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Since sex is only used for reproduction in the animal kingdom. Some animals are even monogamous; females never let males have sex unless they are in their mating season, so why should we human beings use anticonceptives to have sex just for an egoistic pleasure? Isn´t reproduction the original and natural purpose of sex? Then what should be the purpose of sex for us Christians?
2. It's for reproduction and pleasure.
To God sex is a beautiful thing when done in the right time.
S
Excerpts from an interesting science article:
"Who can say," interrogates Dr. Dixon, "that these excesses are not often followed by direful diseases, insanity and consumption? The records of our madhouses, and the melancholy deaths by consumption, of the newly married, bear ample witness to the truth of this assertion. Are they not transmitted to posterity? Look at the frequent mental imbecility, and the pallid hue, and attenuated form of the children who are the earlier products of marriage, and see the parents vibrating between life and the grave, until the candid physician, or the terrors of death teach them to abstain."
"Who can say," interrogates Dr. Dixon, "that these excesses are not often followed by direful diseases, insanity and consumption? The records of our madhouses, and the melancholy deaths by consumption, of the newly married, bear ample witness to the truth of this assertion. Are they not transmitted to posterity? Look at the frequent mental imbecility, and the pallid hue, and attenuated form of the children who are the earlier products of marriage, and see the parents vibrating between life and the grave, until the candid physician, or the terrors of death teach them to abstain."
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Excerpts from an interesting science article:
"Who can say," interrogates Dr. Dixon, "that these excesses are not often followed by direful diseases, insanity and consumption? The records of our madhouses, and the melancholy deaths by consumption, of the newly married, bear ample witness to the truth of this assertion. Are they not transmitted to posterity? Look at the frequent mental imbecility, and the pallid hue, and attenuated form of the children who are the earlier products of marriage, and see the parents vibrating between life and the grave, until the candid physician, or the terrors of death teach them to abstain."
"Who can say," interrogates Dr. Dixon, "that these excesses are not often followed by direful diseases, insanity and consumption? The records of our madhouses, and the melancholy deaths by consumption, of the newly married, bear ample witness to the truth of this assertion. Are they not transmitted to posterity? Look at the frequent mental imbecility, and the pallid hue, and attenuated form of the children who are the earlier products of marriage, and see the parents vibrating between life and the grave, until the candid physician, or the terrors of death teach them to abstain."
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Excerpts from an interesting science article:
"Who can say," interrogates Dr. Dixon, "that these excesses are not often followed by direful diseases, insanity and consumption? The records of our madhouses, and the melancholy deaths by consumption, of the newly married, bear ample witness to the truth of this assertion. Are they not transmitted to posterity? Look at the frequent mental imbecility, and the pallid hue, and attenuated form of the children who are the earlier products of marriage, and see the parents vibrating between life and the grave, until the candid physician, or the terrors of death teach them to abstain."
"Who can say," interrogates Dr. Dixon, "that these excesses are not often followed by direful diseases, insanity and consumption? The records of our madhouses, and the melancholy deaths by consumption, of the newly married, bear ample witness to the truth of this assertion. Are they not transmitted to posterity? Look at the frequent mental imbecility, and the pallid hue, and attenuated form of the children who are the earlier products of marriage, and see the parents vibrating between life and the grave, until the candid physician, or the terrors of death teach them to abstain."
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Does it matter? This is pure science:
Of all members of the mammalian family, civilized man alone is a victim of an exaggerated and morbid sexual urge, a condition which he has inflicted, to a certain extent, on the animals which he has domesticated and which have adopted his diet, especially the dog. Wild animals in a state of nature practice copulation only at certain mating seasons for the purpose of reproduction. Civilized man practices this act at all times, and in most cases without intention to conceive. On the other hand, so-called savages and primitive races leading more natural lives and who follow their natural instincts to a greater extent are far chaste in their sexual behavior, as noted by Havelock Ellis. Such considerations must lead one to the conclusion that the sex life of civilized men is unnatural and that the excessive manifestation of the sex urge among them is due to certain aphrodisiacal stimuli rather than to natural instinct; among such stimuli are a high-protein meat diet (accompanied by physical inactivity), the use of tobacco, alcohol and coffee, sexually stimulating literature, dramas, motion pictures, conversation, etc. For these reasons civilized man has departed from the natural law, obeyed by animal and primitive races, which requires the separation of the sexes during pregnancy and lactation, for the benefit of both mother and child. Violation of this law may account for the large number of physically and mentally defective offspring produced by civilized races as compared with animals and primitive peoples.
