on to state that and we SHALL NOT be gathered together unto Christ until the man of sin(satan) the phoney christ be revealed.
2 THES ch2 1-6
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
Paul tells us right here that you now know what is going to happen, why would anyone believe differently?
9But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
Fear not friend. God will provide, for these things must happen but still no end yet. Still no mention of a rapture.
10Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
You still have nothing to fear.
12But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
Wait a second, now follow closely, the Lord goes back here and tells you what will happen before the events of the last three verses. You shall be delivered up for his names sake because you refuse to worship the false christ. Still no rapture yet to be mentioned.
13And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
If God can't use you what good are you? He wants to use you to testify! In verse 12 it's says we shall be delivered up before synagogues, into prisons, and before kings and rulers. Now who is the great beast at the head of all this? It is satan in the endtimes, that's when you shall be given and deliver this testimony by the Holy Spirit.
14Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
15For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
Don't even plan what you are gonna say, the Holy Spirit shall fill you and give you the words to say in that day. Still no rapture yet.
16And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
Even your own family might be deceived because they believe that this is Christ when its really satan. 'and some of you shall they cause to be put to death' death is another name of satan[hebrews 2:14] It doesn't say you are dead but you are brought before satan and have been given a death sentence.
17And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
The whole world is under the spell of satan, but you refuse to bow to the fake.
18But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
You see? You belong to God. You shall live forever, no death.
19In your patience possess ye your souls.
Endure to the end friend!
20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
The stage has been set! but still no rapture. You better be getting on your way out of there now.
HE IS TELLING US WHEN WE WILL MAKE OUR ESCAPE!
21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Just like Lot. The Lord did not fly him away He gave him a way out.
HE IS TELLING US WHERE AND HOW TO MAKE OUR ESCAPE!
22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Vengeance is the Lords. It has begun.
23But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Do you really think God is going to punish people for being parents? God forbid. He's warning those that have already partaken in the spiritual wedding with the false christ. Those that are not spiritually virgins. His bride shall be a virgin, not with child!
24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. 25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
The labor pains of the earth begin and Gods bride shall rejoice and those that took pleasure in unrighteousness woe unto you. Your fake marriage is over.
27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
He's coming with a great multitude of angels; a cloud
28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Blessed be the Messiah, our Redeemer forever and ever Amen
29And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Ok, Ok don't get excited now we have a parable so now we are going back and looking at more events before our Lords coming. This is not after the events of verse 28. The parable of the fig tree can be lengthy so a complete study is better suited for another time.
30When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
32Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
33Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
34And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
Study the word so you know whats going to happen and search the scriptures.
35For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
But not you friend, for you let yourself receive the love of the truth.
36Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
He told us how to escape, not by flying away like a bunch of ducks in the winter but rather you shall STAND! The Lord told us what to look for and when to flee and said fear not. He shall protect us. STAND! and receive the love of Christ! Forever and ever Amen
Lets look at the rest of 2 Thes ch2 and see what else Paul tells us.
7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
The snare is already being prepared with the false rapture doctrine. Did you think God would not know of this?
8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9{Even him}, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
The texts omit 'Even him'. Paul warns us again Christ is coming after satan to destroy him and the temple. Then he goes on to document as Christ repeatedly did, that satan shall have supernatural abilities to fool people during his false reign.
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12That they all might be ****ed who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
What is the strong delusion God will send? He is going to cast satan down and let him deceive the whole world and those that have not accepted what He wrote to us. You have all this evidence and you insist on believing the false rapture doctrine and for this you shall be unprepared and partake in the false wedding.
13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Praise God! for this is His plan.
14Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
For those with ears that hear.
15Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
Did He say fly? No! He said STAND fast! Hold the traditions of men? No! Hold the traditions of His word and epistle that the word taught you!
16Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
Blessed is the name of the Lord Forever and ever Amen
17Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
Peace unto you in Jesus Christ
37And in the day time he was teaching in the temple; and at night he went out, and abode in the mount that is called the mount of Olives.
38And all the people came early in the morning to him in the temple, for to hear him.
M
Lets pick it up at verse 21 for that is where most of the additional material is written.
Matthew 24
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Establishes the subject. The tribulation.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Establishes that God elect are still here in the flesh.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
This has never happened on a world scale. There are a few clowns out there saying this but really aren't fooling anyone and aren't a threat to the church as a whole.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
'and shall shew great signs and wonders' The supernatual abilities of satan and the fallen angels.
