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Are you kidding me?! Do you know how many youth groups praise and worship the Lord to rap, hip-hop and metal? All three of my (now adult) kids were actively involved in youth group & ministries for years and witnessed kids from all over come to their worship & praise nights and give their hearts to the Lord! They also had disciple teams, who helped these kids grow in Christ Jesus. These kids forfeited their weekends of partying for a night of praising & worshipping the Lord.
But if it was up to you, none of that should have happened because you don't approve of the music???
You posted a small part of one scripture, “Rightly dividing the Word of Truth.” But you omitted the rest of it, which reads:
2 Timothy 2:9-15
9. And because I preach the Good News, I am chained like a criminal. But the Word of God cannot be chained.
10. I am willing to endure anything if it will bring salvation and eternal glory in Christ Jesus to those God has chosen.
11. This is a trustworthy saying: If we die with Him, we will also live with Him.
12. If we endure hardship, WE WILL REIGN WITH HIM.
13. Even if we are unfaithful, He remains faithful for He cannot deny who He is.
14. Remind everyone about these things and command them in God’s Presence to stop fighting over words. Such arguments are senseless and can ruin those who hear them.
15. Study to show yourself that you are approved by God, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, cutting straight to the Word of Truth.
Paul is telling us to remind one another not to argue and debate God’s Word but to trust that Jesus is faithful in bringing people to salvation through ANYTHING. We are to endure whatever comes and know that Jesus remains faithful no matter what. Jesus will bring the ones He has chosen to heaven where they will REIGN WITH HIM. And even if you don’t believe it, yet Jesus will still do it because He cannot deny He is LORD.
Paul says that we are commanded to tell people to stop fighting about our own interpretations of the Word because it interferes with what God is doing in each individual life. We ARE approved by God because of Jesus Christ’s Atonement on the Cross. We don’t have to be ashamed even if someone says they don’t like the way we worship God. We know the Word of Truth because the Spirit of Truth dwells within us.
Ok? So this guilt-tripping and condemnation about music needs to stop now.
But if it was up to you, none of that should have happened because you don't approve of the music???
You posted a small part of one scripture, “Rightly dividing the Word of Truth.” But you omitted the rest of it, which reads:
2 Timothy 2:9-15
9. And because I preach the Good News, I am chained like a criminal. But the Word of God cannot be chained.
10. I am willing to endure anything if it will bring salvation and eternal glory in Christ Jesus to those God has chosen.
11. This is a trustworthy saying: If we die with Him, we will also live with Him.
12. If we endure hardship, WE WILL REIGN WITH HIM.
13. Even if we are unfaithful, He remains faithful for He cannot deny who He is.
14. Remind everyone about these things and command them in God’s Presence to stop fighting over words. Such arguments are senseless and can ruin those who hear them.
15. Study to show yourself that you are approved by God, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, cutting straight to the Word of Truth.
Paul is telling us to remind one another not to argue and debate God’s Word but to trust that Jesus is faithful in bringing people to salvation through ANYTHING. We are to endure whatever comes and know that Jesus remains faithful no matter what. Jesus will bring the ones He has chosen to heaven where they will REIGN WITH HIM. And even if you don’t believe it, yet Jesus will still do it because He cannot deny He is LORD.
Paul says that we are commanded to tell people to stop fighting about our own interpretations of the Word because it interferes with what God is doing in each individual life. We ARE approved by God because of Jesus Christ’s Atonement on the Cross. We don’t have to be ashamed even if someone says they don’t like the way we worship God. We know the Word of Truth because the Spirit of Truth dwells within us.
Ok? So this guilt-tripping and condemnation about music needs to stop now.
No one will feel guilty if they feel they are on the right road. I know lots of kids and adults listen to this. Wide is the gate that leads to destruction but narrow is the way that leads to life.
V
Just so you know Sister RememberTheSabbathDay, we understand you don't approve of rap music. Nevertheless, this is a Christian Rap thread and you keep coming in to disrupt our fellowship. Did you read the CC rules?
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RememberTheSabbathDay, you are not fellowshipping with us in here, you keep interfering and saying you don't approve of Rap. Yet it is a Christian Rap room. Please stop disrupting our fellowship in here. IT'S AGAINST THE RULES OF CC.
