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And here is the problem, in that we misunderstand the word, in fact, we cannot even apprehend the true nature of the word without the Spirit. For our natural mind cannot see the things of God as they are, and the Spirit is to us the mind of Christ.
Somehow, we have been duped into this doctrine of the word being the basis of our lives as members of the body of Christ, when it is the Spirit who has made us to be members of His body, who has added us into the body as He sees fit.
We have grieved the Spirit in this.
All knowledge of God comes by and from the Spirit. When we first believed, it was by the conviction of the Spirit. And now, we are to ascertain the facts of the living God from the written word, which is not God, but only give from God. The word is precious, a great gift, but the Spirit is God.
What was the result of the first sermon to be given in the power of the Spirit? Many were filled with the Spirit as they received Jesus as Lord. They weren't water baptised, they were filled with the Spirit who convicted them of their error, and showed them what God has done.
So important was the Spirit's coming into this world to be our comforter and teacher and love and life and even breath, that Jesus needed to leave us alone in this world in order for the Father to send Him to us. Imagine the One who loves us so much that He gave His eternal life and fellowship with the Father in sacrifice to us, laying aside again His desire to be with the object of His love for the much more important purpose of having the Spirit of the living God come and take residence in the body He had just died for.
We are warned by the scripture itself that it can be misunderstood. That some will twist it to their own destruction. Who will twist the Spirit into confusion?
I am sorry to belabor the point, but I believe it to be of utmost importance in the days ahead. The pains are growing closer to each other and gaining in strength, and we must look up, for our salvation draws near. And our hope, the redemption of the flesh, is closer now than it was. Time is short, but the Spirit is not bound by time.
In His peace,
Somehow, we have been duped into this doctrine of the word being the basis of our lives as members of the body of Christ, when it is the Spirit who has made us to be members of His body, who has added us into the body as He sees fit.
We have grieved the Spirit in this.
All knowledge of God comes by and from the Spirit. When we first believed, it was by the conviction of the Spirit. And now, we are to ascertain the facts of the living God from the written word, which is not God, but only give from God. The word is precious, a great gift, but the Spirit is God.
What was the result of the first sermon to be given in the power of the Spirit? Many were filled with the Spirit as they received Jesus as Lord. They weren't water baptised, they were filled with the Spirit who convicted them of their error, and showed them what God has done.
So important was the Spirit's coming into this world to be our comforter and teacher and love and life and even breath, that Jesus needed to leave us alone in this world in order for the Father to send Him to us. Imagine the One who loves us so much that He gave His eternal life and fellowship with the Father in sacrifice to us, laying aside again His desire to be with the object of His love for the much more important purpose of having the Spirit of the living God come and take residence in the body He had just died for.
We are warned by the scripture itself that it can be misunderstood. That some will twist it to their own destruction. Who will twist the Spirit into confusion?
I am sorry to belabor the point, but I believe it to be of utmost importance in the days ahead. The pains are growing closer to each other and gaining in strength, and we must look up, for our salvation draws near. And our hope, the redemption of the flesh, is closer now than it was. Time is short, but the Spirit is not bound by time.
In His peace,
C
Is the Spirit in opposition to the Word of God? Never! Why did God inspire men to set His Word in writing? It was His will that the Word be made an objective judge over the faith. Will you follow what you think the Spirit says if it is in opposition to the Word? In the last days, various spirits will come and decieve with words that sound good, but are just a little off. One degree off over a lifetime will take you to a place you never imagined you would go. Will the revelation that you have be held in the same esteem as scripture? Will it supplant scripture? May it never be so. I am not ashamed of the giftings of the Holy Spirit. But I will submit every word of it to the test of the Word of God.
I never said that the revelation of the Spirit would be against the word of God. But is it possible that our understanding of the word could be in opposition of the Spirit?
Are we who have been inducted into the body of Christ by the Spirit now perfected by the flesh? Our oneness with each other and with God cannot come from the written word. It cannot! Look at the result of the centuries of our attempt to make this come about. Our oneness with each other and with the Father and the Son can only come by the Spirit.
And we have been given gifts of Him, by the Spirit, among which is the knowing of the spirits.
Maybe we are already deceived.
Are we who have been inducted into the body of Christ by the Spirit now perfected by the flesh? Our oneness with each other and with God cannot come from the written word. It cannot! Look at the result of the centuries of our attempt to make this come about. Our oneness with each other and with the Father and the Son can only come by the Spirit.
And we have been given gifts of Him, by the Spirit, among which is the knowing of the spirits.
Maybe we are already deceived.