'if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect' This is going to be one powerful world movement. How can the rapurist possibly stand against it when he is totally unprepared cause he thinks he is going to be gone.
25Behold, I have told you before.
When will your ears hear?
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Why not believe it? Cause its Satan and the fallen angels. Remember friend, Satan is very very beautiful in appearance, not some red feller with horns, a tail, and a pitchfork.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
This is different than satan's coming, in as the whole world will see the Tree of Life when He comes.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
This verse has been misinterpreted for many years by the rapurists. This should read buzzards instead of eagles. In no way is it referring to a rapture but it is referring satans false church as a carcase rather than a body.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Then the angels gather us together. Praise God.
32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
What happened in the days of Noah? The fallen angels came and married the daughters of men.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Ok friend who were they marrying and giving in marriage with? The fallen angels!!! There will be a much bigger spiritual wedding with Satan and those that have fallen for his powerful deception. When the Husband comes back from his long journey and finds his bride with a child! Woe unto you.
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
The flood of the endtimes comes from satans mouth. A flood of lies.{REV 12:16}
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Another famous rapture verse. What did the prior verse just say? It said that those that were participating in the marriage were taken away by the flood. This verse says one shall be taken, He is taken by the flood! Stay in the field friend, that's where God has work for you to do here on earth. I'm sure some shall be lead to the truth by others during the tribulation.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Keep grinding at the mill friend. Don't run off and worship the fake.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
We don't know the hour, but we know what we'll be doing.
43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
The thief is satan. How is the rapurist going to be prepared at all? He's not and his house shall be broken up!
44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
When would one least expect Christ to come??? If they thought he was already here!!! There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. The shame will be great.
45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
In due season, not in the winter, in the new summer that's coming, in the new year.
46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Endure to the end friend, don't let this great deception overcome you.
47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
I just want to live with Christ forever, that's enough for me.
48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Seems some will fall off towards the end. Pray it be not you and I pray it not be me.
49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
They end up partaking in the marriage.
50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Again When would one least expect Christ to come??? If they thought he was already here!!! They are already participating in a false wedding thinking that it's the Messiah. The rapture pastors have left their flocks completely defenceless against the great lie.
51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
C
Lets pick it up at verse 21 for that is where most of the additional material is written.
Matthew 24
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Establishes the subject. The tribulation.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Establishes that God elect are still here in the flesh.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
This has never happened on a world scale. There are a few clowns out there saying this but really aren't fooling anyone and aren't a threat to the church as a whole.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
'and shall shew great signs and wonders' The supernatual abilities of satan and the fallen angels.
'if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect' This is going to be one powerful world movement. How can the rapurist possibly stand against it when he is totally unprepared cause he thinks he is going to be gone.
25Behold, I have told you before.
When will your ears hear?
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Why not believe it? Cause its Satan and the fallen angels. Remember friend, Satan is very very beautiful in appearance, not some red feller with horns, a tail, and a pitchfork.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
This is different than satan's coming, in as the whole world will see the Tree of Life when He comes.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
This verse has been misinterpreted for many years by the rapurists. This should read buzzards instead of eagles. In no way is it referring to a rapture but it is referring satans false church as a carcase rather than a body.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Then the angels gather us together. Praise God.
32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
What happened in the days of Noah? The fallen angels came and married the daughters of men.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Ok friend who were they marrying and giving in marriage with? The fallen angels!!! There will be a much bigger spiritual wedding with Satan and those that have fallen for his powerful deception. When the Husband comes back from his long journey and finds his bride with a child! Woe unto you.
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
The flood of the endtimes comes from satans mouth. A flood of lies.{REV 12:16}
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Another famous rapture verse. What did the prior verse just say? It said that those that were participating in the marriage were taken away by the flood. This verse says one shall be taken, He is taken by the flood! Stay in the field friend, that's where God has work for you to do here on earth. I'm sure some shall be lead to the truth by others during the tribulation.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Keep grinding at the mill friend. Don't run off and worship the fake.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
We don't know the hour, but we know what we'll be doing.
43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
The thief is satan. How is the rapurist going to be prepared at all? He's not and his house shall be broken up!
44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
When would one least expect Christ to come??? If they thought he was already here!!! There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. The shame will be great.
45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
In due season, not in the winter, in the new summer that's coming, in the new year.
46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Endure to the end friend, don't let this great deception overcome you.