2. No conduct that is offensive or counterproductive to fellowship.
We like to welcome all to Christian Chat, but if anyone is not here for fellowship (or for wanting to know about Christianity), but simply for disrupting fellowship, offending people, whatever, then that person is not welcome.
RememberTheSabbathDay, you are not fellowshipping with us in here, you keep interfering and saying you don't approve of Rap. Yet it is a Christian Rap room. Please stop disrupting our fellowship in here. IT'S AGAINST THE RULES OF CC.
U
People like this would rather crusade against music than go out preaching to the unsaved. They are generally closed minded, self righteous and inconsiderate. I don't waste my time on such people. I've yet to meet even one that has any real backing for their claims other than twisting scripture, using it out of context and opinion. In 25 years i've yet to hear one single valid argument that's even made me pause and reconsider my stances on music.
V
Amen!! And ya know what? When I was going through my worst spiritual battles, music inspired and strengthened me. I honestly don't know how I would have made it through without listening to my collection of hardcore Christian rock, rap, hiphop, even metal. The beats and the lyrics picked me up and propelled me forward. God used that music to lift me up and encourage me. It really agitates me when people try to burden others with their own hang-ups. Let people live free in Christ, ya know?
here are the lyrics
Verse 1
In spreading Christ’s aroma, I’ve been a lot of places
Stood on many stages, seen a lot of faces
One question I’ve heard a thousand and ten times
“Yo Shai, tell me what’s your thoughts on the end times?”
In certain circles, I get all kinds of looks
When I tell them I disagree with the Left Behind books
Some get hostile, I tell them it’s not the gospel
Plus we shouldn’t take our theology from a novel
Or tradition- no need for tension or division
Because many Christians have embraced different positions
I do have a view, but I admit I could be wrong
This is secondary to the gospel we agree on
So this is non-essential bro, I’ll still defend it though
I hold to the view known as Amillennial
Songs this is not typical, it’s difficult
But I intend to show you exactly why it’s Biblical
Chorus
We in the last days, it’s the end times
No time for the spiritually thin rhymes
Yeah, gotta infiltrate your section
With Christ’s death, burial and resurrection
And when He comes back, see the sky crack
Where you at? Yeah, it’s like that
And when He comes back, see the sky crack
Where you at? Where you at?
Verse 2
So what do I mean when I say Amillennial?
It’s kind of complicated, I’ll try to keep it simple though
The primary Scriptural passage for meditation
Is found in the 20th chapter of Revelation
According to the Amillennial interpretation
Christ’s death on the cross greatly hindered the works of Satan
Bound him so he could no longer deceive the nations
John 12:31- See the correlation?
Revelation 20 verse 4 explains the present
Reign of the faithful beheaded saints in heaven
And that’s the point- Christ reigns from where He’s at now
At the right hand of the Father since He sat down
Ruling in the midst of His enemies, they’re hostile
Extending His Kingdom through the spread of the gospel
But when’s the millennium? You might find it pretty stunning
The whole time between Jesus first and second coming
His first coming was the kingdom inaugurated
His second coming will be the kingdom consummated
And yes, there’s a rapture- still, this is clear
The rapture doesn’t mean Christians will disappear
It means they’ll be caught up, changed in a moment
The blessing of all who’ve been saved through atonement
His coming won’t be secret though and this is a fact
When Jesus comes back, it’s a wrap!
Chorus
Verse 3
The New Testament speaks of two ages, son
That’s the present evil age and the age to come
This age has murder, hate, we yearn and wait
The next age? A burning lake, eternal state
One question to ask if you hold a different view
Which age does the things you’re reading about fit into?
Something for your study I want to share and give
Revelation contains seven parallel narratives
And what they’re describing? Again it’s pretty stunning
The time between Christ’s first and second coming
The thousand year reign is not literal or physical
But Christ will return in full glory and visible
A few final comments, some food for thought
Keep your eyes on Christ, not the news reports
And even if we disagree, true believers hum with me
Come, Lord Jesus, come quickly!
