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Hebrews 10:16-17:

Thisis the covenant I will make with them after that time,says the Lord. ‘I will put my laws intheir hearts,and I will write them ontheir minds.’ Then he adds: ‘Their sins and lawless actsI willremember no more.’” (NIV, emphasis mine)

As I have previouslymentioned, the New Covenant hinges on not one, but two core points. At thepoint of conversion, the Holy Spirit writes the law on our minds and places iton our hearts. We have then been born again. We have been changed into people whowant to obey in our hearts the law God desires us to keep. At the very momentthis happens, we are not under law but under grace, for we have a Saviour from oursin. Our sins and lawless acts will be remembered no more. You see, friend,Jesus cannot be your Saviour from sin unless you are born again. For He willnot be anyone’s Saviour from sin unless they desire in their heart to live asHis Father wants them to. You see, God is not stupid. He didn’t make a covenantthat would give anyone a license to sin if the penalty for sin were removed. Bornagain people cannot view this covenant that way, for they want to obey fromtheir hearts. That is the whole point of being born again. If you want to obeyGod from your heart, as I have previously mentioned, it is impossible for youthen to wilfully − without conscience − seek to break God’s laws. It cannothappen, friend. Jesus said to Nicodemus, “Ye must be born again.” (emphasis mine) It is not an option; it ispivotal. Without that happening, you cannot be saved.
You see, no matter which countryyou live in, you are expected to obey the laws of your land, aren’t you? Thatdoesn’t mean, however, you want to obey them all in your heart, does it. Theyare legal laws written down (or typed) on pieces of paper; they are not placedin your heart. Because that is the case, there is a penalty attached to themfor non-compliance to dissuade you from breaking them, isn’t there? And thatpenalty deters most from breaking whichever laws of their land they do not wantto obey in their hearts. If the penalty wasn’t there, you could happily go androb a bank and suddenly become a millionaire, couldn’t you? After all, what is thereto stop you? You see, however, the law God requires you to keep has beentransferred from an external law written on tablets of stone, to an internallaw written on tablets of human hearts. Paul states in 2 Corinthians 3:3, [SUP][/SUP]Youshow that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written notwith ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.(NIV, emphasis mine)
Now, friend, why would thelaw be transferred onto your heart if the penalty for sin (breaking the law)must remain for you? If the penalty must remain, the law would remain where itwas, wouldn’t it? So, because Christians have been born again, they are notunder law but under grace. Paul preached the New Covenant, and he preached itmightily. You have been changed into someone who wants to obey God in yourheart, and because that has happened, your sins and lawless acts will beremembered no more. You are in a covenant of grace. You are not under the lawfor righteousness before God.
No matter how much bornagain people want to obey, however, they never will perfectly obey the wholelaw of God. If anyone could have done that, there would have been no need forJesus to die for our sins, for then we could have attained Heaven under thelaw.
You see, friend, there is apass mark, if you like, of obedience to the law to be righteous before Godunder it, and that pass mark is beyond man to achieve, for that pass mark is100 percent perfect obedience. James 2:10 states, “For whoever keeps the wholelaw and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.” (NIV)
James is quite clear,friend. If you stumble at just one point under the law, it is as if you havebroken all of it. In Galatians 3:10-11, Paulagrees with James:

For all who rely on the works of the law are undera curse, as it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue to doeverything written in the Book of the Law.’Clearly no one whorelies on the law is justified before God, because ‘the righteous will live byfaith.’ (NIV)

