Is Jesus Christ YHWH God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob??

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Cup-of-Ruin

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Definition_Christ said:
God is one being, yes. No one is claiming God is two separate beings. God is however 3 separate Persons.. God is ECHAD just as the Shema says..


Speaking of logic, "now only the Father can remarry Her, so the Son must be the Father"??? That's your idea of logic. I think that's a very carnal and basic level of interpreting Scripture.
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Eventually by your logic you will have to deny the Diety of Christ, and as a messianic Jew, you will end up denying Jesus Christ, in fact you already have whether you know it or not. I however know that Jesus Christ is the Father God Almighty, and He declared Himself so, and I will be reserrected and judged by only Jesus Christ who is the LORD!
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Cup-of-Ruin said:
If God can be divided into three then He is not one, that just logic. He is either one or He is not, he is more than one.

Now the Holy Spirit is said to be the Father of the Son, because the Son was begotten of woman, God the Father was married to the children of Israel, now only the Father can remarry Her, so the Son must be the Father.
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Three omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent beings must be one in will and purpose. There is no logical problem with three being one, but the trinity is unique and no examples quite match it.
 
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Definition_Christ

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Cup-of-Ruin said:
Eventually by your logic you will have to deny the Diety of Christ, and as a messianic Jew, you will end up denying Jesus Christ, in fact you already have whether you know it or not. I however know that Jesus Christ is the Father God Almighty, and He declared Himself so, and I will be reserrected and judged by only Jesus Christ who is the LORD!
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I have never denied the deity of Jesus. I believe fully in the divine Messiah. Jesus never declared He is the Father.. He however did claim the Father is greater than Him.
 
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Definition_Christ

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joint-heir said:
Makes me a JOINT-HEIR but JESUS is GOD and GOD is capable of anything and all things.
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So you are claiming you are the Father because you have the Holy Spirit in you? Jesus is only saying the Spirit of the Father is IN Him and He is IN the Father and you say He is the Father ?
 
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charisenexcelcis

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joint-heir said:
COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 SAYS JESUS is the image of the invisible GOD and CREATOR of ALL things FOR HIM BY HIM.

SO with this JESUS was and has been already the GODHEAD for JESUS alone is ALPHA and OMEGA and none of the other 2 can make this claim only JESUS...

Why cant they make this claim????

BECAUSE
JESUS is the FATHER and HOLY GHOST
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So, answer the question. Yes or no. Was the godhead complete before the incarnation?
 
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Definition_Christ

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[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi2nAHPpgvI[/video]
 
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Graybeard

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joint-heir why do you choose to ignore my question??
 
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Definition_Christ said:
So you are claiming you are the Father because you have the Holy Spirit in you? Jesus is only saying the Spirit of the Father is IN Him and He is IN the Father and you say He is the Father ?
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I can now see why you cant understand ONENESS you cant even understand JOINT-HEIR.
 
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Graybeard

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I give up with you all as I'm starting to get dirty with all the mud slinging....enjoy yourselves.
 
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Definition_Christ

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joint-heir said:
I can now see why you cant understand ONENESS you cant even understand JOINT-HEIR.
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I understand Modalism but I don't believe in it because it's not true. However you are claiming because Jesus said the Holy Spirit (Spirit of God/the Father) is in Him.. That is saying He is the Father..

So my question was, because the Holy Spirit(the Spirit of the Father) is in you.. Does that make you the Father because He is in you and you are in Him?
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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Definition_Christ said:
I have never denied the deity of Jesus. I believe fully in the divine Messiah. Jesus never declared He is the Father.. He however did claim the Father is greater than Him.
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Ahhhaaa, yes you are a Messianic Jew, and hence your error.
 
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Graybeard said:
but The Holy Spirit only came onto Jesus after He was baptized with water....
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to be our example of all what is needed to complete your transformation from sinner to saved by baptism and accepting JESUS and recieving HOLY GHOST JESUS had to be baptised also. at this moment when HE came out of the water HIS complete DEITY transpired to reaveal HE is more than HE appeared.
 
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Definition_Christ said:
I understand Modalism but I don't believe in it because it's not true. However you are claiming because Jesus said the Holy Spirit (Spirit of God/the Father) is in Him.. That is saying He is the Father..

So my question was, because the Holy Spirit(the Spirit of the Father) is in you.. Does that make you the Father because He is in you and you are in Him?
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Im not here to convince you of anything, but if there are 3 bodies then the Bible would also specify 3 thrones for them since if they are equal then the have no other gods before me would be conflicted to say there is only 1 throne. who sits on the 1 throne? who gets to step back from HIS deity to allow only 1 be in the throne of GOD. to believe there are 3 tells me i have a bridge over the desert sand of Arizona which i live want to buy some ocean front property near it?
 
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Definition_Christ

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Im not here to convince you of anything, but if there are 3 bodies then the Bible would also specify 3 thrones for them since if they are equal then the have no other gods before me would be conflicted to say there is only 1 throne. who sits on the 1 throne? who gets to step back from HIS deity to allow only 1 be in the throne of GOD. to believe there are 3 tells me i have a bridge over the desert sand of Arizona which i live want to buy some ocean front property near it?
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Hebrews 8
1 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
2 a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.
3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer.
4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law;
5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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Definition_Christ said:
You are a Oneness Hyper-Calvinist.. Hence your error..???
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I'm a Christian, the Kingdom rests upon His shoulders- Jesus Christ, yet you claim there is one greater, whom is that? There is none Greater then Jesus Christ, He is Almighty God and in His Name I am saved.
 
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Definition_Christ said:
Hebrews 8
1 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
2 a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.
3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer.
4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law;
5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
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you do realize right hand of majesty is just that the body of JESUS it is the literal right hand of the power of GOD
 
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