Chorus
Read more at SHAI LINNE - THE MILLENNIUM LYRICS
Verse 1
In spreading Christ’s aroma, I’ve been a lot of places
Stood on many stages, seen a lot of faces
One question I’ve heard a thousand and ten times
“Yo Shai, tell me what’s your thoughts on the end times?”
In certain circles, I get all kinds of looks
When I tell them I disagree with the Left Behind books
Some get hostile, I tell them it’s not the gospel
Plus we shouldn’t take our theology from a novel
Or tradition- no need for tension or division
Because many Christians have embraced different positions
I do have a view, but I admit I could be wrong
This is secondary to the gospel we agree on
So this is non-essential bro, I’ll still defend it though
I hold to the view known as Amillennial
Songs this is not typical, it’s difficult
But I intend to show you exactly why it’s Biblical
Chorus
We in the last days, it’s the end times
No time for the spiritually thin rhymes
Yeah, gotta infiltrate your section
With Christ’s death, burial and resurrection
And when He comes back, see the sky crack
Where you at? Yeah, it’s like that
And when He comes back, see the sky crack
Where you at? Where you at?
Verse 2
So what do I mean when I say Amillennial?
It’s kind of complicated, I’ll try to keep it simple though
The primary Scriptural passage for meditation
Is found in the 20th chapter of Revelation
According to the Amillennial interpretation
Christ’s death on the cross greatly hindered the works of Satan
Bound him so he could no longer deceive the nations
John 12:31- See the correlation?
Revelation 20 verse 4 explains the present
Reign of the faithful beheaded saints in heaven
And that’s the point- Christ reigns from where He’s at now
At the right hand of the Father since He sat down
Ruling in the midst of His enemies, they’re hostile
Extending His Kingdom through the spread of the gospel
But when’s the millennium? You might find it pretty stunning
The whole time between Jesus first and second coming
His first coming was the kingdom inaugurated
His second coming will be the kingdom consummated
And yes, there’s a rapture- still, this is clear
The rapture doesn’t mean Christians will disappear
It means they’ll be caught up, changed in a moment
The blessing of all who’ve been saved through atonement
His coming won’t be secret though and this is a fact
When Jesus comes back, it’s a wrap!
Chorus
Verse 3
The New Testament speaks of two ages, son
That’s the present evil age and the age to come
This age has murder, hate, we yearn and wait
The next age? A burning lake, eternal state
One question to ask if you hold a different view
Which age does the things you’re reading about fit into?
Something for your study I want to share and give
Revelation contains seven parallel narratives
And what they’re describing? Again it’s pretty stunning
The time between Christ’s first and second coming
The thousand year reign is not literal or physical
But Christ will return in full glory and visible
A few final comments, some food for thought
Keep your eyes on Christ, not the news reports
And even if we disagree, true believers hum with me
Come, Lord Jesus, come quickly!
Chorus
Read more at SHAI LINNE - THE MILLENNIUM LYRICS
U
If you want to join a discussion about rap, then welcome, but if you want to continue to spew your theology debates, please keep it in the bible debate forums where it belongs.
Perhaps the reason you were banned on other sites wasn't your theology but your pushiness. I'm not doubting that is the case at all.
Perhaps the reason you were banned on other sites wasn't your theology but your pushiness. I'm not doubting that is the case at all.
i like Shai Linne too, & appreciate the sound doctrine in his lyrics very much.
i like Destiny Lab a lot too, more for their lyrical content than for their skillfulness as musicians, though they are not at all "poor" as far as being rappers - most of their lyrics are concerned with exposing and decrying idolatry, and with promoting Creationist science. this is a newer track from last year:
[video=youtube;PQPAqfqk9YE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQPAqfqk9YE[/video]
Lyrics:
WE LIVE IN HISTORIC TIMES AND IT'S INCREDIBLE TO SEE
WHAT'S UNFOLDING BEFORE OUR EYES
SO MANY LIES SO MUCH DECEPTION
I THINK WERE NEARING THE END IS WHAT IM GUESSIN
BUT AS A CHRISTIAN MY FAITH IS JUST STRENGTHENED
WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS ON THE HORIZON
AND IF WE HAVE TO WALK ON THE PATH
OF THE VALLEY OF DEATH WE WILL FEAR NO EVIL
BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A SEQUEL
TO THE GREATEST STORY EVERY TOLD WITHOUT AN EQUAL
AND SO WE SPEAK WITH ONE VOICE AND ONE VISION
WE WALK DAY TO DAY IN OUR FAITH ON A MISSION
WE ARE A SIGN OF THE TIMES
AND LIKE SANDS THROUGH THE HOURGLASS
SO ARE THE DAYS OF OUR LIVES
YOU ALL KNOW HOW TIME FLIES
AND CHRIST WILL RETURN LIKE A THIEF IN THE NIGHT
QUESTION IS ARE YOU READY FOR HIS COMING
ARE YOU PREPARED OR YOU SCARED AND RUNNIN?