Of all members of the mammalian family, civilized man alone is a victim of an exaggerated and morbid sexual urge, a condition which he has inflicted, to a certain extent, on the animals which he has domesticated and which have adopted his diet, especially the dog. Wild animals in a state of nature practice copulation only at certain mating seasons for the purpose of reproduction. Civilized man practices this act at all times, and in most cases without intention to conceive. On the other hand, so-called savages and primitive races leading more natural lives and who follow their natural instincts to a greater extent are far chaste in their sexual behavior, as noted by Havelock Ellis. Such considerations must lead one to the conclusion that the sex life of civilized men is unnatural and that the excessive manifestation of the sex urge among them is due to certain aphrodisiacal stimuli rather than to natural instinct; among such stimuli are a high-protein meat diet (accompanied by physical inactivity), the use of tobacco, alcohol and coffee, sexually stimulating literature, dramas, motion pictures, conversation, etc. For these reasons civilized man has departed from the natural law, obeyed by animal and primitive races, which requires the separation of the sexes during pregnancy and lactation, for the benefit of both mother and child. Violation of this law may account for the large number of physically and mentally defective offspring produced by civilized races as compared with animals and primitive peoples.
C
Does it matter? This is pure science:
Of all members of the mammalian family, civilized man alone is a victim of an exaggerated and morbid sexual urge, a condition which he has inflicted, to a certain extent, on the animals which he has domesticated and which have adopted his diet, especially the dog. Wild animals in a state of nature practice copulation only at certain mating seasons for the purpose of reproduction. Civilized man practices this act at all times, and in most cases without intention to conceive. On the other hand, so-called savages and primitive races leading more natural lives and who follow their natural instincts to a greater extent are far chaste in their sexual behavior, as noted by Havelock Ellis. Such considerations must lead one to the conclusion that the sex life of civilized men is unnatural and that the excessive manifestation of the sex urge among them is due to certain aphrodisiacal stimuli rather than to natural instinct; among such stimuli are a high-protein meat diet (accompanied by physical inactivity), the use of tobacco, alcohol and coffee, sexually stimulating literature, dramas, motion pictures, conversation, etc. For these reasons civilized man has departed from the natural law, obeyed by animal and primitive races, which requires the separation of the sexes during pregnancy and lactation, for the benefit of both mother and child. Violation of this law may account for the large number of physically and mentally defective offspring produced by civilized races as compared with animals and primitive peoples.
Of all members of the mammalian family, civilized man alone is a victim of an exaggerated and morbid sexual urge, a condition which he has inflicted, to a certain extent, on the animals which he has domesticated and which have adopted his diet, especially the dog. Wild animals in a state of nature practice copulation only at certain mating seasons for the purpose of reproduction. Civilized man practices this act at all times, and in most cases without intention to conceive. On the other hand, so-called savages and primitive races leading more natural lives and who follow their natural instincts to a greater extent are far chaste in their sexual behavior, as noted by Havelock Ellis. Such considerations must lead one to the conclusion that the sex life of civilized men is unnatural and that the excessive manifestation of the sex urge among them is due to certain aphrodisiacal stimuli rather than to natural instinct; among such stimuli are a high-protein meat diet (accompanied by physical inactivity), the use of tobacco, alcohol and coffee, sexually stimulating literature, dramas, motion pictures, conversation, etc. For these reasons civilized man has departed from the natural law, obeyed by animal and primitive races, which requires the separation of the sexes during pregnancy and lactation, for the benefit of both mother and child. Violation of this law may account for the large number of physically and mentally defective offspring produced by civilized races as compared with animals and primitive peoples.
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Why is procreation sinful? The marriage bed is undefiled.
If we are unsure how God's word views the animal kingdom, over which God has given man authority, here is a scripture, from one modern translation which primarily addresses false teachers, likening them to animals, but also provides us with a little insight into God's perspective.