Paul is telling us if werely on works of the law to save us, we are under a curse, for then we wouldhave to do everything written in the law. He states that no one could ever bejustified before God this way, for they cannot perfectly obey the whole law andreach the pass mark required under it. The righteous, therefore, will live byfaith.
Now some try to mix a bitof law with a bit of faith, but that is not possible either. Paul states inRomans 4:14: “For if those who depend onthe law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, because the law brings wrath.” (NIV)
That is also clear, friend.If you rely on obedience to the law, faith can mean nothing to you; therefore,you are cut off from grace, for grace comes through faith. The reason lawbrings wrath is because you cannot meet the standard set under it to berighteous before God. There is only onecovenant, friend, and that covenant is pure grace, not diluted grace. Suchgrace does not exist.
My uncle was a gamekeeper.Often in the evenings when it was dark, he and his son would drive to the edgeof a field and park the van so that it faced the field. Everything was always quietand peaceful when they arrived; hardly a sound came from the field. My cousinwould climb into the back of the van with a gun in his hand. When he was wellpositioned, my uncle turned on the headlights and lit up much of the field. Allof a sudden rabbits scurried around in a very animated fashion. They bolted totry to get away from the glare of the headlights, for they sensed there wasgreat danger in them. Now, friend, it would be a very stupid rabbit that rantoward the headlights, wouldn’t it? For it would be scampering to where thedanger lay. Now before you become a Christian you are a sinner, but inignorance of that fact. You carry on in the dark breaking the law of God,without being perturbed by it, for you don’t know the danger that exists byyour sin, do you? Your sin will hurt you. It can bring much misery to you, butyou will not recognise you are being hurt through sin. Once you become aChristian, however, the spotlight is turned on. You are now conscious of yoursin and the headlights that bring the sin to light is the law. Now you panicbecause you see great danger, for your sin can condemn you. Where will you runto escape the danger? Will you run to a law of righteousness or to Jesus? Itwouldn’t be very sensible to run anywhere other than to safety, would it? Yousee, the law makes you conscious of your sin, but the law cannot save you fromsin; only Jesus can. Paul states in Romans 3:20, “Therefore no one
willbe declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law [striving to obeythe law]; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.” (NIV)
Now if you run to a law of righteousness,you have rejected Jesus as your Saviour, haven’t you? You are now your ownSaviour from sin. Either you defeat it or you are condemned to hell. Yoursinful nature is going to relish this battle, for it is one it cannot lose. If yoursinful nature could lose it, there would have been no need for Jesus to die onthe cross, would there? Now though you may not consciously understand the passmark to attain Heaven under the law, you will have to set out in this battle tryingto achieve it, won’t you? For you will know that no sin is acceptable to God.You are now in a worse position than people were under the Old Covenant, forsacrifices for sin could be made then, but you are not under that covenant, areyou? There is only one sacrifice for sin under the New Covenant, but you haverejected it. You had a Saviour from sin for the briefest of moments. You didn’tbecome saved by obeying God’s laws, did you? You were saved because Jesus diedfor you, but now you must save yourself from sin or you are condemned.
Everything has changed, however. The sinfulnature is not now carrying on in the dark doing what it wants to do. It hasbeen brought into the light and exposed. Before it stands a law ofrighteousness, which gives your sinful nature power over you. For it can onlycondemn you through the penalty for sin attached to God’s laws, can’t it? Thatis where its true power over you lies. If you live under a law of righteousness,the penalty for sin remains. If you live under grace, the penalty of sin hasbeen removed. Now Paul believed sin will not be your master, for you are notunder law but under grace. So he is really saying that sin will not be yourmaster, for you are not under the penalty attached to the law if you break it.
You see, it is the penalty of sin thatmakes you so fearful of sin, and your fear of sin produces great allurement inyou to sin. If I said to you, “If you think of a pink rabbit, God will condemn youto hell,” what is the first thing you will think of if you believe me? Youwould try desperately never to think of such a creature, wouldn’t you? Youwould become agitated at the thought of a pink rabbit. You would be, animated,overwrought, disturbed, nervous, and panic stricken at the thought of thecreature. You would end up in a frenzied state concerning it, I imagine. Nowthe more these emotions overcome you concerning the creature, the more thethought of the creature will overwhelm you; it will become irresistible. Yousee, however, as you know there is no penalty of condemnation in place if youthink of a pink rabbit, you will not get worked up about it, will you? Paulstates Romans 7:5-6:

For when we were in the realm of the flesh, thesinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruitfor death.But now, by dying to what once bound us, we havebeen released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, andnot in the old way of the written code. (NIV)