WHY WOULD YOU RUN FROM THE ONE WHO MADE US?
WHO LOVED US ENOUGH THAT HE WOULD DIE TO SAVE US
WHY WOULD WE EVER TURN OUR BACKS ON THE TRUTH?
THINGS WE NEVER QUESTIONED IN THE DAYS OF OUR YOUTH
IT'S SAD BUT TRUE THERE'S NO EXCUSE
TO JUSTIFY DISBELIEF WHEN WE JUST REFUSE
AND ROMANS 1:25 SAYS IT ALL INSTEAD OF WORSHIPPING GOD
THEY WORSHIPPED ALL THEY SAW
THEY LOVED MATERIAL POSSESSIONS
BUT THEY LEFT EM ALL BEHIND AT THERE BURIAL PROCESSION
WHAT'S LEFT BEHIND IS NOT A SOUL BUT A SHADOW
THINK ABOUT IT WHERE DO YOU STAND IN THIS BATTLE?
ARE YOU FEARING OF GOD? YOU SHOULD BE
NEXT TO HIM WITHOUT SIN ALL OF US ARE GUILTY
THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD BE GOOD ENOUGH
THAT'S WHY CHRIST PAID THE PRICE ON THE CROSS NOW THAT'S LOVE
HAVE YOU BEEN RESCUED? HAVE YOU BEEN SAVED?
HAVE YOU BEEN GRANTED AFTERLIFE FROM THE GRAVE?
ASK YOURSELF IF YOU'RE READY FOR HIS COMING
ARE YOU PREPARED OR YOU SCARED AND RUNNIN?
ARE YOU RESCUED ARE YOU SAVED?
HAVE YOU BEEN GRANTED AFTERLIFE FROM THE GRAVE?
TELL ME FRIEND ARE YOU READY FOR HIS COMING?
ARE YOU PREPARED OR YA SCARED AND RUNNIN?
LIKE A VOICE IN THE WILDERNESS ARE YOU HEARIN THIS?
HAVE YOU REPENTED FOR YOUR SINS AND FOUND FORGIVENESS?
ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP WHAT YOU CALL HAPPINESS?
ITS ALL REALLY MEANINGLESS WE ALL DIE PENNILESS
ASK YOURSELF THIS ARE YOU A WITNESS?
ARE YOU DOING YOUR BEST TO WALK HIS FOOTSTEPS?
ARE YOU SEASONED WITH SALT WHEN YOU EXPLAIN THIS?
UNASHAMED TO PROCLAIM THE NAME OF JESUS?
NOT AFRAID TO DEFEND THE DEFENSELESS?
LIKE RED WHITE AND BLUE
STANDS FOR LIBERTY AND JUSTICE
A SUPERNATURAL TUG OF WAR
BETWEEN OUR FREE WILL AND CONSCIENCE
LIKE A KNOCK AT YOUR HEARTS DOOR
WILL YOU WALK THE NARROW PATH OR THE WIDE ONE?
IT MAY NOT BE EASY BUT YOU KNOW IT'S THE RIGHT ONE
EVERYONE OF US MUST MAKE THIS DECISION
THIS IS A SEARCH FOR TRUTH NOT RELIGION
IN OUR SELFISH WORLD WHERE ITS ALL ABOUT ME
COULD IT BE THAT WE FORGOT ABOUT WE?
WHO BELIEVES ANYMORE IN HUMILITY?