GOD the FATHER which is SPIRIT has a SPIRIT which is HOLY or HOLY SPIRIT. This is the same as you and I have a soul. When GOD the FATHER and HIS HOLY SPIRIT wrapped HIMSELF in flesh was the same iconic view as you and I mind - body - soul. 3 unique functioning parts seperate in themselves but is most necessary to make an entire body. The reason TRINITY is false is the same as us. You remove any one of the vital ingredients that make us up we cannot exist. No mind we are brain dead. No body no existence. No spirit you are spiritually dead. GOD has a functioning body that is similar. HIS entire make-up is SUPREME HOLY SPIRIT. HIS soul is the HOLY GHOST. HIS earthly body to reveal HIS humanity to us is flesh. What is unique about GODs earthly body is that fact that after HE rose up from the dead, mankind that knew HIM personally could not recognize the difference between HIS HEAVENLY BODY from HIS earthly body. And we know that when we go to heaven our bodies will be transformed as well. This tells me about the body of GOD since there was no evidentual obvious difference that GOD was the same in HEAVEN before HE came to earth to return back to HEAVEN. NOW, the flesh of GOD was only necessary for remission of sin and to be an eye witness example to us how to live righteously. If man never HAD SINNED then a flesh sacrifice would not have been required. SO, we would only be discussing a HOLY SPIRIT GOD. Which also proves GOD did not need the flesh sacrifice had man not sinned which also proves the TRINITY is false because it was never necessary if GOD had made us infallable. SINCE GOD made man fallable HE needed a flesh substitute to be sacrificed. GOD has always been JUST ONE. The reason we have ever witnessed 3 functions of ONE GOD is because we were made to sin in our FREE WILL.
TRINITY is false. There is only ONE GOD and in the ONE GOD HE is ALL IN ALL...I AM THAT I AM...
C
Circular reasoning: Since God needed a body-soul-mind, and since if you remove any of those He would be dead, He must need a body-soul-mind. lol.
Let me give you an example. In the Garden of Eden, man and woman acted as one. So, they didn't have names as Adam is simply the most common name for man and the name Eve was given to woman after the fall. So it was man and out-of-man. When the fall occurred, they acted as one. Man was immediately presence at the temptation and there is no question when woman ate that man would eat. Where they two persons? yes. Did they act in perfect unity? Yes. Who knows how much was lost in the relationship, How much more there would gave been to the two becoming one flesh.
Now we have three personsof the Godhead, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, in perfect unity of will, purpose, and action. They have relationship and structure from all eternity. They are immutable in nature but not static.
Let me give you an example. In the Garden of Eden, man and woman acted as one. So, they didn't have names as Adam is simply the most common name for man and the name Eve was given to woman after the fall. So it was man and out-of-man. When the fall occurred, they acted as one. Man was immediately presence at the temptation and there is no question when woman ate that man would eat. Where they two persons? yes. Did they act in perfect unity? Yes. Who knows how much was lost in the relationship, How much more there would gave been to the two becoming one flesh.
Now we have three personsof the Godhead, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, in perfect unity of will, purpose, and action. They have relationship and structure from all eternity. They are immutable in nature but not static.
C
Now this is a good example of what happens to someone's capacity for reason when they believe in the 'Trinity Doctrine', they end up not even being able to tell the difference between a man and a woman, all I can say is I feel sorry for you, and there is no way that I could possibly reason with you.
UMMMMM, if you read exactly what I said you would find out that the example i gave between how we are made up IS NOT how GOD is made up of. IN FACT, I said that GOD had HE made us perfect HE then DID NOT NEED to become flesh for our sins redemption.
PLEASE, I BEG
ACTUALLY READ the entire text before you assume you know what I am saying since your answer is CLEAR you answered out of ignorance rather than to my point.
AND if you think OMINIPOTENT-OMNIPRESENT-OMNISCIENT refers to separate intities you are wrong for even in our limited ability as we stand in 1 place alone we ourselves have knowledge of what is around us(SMALL SCALE OMNIPRESENT), and in the place we stand we have some power within ourselves(SMALL SCALE OMNIPOTENT), and what we see we can clearly understand what we are seeing thru our motor skills the brain(SMALL SCALE OMNISCIENT), now we have these same skills within our simplistic awareness in our own life. NOW, when you CONSIDER who GOD is CREATOR of ALL just by speaking and nothing else HIS WORDS alone made EVERYTHING COME TO PASS then you will realize that OMNIPOTENT-OMNIPRESENT-OMNISCIENT are just simple skills to a GOD who wants something done HE JUST SPEAKS IT INTO EXISTENCE.
OUR minds are limited and it is being revealed by most of your responses. REMEBER GOD is NOTHING like us HE HAS NO LIMITATIONS PERIOD ...........NONE...
D
Oneness theology teaches that God was in the mode of the Father in the Old Testament. God was seen in the OT (not as a vision or a dream or an angel in the following verses: Exo. 6:2-3; Gen. 19:24; Num. 12:6-. But, Jesus said no one has seen the Father (John 6:46). If they were seeing God Almighty (Exo. 6:2-3) but it wasn't the Father, then who was it?
If Jesus' will and the Father's will were identical, then why did Jesus express the desire to escape the cup but resigns Himself not to His own will, but the will of the Father?
Was Jesus praying to Himself in the Garden of Gethsemane?
If Jesus was praying to the divine side of Himself, then isn't He still praying to Himself?
Why was Jesus not saying, "Not My will, but MY will be done?" if there is only one person and one will involved when He was praying in Luke 22:42 & Matt. 26:39.
Since the Bible teaches us that Jesus is in bodily form now (Col. 2:9), then how does the Oneness Pentecostal person maintain that God is in the form of the Holy Spirit? Also, when Jesus returns, will He return in His body? Will God's form then revert to the form of the Son at a later date?