Paul tells us the lawarouses sinful passions in us when we live under it. For he goes on to say wedie to the law − we have been released from the law (of righteousness) asChristians and serve in the new way of the Spirit, not the old way of thewritten code (the law). Why does he say thelaw arouses sinful passions for those living under it?
Well, you see, the same emotions that wouldovercome you at the thought of a pink rabbit, if you believed such thoughtscould condemn you, would also overcome you where sin is concerned if you liveunder the law. The penalty for sin is in place if you live under the law, isn’tit? Your sin, therefore can condemn you to hell. You would be extremelyagitated at the thought of sin. You would be animated, overwrought, disturbed,nervous, and panic stricken at the thought of sin. Now the more these emotions concerningsin overcome you, the more sin will overwhelm you, and the more your ability toresist sin will weaken. Why is this? Because those emotions bring you to anexcited state, friend. They are all bar panic-stricken definitions of the word excite. And the definition of panic-stricken is “frenzy,” and the definitionof frenzy is “wild excitement.” Theemotions that result from your fear of the penalty for sin bring you to a veryexcited (or aroused) state where sin is concerned. If you live under the law, therefore,your fear of breaking it (sin) results in sinful passions being aroused in you.That is why Paul tells us the law arouses sinful passions in us if we liveunder it.
Now I would not want you to be under themisapprehension that God gave the law to Moses at Mt. Sinai so it would arouse sinfulpassions in people. I would remind you of King David’s bottom line before God, forhe lived under the Old Covenant. He trusted in God’s unfailing love for him. Hesaid no one was righteous before God. So he didn’t trust in a righteousness ofhis own under the law to attain Heaven, did he? He loved God and knew he wassecure in God’s love for him, so he delighted in obeying God’s laws out of his lovefor God. That is how all should have viewed the law, but most didn’t.
Now under the New Covenant, God shows His unfailinglove to us by sending His Son to be an atonement for our sin. Many neglect thatunfailing love, however, just as they did under the Old Covenant. They becomeChristians and hinge their hope of Heaven on striving to obey the law ratherthan faith in what Jesus did for them at Calvary. They are then overcome withemotions that bring them to an excited state at the thought of sin. The lawthen arouses sinful passions in them, which results in the sin growing strongerand them growing weaker in the faith. You see, however, sinful passions beingaroused in people are not the fault of God’s laws, for the reason this happensis because people are ignoring the expression of God’s unfailing love for them.They are insisting on being justified before God, not by faith in His Son, butby works of the law. As I have previously mentioned, the Apostle Paul continuallypleads in his letters for people not to seek such a justification before God,but many refuse to accept it. And yet who better than Paul knew the futility ofseeking such a justification. For he said as a Pharisee he was the chief ofsinners.
You see, the harder you try to be goodenough for God by observing the law, the more agitated you will become at thethought of breaking it, and the more aroused and excited you will then becomeby the thought of sin. The Pharisees of Jesus’ day proved this to be true. No onemore than they hinged their hope of Heaven on being good enough under the law.What was the result? They became full of hypocrisy, wickedness, and everything unclean on the inside.They could fool the people, for they appeared Godly and righteous on theoutside, but they couldn’t fool Jesus. They had shut God’s love, mercy, andcompassion out of their lives. It was all about what they − by their ownstriving and effort − could achieve. They failed abysmally by taking such aroute, however, as Jesus words show us.
If you want to live a Godlylife you must embrace grace, friend, and that is the only way you will everhave true peace. If you allow yourself to live under the law, it will arouse sinfulpassions in you. That is the belief of the person who wrote half the books ofthe New Testament. You have to accept you are righteous in God’s sight by faithin His Son. You have to accept the penalty of sin has been removed from yourlife if you don’t want sin to be your master. You have to accept you are in acovenant of great love, mercy, and sacrifice. You see, when you repent and askJesus into your life as Lord and Saviour of it, theHoly Spirit will immediately write the law on your mind and place it on yourheart. You don’t have to ask Him to do it, and you don’t have to believe Hewill do it. He will do it. But youare asked to believe the other core truth on which the new covenant hinges: Their sins and lawless acts I will rememberno more. Only if you have both parts of this covenant in your life can theright result be achieved. The first part brings rebirth to you, for you areborn again. The second part of the covenant takes away the penalty for yourfailure to obey the law perfectly. You see, however, though God has removed thepenalty of sin from you, the law God desires you to keep remains on your heart.It is not possible, therefore, to use such grace as a licence to sin.
So when this covenant is working like awell-oiled machine, when we accept both parts of it, how does this work out inour lives? We will be acutely consciousof the failings in us − our sin − sin we hate, sin we do not want, for we havebeen born again. But we do not let thesin condemn us. We look to Jesus and cling to Him, trusting He (not we) is ourright standing before God, for He is our Saviour. We trust Him to give us victoryover the sin we are enslaved by. By doing this we are living not under law butunder grace. Sin’s power in our lives is now dealt a crushing blow, for Paultells us where the power of sin lies. He states in 1 Corinthians 15:56, “Thepower of sin is the law.” (NIV)
Why does Paul state this? Well Paul isreferring here to the law with its penalty in place for breaking it. As we haveseen, the true power of sin is in the penalty attached to the law if you breakit, for through that penalty sin has the power to condemn you to hell, andthrough the fear of that penalty many sinful passions are aroused in you. Withthe penalty of sin removed from you, sin has been robbed of its true power inand dominance over your life. For your righteousness before God rests in whatJesus did for you at Calvary, not obedience to the law.
The great Evangelist Kathryn Khulman said, “Christdied to pay the penalty of your sin, and he died to break the power of sin.” Byachieving the first, the second automatically follows.
God created a covenant whereby he put thedesire in your heart to obey Him − you have been born again. Because that isthe case, Jesus paid the penalty of your sin, but though he paid the penalty ofyour sin, the law remains intact on your heart. By Jesus paying that penalty, Heremoved the true power of sin from your life. Now what happens, friend, if youtake the power of something away? It must weaken, mustn’t it? Nothing else ispossible. The Christian’s born again heartfelt desire to obey can now come tofruition, for Jesus’ sacrifice at Calvary has fatally weakened sin, which iswhat opposes obedience. So Paul states in Romans 3:31, “Do we,then, nullify the law by this faith? [a righteousness of faith in Christ-notobedience to the law] Not at all!Rather, we uphold the law.” (NIV, emphasis mine)
 