I Peter 2:12
These false teachers are like unthinking animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed.
Another scripture clearly places man in a completely separate, and higher, order than animals. We marvel when something wild seems to behave in a way that is similar to humans, but we are not to build new philosophies based on their behavior.
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth,b and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
God's word is clear on the responsibilities of both men and women within marriage, and equally clear in establishing man's dominion over every species of animal.
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Why is procreation sinful? The marriage bed is undefiled.
Since I don't have children, then I must be just focusing on the pleasure part...which led me to ask am I then living in sin?
I mean by making the assumption one should not have sex unless they want children implies that all married couples who have sex for pleasure/intimacy are sinning.
That was my point!
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CIRBaptist, the original post suggested that having sex for any reason, other than to procreate, was perhaps sinful, and used species within the animal kingdom as role models. Ira is simply emphasizing the foolishness of such a claim. Scripture itself opposes such a belief, as we are 'not' part of the animal kingdom.
If we are unsure how God's word views the animal kingdom, over which God has given man authority, here is a scripture, from one modern translation which primarily addresses false teachers, likening them to animals, but also provides us with a little insight into God's perspective.
I Peter 2:12
These false teachers are like unthinking animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed.
Another scripture clearly places man in a completely separate, and higher, order than animals. We marvel when something wild seems to behave in a way that is similar to humans, but we are not to build new philosophies based on their behavior.
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth,b and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
God's word is clear on the responsibilities of both men and women within marriage, and equally clear in establishing man's dominion over every species of animal.
If we are unsure how God's word views the animal kingdom, over which God has given man authority, here is a scripture, from one modern translation which primarily addresses false teachers, likening them to animals, but also provides us with a little insight into God's perspective.
I Peter 2:12
These false teachers are like unthinking animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed.
Another scripture clearly places man in a completely separate, and higher, order than animals. We marvel when something wild seems to behave in a way that is similar to humans, but we are not to build new philosophies based on their behavior.
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth,b and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
God's word is clear on the responsibilities of both men and women within marriage, and equally clear in establishing man's dominion over every species of animal.
THANKS! So glad someone understood what I was saying!
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The apostle Paul said that if something is not wrong for you then you can do it unless it`s forbidden by God`s moral law of course. However there are some couples who have no sexual intercourse and live happily. This is similar to the kind of food man used to eat before the original sin: only vegetables, but then after the original sin God allowed man to eat some kinds of meat, but that was not part of His original plan.
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Since sex is only used for reproduction in the animal kingdom
For instance, Bonobo Monkeys often engage in sexual acts with one another as a form of social communication and allegiance. The domestic dog is known to either have sex or imitate a sexual act to assert dominance and dominion.
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Incorrect. Many animals, from insects to canines to monkeys, use sex for a variety of reasons.
For instance, Bonobo Monkeys often engage in sexual acts with one another as a form of social communication and allegiance. The domestic dog is known to either have sex or imitate a sexual act to assert dominance and dominion.
For instance, Bonobo Monkeys often engage in sexual acts with one another as a form of social communication and allegiance. The domestic dog is known to either have sex or imitate a sexual act to assert dominance and dominion.
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Does it matter? This is pure science:
Of all members of the mammalian family, civilized man alone is a victim of an exaggerated and morbid sexual urge, a condition which he has inflicted, to a certain extent, on the animals which he has domesticated and which have adopted his diet, especially the dog. Wild animals in a state of nature practice copulation only at certain mating seasons for the purpose of reproduction. Civilized man practices this act at all times, and in most cases without intention to conceive. On the other hand, so-called savages and primitive races leading more natural lives and who follow their natural instincts to a greater extent are far chaste in their sexual behavior, as noted by Havelock Ellis. Such considerations must lead one to the conclusion that the sex life of civilized men is unnatural and that the excessive manifestation of the sex urge among them is due to certain aphrodisiacal stimuli rather than to natural instinct; among such stimuli are a high-protein meat diet (accompanied by physical inactivity), the use of tobacco, alcohol and coffee, sexually stimulating literature, dramas, motion pictures, conversation, etc. For these reasons civilized man has departed from the natural law, obeyed by animal and primitive races, which requires the separation of the sexes during pregnancy and lactation, for the benefit of both mother and child. Violation of this law may account for the large number of physically and mentally defective offspring produced by civilized races as compared with animals and primitive peoples.