AND THAT IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO GIVE THAN RECIEVE?
IN THIS WORLD FULL OF SELF ESTEEM
BIG HOPES AND DREAMS OF BEING RICH AND HAVING BLING BLING
YOU THINK MONEY CAN FIX EVERYTHING?
WHEN YOUR'E DEAD YOU GONNA TAKE ANYTHING?
OH WHAT A SHAME IF YOUR NAMES BEEN ERASED
FROM THE BOOK OF LIFE BECAUSE YOU TORE OUT THE PAGE
WHO'S TO BLAME FOR THE CHOICES YOU MADE
THE ONLY TIME WHEN YOU PRAYED IS WHEN YOU WISHED FOR MORE THINGS
WHATS TO GAIN WHEN YOUR SOULS BEEN EXCHANGED
A HEAD FULL OF PLEASURE A HEART FULL OF PAIN
HAVE YOU BEEN RESCUED? HAVE YOU BEEN SAVED?
HAVE YOU BEEN GRANTED AFTERLIFE FROM THE GRAVE?
ASK YOURSELF IF YOU'RE READY FOR HIS COMING
ARE YOU PREPARED OR YOU SCARED AND RUNNIN?
ARE YOU RESCUED ARE YOU SAVED?
HAVE YOU BEEN GRANTED AFTERLIFE FROM THE GRAVE?
TELL ME FRIEND ARE YOU READY FOR HIS COMING?
ARE YOU PREPARED OR YA SCARED AND RUNNIN?
i like Destiny Lab a lot too, more for their lyrical content than for their skillfulness as musicians, though they are not at all "poor" as far as being rappers - most of their lyrics are concerned with exposing and decrying idolatry, and with promoting Creationist science. this is a newer track from last year:
[video=youtube;PQPAqfqk9YE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQPAqfqk9YE[/video]
Lyrics:
WE LIVE IN HISTORIC TIMES AND IT'S INCREDIBLE TO SEE
WHAT'S UNFOLDING BEFORE OUR EYES
SO MANY LIES SO MUCH DECEPTION
I THINK WERE NEARING THE END IS WHAT IM GUESSIN
BUT AS A CHRISTIAN MY FAITH IS JUST STRENGTHENED
WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS ON THE HORIZON
AND IF WE HAVE TO WALK ON THE PATH
OF THE VALLEY OF DEATH WE WILL FEAR NO EVIL
BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A SEQUEL
TO THE GREATEST STORY EVERY TOLD WITHOUT AN EQUAL
AND SO WE SPEAK WITH ONE VOICE AND ONE VISION
WE WALK DAY TO DAY IN OUR FAITH ON A MISSION
WE ARE A SIGN OF THE TIMES
AND LIKE SANDS THROUGH THE HOURGLASS
SO ARE THE DAYS OF OUR LIVES
YOU ALL KNOW HOW TIME FLIES
AND CHRIST WILL RETURN LIKE A THIEF IN THE NIGHT
QUESTION IS ARE YOU READY FOR HIS COMING
ARE YOU PREPARED OR YOU SCARED AND RUNNIN?
WHY WOULD YOU RUN FROM THE ONE WHO MADE US?
WHO LOVED US ENOUGH THAT HE WOULD DIE TO SAVE US
WHY WOULD WE EVER TURN OUR BACKS ON THE TRUTH?
THINGS WE NEVER QUESTIONED IN THE DAYS OF OUR YOUTH
IT'S SAD BUT TRUE THERE'S NO EXCUSE
TO JUSTIFY DISBELIEF WHEN WE JUST REFUSE
AND ROMANS 1:25 SAYS IT ALL INSTEAD OF WORSHIPPING GOD
THEY WORSHIPPED ALL THEY SAW
THEY LOVED MATERIAL POSSESSIONS
BUT THEY LEFT EM ALL BEHIND AT THERE BURIAL PROCESSION
WHAT'S LEFT BEHIND IS NOT A SOUL BUT A SHADOW
THINK ABOUT IT WHERE DO YOU STAND IN THIS BATTLE?