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Some do, some do not. Personally, Adultery had never crossed my mind until God started showing me in His word.
I wrote on a different website. ''If we have to read the Ten commandments in the bible to know how God wants us to live we have a problem.'' Suprisingly(I thought) a Seventh Day Adventist said ''Amen''
 
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Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come Gal3:19

Do you disagree with Paul?
In our translations the word "law" is an arbitray term menaing different things. Torah is the original law that God gave to Moses. It means teaching and instructions.

There is a law of sin and death which didn't mean Torah. Righteous and life opposed to sin and death came through God's Word.
There is a letter of the law adding Pharisaical thoughts via the talmud but that doesn't make the talmud bad when those actions are founded on faith.
There is a the spirit of the law which is the actions manifested as correct by the Torah, but without faith they mean nothing.
There is the law of liberty is adhering to the instructions, no longer being condemned by it.

When using scripture to prove a point, all aspect must be considered accordingly.

Yes the law was added because of transgression so we could see why we need a Savior foreshadowed by the sacrifices made in the temple and other places that God chose. When we are forgiven for those revealed transgressions by the Torah and repent the "until" doesn't make the word of God disappear. On the contrary, the Torah also instructs us in righteousness and the consequence of heeding those instructions are blessings rather than cursings. So the law entered to instruct us how to escape the cursings and this all became blessings through Christ which is the Seed. I agree with Paul.

By the way a burnt offering foreshadows devotion to God Almighty and a peace offering signifies connection and communication with God. This is all through Christ Jesus. Remember why the veil separating us from the Holy of Holies was torn asunder opening to us the ability to boldly enter into the presence of God Almighty. Remember that Jesus said the He was the door.