47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
I just want to live with Christ forever, that's enough for me.
48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Seems some will fall off towards the end. Pray it be not you and I pray it not be me.
49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
They end up partaking in the marriage.
50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Again When would one least expect Christ to come??? If they thought he was already here!!! They are already participating in a false wedding thinking that it's the Messiah. The rapture pastors have left their flocks completely defenceless against the great lie.
51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 24
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Establishes the subject. The tribulation.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Establishes that God elect are still here in the flesh.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
This has never happened on a world scale. There are a few clowns out there saying this but really aren't fooling anyone and aren't a threat to the church as a whole.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
'and shall shew great signs and wonders' The supernatual abilities of satan and the fallen angels.
'if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect' This is going to be one powerful world movement. How can the rapurist possibly stand against it when he is totally unprepared cause he thinks he is going to be gone.
25Behold, I have told you before.
When will your ears hear?
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Why not believe it? Cause its Satan and the fallen angels. Remember friend, Satan is very very beautiful in appearance, not some red feller with horns, a tail, and a pitchfork.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
This is different than satan's coming, in as the whole world will see the Tree of Life when He comes.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
This verse has been misinterpreted for many years by the rapurists. This should read buzzards instead of eagles. In no way is it referring to a rapture but it is referring satans false church as a carcase rather than a body.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Then the angels gather us together. Praise God.
32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
What happened in the days of Noah? The fallen angels came and married the daughters of men.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Ok friend who were they marrying and giving in marriage with? The fallen angels!!! There will be a much bigger spiritual wedding with Satan and those that have fallen for his powerful deception. When the Husband comes back from his long journey and finds his bride with a child! Woe unto you.
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
The flood of the endtimes comes from satans mouth. A flood of lies.{REV 12:16}
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Another famous rapture verse. What did the prior verse just say? It said that those that were participating in the marriage were taken away by the flood. This verse says one shall be taken, He is taken by the flood! Stay in the field friend, that's where God has work for you to do here on earth. I'm sure some shall be lead to the truth by others during the tribulation.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Keep grinding at the mill friend. Don't run off and worship the fake.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
We don't know the hour, but we know what we'll be doing.
43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
The thief is satan. How is the rapurist going to be prepared at all? He's not and his house shall be broken up!
44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
When would one least expect Christ to come??? If they thought he was already here!!! There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. The shame will be great.
45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
In due season, not in the winter, in the new summer that's coming, in the new year.
46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Endure to the end friend, don't let this great deception overcome you.
47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
I just want to live with Christ forever, that's enough for me.
48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Seems some will fall off towards the end. Pray it be not you and I pray it not be me.
49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
They end up partaking in the marriage.
50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Again When would one least expect Christ to come??? If they thought he was already here!!! They are already participating in a false wedding thinking that it's the Messiah. The rapture pastors have left their flocks completely defenceless against the great lie.
51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
The other problem is the anti-"rapturist" tone, which gives it the feel of entegesis rather than exegesis.
How do you view II Peter 3:3-7?
M
3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
Compare:
Acts ch 2
17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Who's going to dream the dreams if you righteous ones are all gone? The last days cover from the beginning of the parable of the fig tree through the tribulation.
4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
Would that not be a fair statement concerning today?
5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Don't they try to explain away the God's word with the modern day evolution doctrines and the big bang?
6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
What world that was? Hmmmm We ought to do a study on this alone. I don't think He's talking about Noah's flood either.
7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
The Lord has set this heaven and earth age for the final judgement of man. Then there shall be a new heaven and a new earth.
Compare:
Acts ch 2
17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Who's going to dream the dreams if you righteous ones are all gone? The last days cover from the beginning of the parable of the fig tree through the tribulation.
4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
Would that not be a fair statement concerning today?
5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Don't they try to explain away the God's word with the modern day evolution doctrines and the big bang?
6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
What world that was? Hmmmm We ought to do a study on this alone. I don't think He's talking about Noah's flood either.
7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
The Lord has set this heaven and earth age for the final judgement of man. Then there shall be a new heaven and a new earth.
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M
Further documentation from Christ you don't want to be the one taken.
LUKE 17
34I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Night is prophecy means its concerning satan.
35Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
They asked the Lord "Where?" (Where are they taken?) It should read= Wheresoever the carcase is, thither will the buzzards be gathered together.
LUKE 17
34I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Night is prophecy means its concerning satan.
35Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
They asked the Lord "Where?" (Where are they taken?) It should read= Wheresoever the carcase is, thither will the buzzards be gathered together.
C
Disagree with you on this one. Even if the "night" prophecy means it's concerning Satan, at least one of these guys are fine. And the immediate parallel with the grinding and the field seem to negate that anyway. The question Where? may just as well apply to where they are left as where they are taken.
Also, I meant eisegesis, lol. Classic problem with Greek is getting your ins mixed with your intos.
Also, I meant eisegesis, lol. Classic problem with Greek is getting your ins mixed with your intos.
M
We'll we should just throw the book of Revelation, the testimony of Jesus Christ, out because He probably didn't want us spending any time trying to figure out what the symbolism means. Might as we'll not bother reading any parables either. People have been trying to figure out His teachings for centuries. It's called getting into the meat of the word. You can go on telling people Jesus saves, Jesus saves, Jesus saves for the rest of your life but at some point you should try to get into the meat of the word. I don't understand why you come in here and criticize people for trying to understand God's word and then assume they aren't fishers of men.
M
You have a good point. You see I've been taught this and it made sense at the time. I'm not going to sit here and pretend everything I post is perfect. I'm going to spend some time go over some more scripture to whether those things are so and I will get back to you. The book of Revelations speaks about God's people fleeing to the wilderness during the tribulation and I was thinking that it is a possibility this could be the case. I'm going to have to make sure.
C
You have a good point. You see I've been taught this and it made sense at the time. I'm not going to sit here and pretend everything I post is perfect. I'm going to spend some time go over some more scripture to whether those things are so and I will get back to you. The book of Revelations speaks about God's people fleeing to the wilderness during the tribulation and I was thinking that it is a possibility this could be the case. I'm going to have to make sure.
S
The Revelation book was hardly accepted as a part of the Biblical cannon, in fact, Martin Luther didn´t consider it to be really inspired. It seems the devil uses it to confuse and make belivers go crazy because of its multiple possible interpretations. May the Holy Spirit help us understand and practice God`s Word better than we do now.
M
Maybe that's a subject for a different thread. I believe there's many reasons its authentic.
3. GENESIS FINDS ITS COMPLEMENT IN THE APOCALYPSE.
1. Genesis, the book of the beginning.
1. Apocalypse, the book of the end.
2. The Earth created (1:1).
2. The Earth passed away (21:1).g
3. Satan's first rebellion._
3. Satan's final rebellion (20:3, 7-10).
4. Sun, moon, and stars for Earth's government (1:14-16).
4. Sun, moon, and stars, connected with Earth's judgment (6:13; 8:12; 16:8)
. 5. Sun to govern the day (1:16).
5. No need of the sun (21:23).
6. Darkness called night (1:5).
6. "No night there" (22:5).
7. Waters called seas (1:10)
. 7. "No more sea" (21:1).
8. A river for Earth's blessing (2:10-14).g
8. A river for the New Earth (22:1, 2).
9. Man in God's image (1:26).
9. Man headed by one in Satan's image (13).
10. Entrance of sin (3).
10. Development and end of sin (21, 22).
11. Curse pronounced (3:14, 17).
11. "No more curse" (22:3).
12. Death entered (3:19).
12. "No more death" (21:4).
13. Cherubim, first mentioned in connection with man (3:24).
13. Cherubim, finally mentioned in connection with man (4:6).
14. Man driven out from Eden (3:24).
14. Man restored (22).
15. Tree of life guarded (3:24).
15. "Right to the Tree of Life" (22:14).