ARE YOU FEARING OF GOD? YOU SHOULD BE
NEXT TO HIM WITHOUT SIN ALL OF US ARE GUILTY
THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD BE GOOD ENOUGH
THAT'S WHY CHRIST PAID THE PRICE ON THE CROSS NOW THAT'S LOVE
HAVE YOU BEEN RESCUED? HAVE YOU BEEN SAVED?
HAVE YOU BEEN GRANTED AFTERLIFE FROM THE GRAVE?
ASK YOURSELF IF YOU'RE READY FOR HIS COMING
ARE YOU PREPARED OR YOU SCARED AND RUNNIN?
ARE YOU RESCUED ARE YOU SAVED?
HAVE YOU BEEN GRANTED AFTERLIFE FROM THE GRAVE?
TELL ME FRIEND ARE YOU READY FOR HIS COMING?
ARE YOU PREPARED OR YA SCARED AND RUNNIN?
LIKE A VOICE IN THE WILDERNESS ARE YOU HEARIN THIS?
HAVE YOU REPENTED FOR YOUR SINS AND FOUND FORGIVENESS?
ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP WHAT YOU CALL HAPPINESS?
ITS ALL REALLY MEANINGLESS WE ALL DIE PENNILESS
ASK YOURSELF THIS ARE YOU A WITNESS?
ARE YOU DOING YOUR BEST TO WALK HIS FOOTSTEPS?
ARE YOU SEASONED WITH SALT WHEN YOU EXPLAIN THIS?
UNASHAMED TO PROCLAIM THE NAME OF JESUS?
NOT AFRAID TO DEFEND THE DEFENSELESS?
LIKE RED WHITE AND BLUE
STANDS FOR LIBERTY AND JUSTICE
A SUPERNATURAL TUG OF WAR
BETWEEN OUR FREE WILL AND CONSCIENCE
LIKE A KNOCK AT YOUR HEARTS DOOR
WILL YOU WALK THE NARROW PATH OR THE WIDE ONE?
IT MAY NOT BE EASY BUT YOU KNOW IT'S THE RIGHT ONE
EVERYONE OF US MUST MAKE THIS DECISION
THIS IS A SEARCH FOR TRUTH NOT RELIGION
IN OUR SELFISH WORLD WHERE ITS ALL ABOUT ME
COULD IT BE THAT WE FORGOT ABOUT WE?
WHO BELIEVES ANYMORE IN HUMILITY?
AND THAT IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO GIVE THAN RECIEVE?
IN THIS WORLD FULL OF SELF ESTEEM
BIG HOPES AND DREAMS OF BEING RICH AND HAVING BLING BLING
YOU THINK MONEY CAN FIX EVERYTHING?
WHEN YOUR'E DEAD YOU GONNA TAKE ANYTHING?
OH WHAT A SHAME IF YOUR NAMES BEEN ERASED
FROM THE BOOK OF LIFE BECAUSE YOU TORE OUT THE PAGE
WHO'S TO BLAME FOR THE CHOICES YOU MADE
THE ONLY TIME WHEN YOU PRAYED IS WHEN YOU WISHED FOR MORE THINGS
WHATS TO GAIN WHEN YOUR SOULS BEEN EXCHANGED
A HEAD FULL OF PLEASURE A HEART FULL OF PAIN
HAVE YOU BEEN RESCUED? HAVE YOU BEEN SAVED?
HAVE YOU BEEN GRANTED AFTERLIFE FROM THE GRAVE?
ASK YOURSELF IF YOU'RE READY FOR HIS COMING
ARE YOU PREPARED OR YOU SCARED AND RUNNIN?
ARE YOU RESCUED ARE YOU SAVED?
HAVE YOU BEEN GRANTED AFTERLIFE FROM THE GRAVE?
TELL ME FRIEND ARE YOU READY FOR HIS COMING?
ARE YOU PREPARED OR YA SCARED AND RUNNIN?
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I like this song and video because it goes back to the roots of Christian rap. The best way to get the music into the right hands is by dealing it, like a drug dealer would. Of course, this music is not for the faint of heart or people who only see Christianity as the clean white linen and beautifully organized pews inside a church. Christian music finds people where they are at and brings them to the foot of Jesus so that they may repent and receive salvation.