Denying the law makes one "lawless" doesn't it?
 
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to an extent, you're right. I don't know what your relationship with God looks like. But as I said it is a slippery slope to say that it is ok to not do what God said to do and still say you love Him.
But, I didn't say that. I said I am doing things you probably aren't..... therefore, to your way of looking at it, you are now the one not doing something I believe God says to do.

Is this right or loving for me to impose upon you?
 
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Romans 10:3,4
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Christ is the end of law . It's very simple. Those who make a boast in law keeping are slaves to carnal law keeping and not to faith in Christ that works by love done through the Spirit. You can't have it both ways. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.The law is only kept automatically through faith working by love without observing it. Faith working by Love keeps us from transgressing the Law.......

Romans 8:1-8
1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


.......but attempting to observe the law as a written command brings the curse of condemnation. Christ is of no effect to you who look to the law. Everything that does not come from faith is sin. Do you see law or do you live by faith in Christ that works by love? For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
 

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But, I didn't say that. I said I am doing things you probably aren't..... therefore, to your way of looking at it, you are now the one not doing something I believe God says to do.

Is this right or loving for me to impose upon you?
If we're just taking about things we believe God says to do, you're exactly right. But if we're talking about what God says to do in His Word, that is an important standard to keep. That's where the slippery slope is. Even if God says not to murder and I don't believe He wants me to do it, we have a problem.

I'm not saying you're doing that though, brother. Just pointing out that that line of thinking is a slippery slope.
 

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LOL this is all pure invention. you have been listening to the fools of this world. Easter has nothing to do with Ashtaroth, a goddess (or being in the plural, representations of a goddess) and therefore not Baal. Provide your basic evidence (not a citation from some stupid googled site. Original documents please).

No doubt you will also provide EVIDENCE for your claim that colored eggs, bunnies and hot cross buns are directly associated with the worship of Ashtaroth? If not you are guilty of misrepresentation.

Easter celebrates the day of resurrection, and as we do not know when that was we can select any Sunday. Pesach has nothing to do with us. It was a celebration during which Israelites united with their forebears in the deliverance from Egypt. When Jesus said, 'Do this as often as you drink it' He did not mean every Passover. He meant whenever we drink red wine. If you want to keep Passover you are welcome. We will celebrate the death and resurrection of our LORD Jesus Christ.
As it happens Easter Sunday is calculated
as the first Sunday following the full moon after the March equinox, in other words close to Passover which was on or about the full moon after the March equinox (the 14th day after the new moon). In this way it is directly related to Passover whilst occurring on the Lord's Day. The origin of the name Easter (which is the only thing which can be questioned) is 'anyone's guess', but was not used of it by the early church in the first few centuries after Christ as far as we know. But the day itself is calculated on the basis of Scripture..

 
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John 9:41
Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
 
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Romans 10:3,4
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Christ is the end of law . It's very simple. Those who make a boast in law keeping are slaves to carnal law keeping and not to faith in Christ that works by love done through the Spirit. You can't have it both ways. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.The law is only kept automatically through faith working by love without observing it. Faith working by Love keeps us from transgressing the Law.......

Romans 8:1-8
1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


.......but attempting to observe the law as a written command brings the curse of condemnation. Christ is of no effect to you who look to the law. Everything that does not come from faith is sin. Do you see law or do you live by faith in Christ that works by love? For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Read Romans 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."

and then Acts 24:14. "But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets"

These are Paul's words. The word "end" in Romans 10:4 "end" means (Strong's 5056) to set out for a definite point or goal; properly, the point aimed at as a limit. DONE and ACCOMPLISHED not negated. Jesus said that it was "finished" just before He died on the cross. This is in relation to the word "end." Strong's 5055 to end, i.e. complete, execute, conclude, discharge (a debt):--accomplish.