16. Sorrow and suffering enter (3:17).
16. No more sorrow (21:4).
17. Man's religion, art, and science, resorted to for enjoyment, apart from God (4).
17. Man's religion, luxury, art, and science, in their full glory, judged and destroyed by God (18).
18. Nimrod, a great rebel and king, and hidden anti-God, the founder of Babylon (10:8, 9).
18. The Beast, the great rebel, a king and manifested anti-God, the reviver of Babylon (13-18).
19. A flood from God to destroy an evil generation (6-9).
19. A flood from Satan to destroy an elect generation (12).
20. The Bow, the token of God's covenant with the Earth (9:13).
20. The Bow, betokening God's remembrance of His covenant with the Earth (4:3; 10:1).
21. Sodom and Egypt, the place of corruption and temptation (13, 19).
21. Sodom and Egypt again: (spiritually representing Jerusalem) (11:8).
22. A confederacy against Abraham's people overthrown (14).
22. A confederacy against Abraham's seed overthrown (12).
23. Marriage of first Adam (2:18-23).
23. Marriage of last Adam (19).
24. A bride sought for Abraham's son (Isaac) and found (24).
24. A Bride made ready and brought to Abraham's Son (19:9). See Matt. 1:1.
25. Two angels acting for God on behalf of His people (19).
25. Two witnesses acting for God on behalf of His People (11).
26. A promised seed to possess the gate of his enemies (22:17).
26. The promised seed coming into possession (11:18).
27. Man's dominion ceased and Satan's begun (3:24).
27. Satan's dominion ended, and man's restored (22).
28. The old serpent causing sin, suffering, and death (3:1).
28. The old serpent bound for 1,000 years (20:1-3).
29. The doom of the old serpent pronounced (3:15).
29. The doom on the old serpent executed (20:10).
30. Sun, moon, and stars, associated with Israel (37:9).
30. Sun, moon, and stars, associated again with Israel (12).
3. GENESIS FINDS ITS COMPLEMENT IN THE APOCALYPSE.
1. Genesis, the book of the beginning.
1. Apocalypse, the book of the end.
2. The Earth created (1:1).
2. The Earth passed away (21:1).g
3. Satan's first rebellion._
3. Satan's final rebellion (20:3, 7-10).
4. Sun, moon, and stars for Earth's government (1:14-16).
4. Sun, moon, and stars, connected with Earth's judgment (6:13; 8:12; 16:8)
. 5. Sun to govern the day (1:16).
5. No need of the sun (21:23).
6. Darkness called night (1:5).
6. "No night there" (22:5).
7. Waters called seas (1:10)
. 7. "No more sea" (21:1).
8. A river for Earth's blessing (2:10-14).g
8. A river for the New Earth (22:1, 2).
9. Man in God's image (1:26).
9. Man headed by one in Satan's image (13).
10. Entrance of sin (3).
10. Development and end of sin (21, 22).
11. Curse pronounced (3:14, 17).
11. "No more curse" (22:3).
12. Death entered (3:19).
12. "No more death" (21:4).
13. Cherubim, first mentioned in connection with man (3:24).
13. Cherubim, finally mentioned in connection with man (4:6).
14. Man driven out from Eden (3:24).
14. Man restored (22).
15. Tree of life guarded (3:24).
15. "Right to the Tree of Life" (22:14).
16. Sorrow and suffering enter (3:17).
16. No more sorrow (21:4).
17. Man's religion, art, and science, resorted to for enjoyment, apart from God (4).
17. Man's religion, luxury, art, and science, in their full glory, judged and destroyed by God (18).
18. Nimrod, a great rebel and king, and hidden anti-God, the founder of Babylon (10:8, 9).
18. The Beast, the great rebel, a king and manifested anti-God, the reviver of Babylon (13-18).
19. A flood from God to destroy an evil generation (6-9).
19. A flood from Satan to destroy an elect generation (12).
20. The Bow, the token of God's covenant with the Earth (9:13).
20. The Bow, betokening God's remembrance of His covenant with the Earth (4:3; 10:1).
21. Sodom and Egypt, the place of corruption and temptation (13, 19).
21. Sodom and Egypt again: (spiritually representing Jerusalem) (11:8).
22. A confederacy against Abraham's people overthrown (14).
22. A confederacy against Abraham's seed overthrown (12).
23. Marriage of first Adam (2:18-23).
23. Marriage of last Adam (19).
24. A bride sought for Abraham's son (Isaac) and found (24).
24. A Bride made ready and brought to Abraham's Son (19:9). See Matt. 1:1.
25. Two angels acting for God on behalf of His people (19).
25. Two witnesses acting for God on behalf of His People (11).
26. A promised seed to possess the gate of his enemies (22:17).
26. The promised seed coming into possession (11:18).
27. Man's dominion ceased and Satan's begun (3:24).
27. Satan's dominion ended, and man's restored (22).
28. The old serpent causing sin, suffering, and death (3:1).
28. The old serpent bound for 1,000 years (20:1-3).
29. The doom of the old serpent pronounced (3:15).
29. The doom on the old serpent executed (20:10).
30. Sun, moon, and stars, associated with Israel (37:9).
30. Sun, moon, and stars, associated again with Israel (12).