Of all members of the mammalian family, civilized man alone is a victim of an exaggerated and morbid sexual urge, a condition which he has inflicted, to a certain extent, on the animals which he has domesticated and which have adopted his diet, especially the dog. Wild animals in a state of nature practice copulation only at certain mating seasons for the purpose of reproduction. Civilized man practices this act at all times, and in most cases without intention to conceive. On the other hand, so-called savages and primitive races leading more natural lives and who follow their natural instincts to a greater extent are far chaste in their sexual behavior, as noted by Havelock Ellis. Such considerations must lead one to the conclusion that the sex life of civilized men is unnatural and that the excessive manifestation of the sex urge among them is due to certain aphrodisiacal stimuli rather than to natural instinct; among such stimuli are a high-protein meat diet (accompanied by physical inactivity), the use of tobacco, alcohol and coffee, sexually stimulating literature, dramas, motion pictures, conversation, etc. For these reasons civilized man has departed from the natural law, obeyed by animal and primitive races, which requires the separation of the sexes during pregnancy and lactation, for the benefit of both mother and child. Violation of this law may account for the large number of physically and mentally defective offspring produced by civilized races as compared with animals and primitive peoples.
While he may have claimed to be a skilled 'sexologist', I wouldn't put too much stock in this man's credentials. Both he and his wife were obviously in need of Jesus, and possibly counseling.
Sword, as Christians, we must remain aware of the fact that we cannot rely on 'pure science', to govern our beliefs. To do so would often welcome philosophies, which may have been scientifically proven, but also represent idolatrous belief systems. Acupuncture, divination and even astrological predictions, ( horoscopes), all have some limited scientific basis. These, and other scientific conclusions, especially those largely based on theory, often conflict with the standard by which we live, (The Bible). It is common practice to accept these conclusions, when science agrees with the Word of God, and we easily adopt these conclusions as discovered fact, but when science, government, or social practices, clearly conflict with biblical truth or instruction, we as Christians rightfully reject discoveries and developments, which do not measure up to God's truth. This is one of those times.
Accepting a theory which proposes that procreation is the sole purpose for intercourse, is to place scientific theory above the Word of God.
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Thank you songster for doing the research. I agree that science cannot dictate our beliefs or practices. It is not the findings of science that I would disagree with, but the interpretation and applications of those findings. In this case, it doesn't even apply as this is social commentary, not science.
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This is not just a scientific theory; we should remember that God didn´t say "Go and play with sex" but "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth" (Genesis 1:28), so we can infer that in the beginning sex was only for procreation. Only long after the original sin, Solomon (who had 1,000 pagan women who moved him away from God) encouraged sex for recreation (Song of Solomon). If it´s good for you I don´t condemn you, but we should be aware that it was not part of the original purpose for sex.
C
if you think that God only intended sex for making children then why did he make it pleasurable and beautiful for two married couples to share, he didnt make the G- spot for nothing when he made us, Sarah in the bible knew it was pleasure and God didnt correct her about the pleasure even though she doubted for having both the pleasure of sex and the promise of a child
Genesis 18:10 And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard [it] in the tent door, which [was] behind him.
Genesis 18:11 Now Abraham and Sarah [were] old [and] well stricken in age; [and] it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women.
Genesis 18:12 Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?
Genesis 18:13 And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?
Genesis 18:14 Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.
Genesis 18:10 And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard [it] in the tent door, which [was] behind him.
Genesis 18:11 Now Abraham and Sarah [were] old [and] well stricken in age; [and] it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women.
Genesis 18:12 Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?
Genesis 18:13 And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?
Genesis 18:14 Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.
C
This is not just a scientific theory; we should remember that God didn´t say "Go and play with sex" but "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth" (Genesis 1:28), so we can infer that in the beginning sex was only for procreation. Only long after the original sin, Solomon (who had 1,000 pagan women who moved him away from God) encouraged sex for recreation (Song of Solomon). If it´s good for you I don´t condemn you, but we should be aware that it was not part of the original purpose for sex.
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