Christ is the accomplishment of the law unto righteousness. He accomplished the goal set before Him
 
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Roman 7:4-6
4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
 
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Read Romans 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."

and then Acts 24:14. "But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets"

These are Paul's words. The word "end" in Romans 10:4 "end" means (Strong's 5056) to set out for a definite point or goal; properly, the point aimed at as a limit. DONE and ACCOMPLISHED not negated. Jesus said that it was "finished" just before He died on the cross. This is in relation to the word "end." Strong's 5055 to end, i.e. complete, execute, conclude, discharge (a debt):--accomplish.

Christ is the accomplishment of the law unto righteousness. He accomplished the goal set before Him
Stop cherry picking and look at the whole context of the NT .......
 
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Roman 7:4-6
4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
But as Jesus said:

Many after drinking the old wine don't want the new, for they say. ''The old is better'' Luke5:39
 

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Romans 10:3,4
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Christ is the end of law . It's very simple. Those who make a boast in law keeping are slaves to carnal law keeping and not to faith in Christ that works by love done through the Spirit. You can't have it both ways. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.The law is only kept automatically through faith working by love without observing it. Faith working by Love keeps us from transgressing the Law.......

Romans 8:1-8
1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


.......but attempting to observe the law as a written command brings the curse of condemnation. Christ is of no effect to you who look to the law. Everything that does not come from faith is sin. Do you see law or do you live by faith in Christ that works by love? For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Stop cherry picking and look at the whole context of the NT .......

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

The word for "end" here is...

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From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.

It means outcome or point aimed at. This word, G5056 τέλος, is used other places in the N.T., let's look at them...

1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Yep, G5056 τέλος is the word used here for end. So, is your faith obliterated? Done away with? Brought to an end? or is it brought to an outcome of salvation?

Jas 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

Same word, G5056 τέλος, for end here. Is this the obliteration of the Lord? The doing away with Him? The use of the word is determined by context. Let's see how a few other translations render it...

New International Version:
Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

International Standard Version:
For the Messiah is the culmination of the Law as far as righteousness is concerned for everyone who believes

Aramaic Bible in Plain English:
For The Messiah is the consummation of The Written Law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

The sense of it is the end result, not the obliteration.

Rom 2:13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;

I wish I had a nickel for every time someone has misused Rom 10:4
 
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As it happens Easter Sunday is calculated
as the first Sunday following the full moon after the March equinox, in other words close to Passover which was on or about the full moon after the March equinox (the 14th day after the new moon). In this way it is directly related to Passover whilst occurring on the Lord's Day. The origin of the name Easter (which is the only thing which can be questioned) is 'anyone's guess', but was not used of it by the early church in the first few centuries after Christ as far as we know. But the day itself is calculated on the basis of Scripture..
The origin of the English word Easter is Ashtaroth the Babylonian goddess of fertility.
 
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2 Corinthians 3:7-18
7But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

notice the context of the NT?
 
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I am am relating to God in love. And that is often demonstrated through obeying God. Not just saying it. Obedience to Him sometime involves ritual and ceremony. But if that ritual and ceremony is done without love, it is worthless.
No, Obeying him does not involve ritual and ceremony, God only introduced ritual and ceremony as a teaching tool. so when Christ came, they would know it was him.

God wants a relationship with you. Not you to repetatively over and over do things which mean nothing for you or him.

Christ came, the law is no longer needed once you realise this.
 
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Again, it's not just ritualism of the Law. It's love for God expressed in action, sometimes ritual.

Yet paul said when you go back to that, he fears for you. And fears he did his work in vein,

Why will you not listen to paul? Why would paul make such a harsh warning against ritualism, if ritualism can be good in any sense?
 
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If we're just taking about things we believe God says to do, you're exactly right. But if we're talking about what God says to do in His Word, that is an important standard to keep. That's where the slippery slope is. Even if God says not to murder and I don't believe He wants me to do it, we have a problem.

I'm not saying you're doing that though, brother. Just pointing out that that line of thinking is a slippery slope.
No, what I choose to do is probably one of the MOST instructed things we are left with...(yet few of us do)... not just something I thought might be nice.