If God is only one person, why did Jesus say in John 14:23, "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." If God is only one person, why does Jesus say, "we"?
(Matt Slick)
If Jesus' will and the Father's will were identical, then why did Jesus express the desire to escape the cup but resigns Himself not to His own will, but the will of the Father?
Was Jesus praying to Himself in the Garden of Gethsemane?
If Jesus was praying to the divine side of Himself, then isn't He still praying to Himself?
Why was Jesus not saying, "Not My will, but MY will be done?" if there is only one person and one will involved when He was praying in Luke 22:42 & Matt. 26:39.
Since the Bible teaches us that Jesus is in bodily form now (Col. 2:9), then how does the Oneness Pentecostal person maintain that God is in the form of the Holy Spirit? Also, when Jesus returns, will He return in His body? Will God's form then revert to the form of the Son at a later date?
If God is only one person, why did Jesus say in John 14:23, "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." If God is only one person, why does Jesus say, "we"?
(Matt Slick)
C
Actually, while you may have been thinking that you were using it as a negative example, you didn't actually write it that way. As for the "omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent", all three persons of the trinity possess these separable aspects. Yout "small scale omnipresence" is oxymoronic. I suggest you actually know the meaning of words before you argue them. As for limited godism, your examples /attempts at explaining divine aspexts reveal that your god is too small.
Now, what amazes me about you is that you have been in the faith for less than a year, but you are a pastor and consider yourself a theologian and an apologist. Fervor of conversion is not the same as wisdom of teaching.
Now, what amazes me about you is that you have been in the faith for less than a year, but you are a pastor and consider yourself a theologian and an apologist. Fervor of conversion is not the same as wisdom of teaching.
G
That is interesting...wonder how joint-heir became a pastor, was it self appointed. because the scripture clearly lays the outlines for one who wishes to be in leadership:
1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
I would not call anyone moronic considerring you are 52 and believe in 3 GODS. What a long time to live believeing second hand pass me down left overs. If you would actually seek GOD for yourself rather than warm a pew you might discover many TRUTHS you do not realize exist. I pray that the knowledge and wisdom of GOD finds its way to your understanding. For someone blind that can make an argument as if you were stabbing at NOTHING in the dark. Once you finally come to some real revelation of the essence by which GOD is you could be a real force against the enemy we both battle in spirit.
May GOD Bless you and give you understanding...
I became a pastor because too many limp wristed Christians are walking in defeat and have no understanding of whom GOD is. The nic i chose exactly reflects who we are. We are kings in the kingdom of GOD and if anyone wishes to attack us we can do 1 of 2 things that is both scriptural. We can be meek and turn the other cheek or we can be bold and bind and rebuke in the name of JESUS. There are several ways to go about both examples I have listed. I walk in VICTORY and POWER of GOD for I am a JOINT-HEIR to kingdom of GOD. Even JESUS rebuked the spirit of religeous canotations towards the Sadducees, the Pharisees, the Scribes, and the Herodians. JESUS would later go on and say DO NOT CAST YOUR PEARLS BEFORE SWINE. When another man feels he has the capability to back me in the corner to shove his ideas down my throat and label me as moronic and stupid and idiotic I have the right to politely correct him even in an harsh monotone. Think not Paul who wrote the same scripture you are using did not in fact confront those who came at him with ideas that were not scripturally sound. For almost every letter Paul wrote was to correct a church or someone pushing their ideas and forcing their rhetorics. I thank you for the scripture you used and I will be a little less harsh but also JESUS did say...JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED.
Originally Posted by charisenexcelcis
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Now, what amazes me about you is that you have been in the faith for less than a year, but you are a pastor and consider yourself a theologian and an apologist. Fervor of conversion is not the same as wisdom of teaching.
If you took the time to read my testimony you would have known I have been in the church most of my life. By the time I was 12 my grandfather had me preaching short although it may have been but nevertheless I was preaching. By the time I was 15 I had read the Bible cover to cover more times than most claiming they have been in the church all of their lives. My grandfather was what was called beside pastor and evangelist but also a presbyter which was over several states distric offices in the Assemblies of GOD and he taught Theology to up and coming ministers in the AOG Texas College. After all of the years it was while he was teaching me that GOD revealed to him TRINITY was false and he preached the TRUTH until he died at 85. When he died I ran from GOD and yes just recently came back to GOD after I lost everything and became solely dependant on GOD. I have all of my grandfathers lifetime of work that while seeking GOD for a better understanding of HIS will and desire for me in the help of others. All of my youth was about the history of the church and where it is now. In the past 4 months alone I read the entire Bible cover to cover and GOD has me reading it again over and over. I had more knowledge by the time I was 12 than most who sit warming a pew for 50 years. The people I touch are ex cons, drug dealers and hells angel members like my best friend and ex mafia that ended up in my state due to relo packages from witness protection program. These people that have wallowed in the dirt and know if someone is for real or not. These people can spot a suit a mile away who looks down at them and judges them. These people are who make up the majority of my church. These people are exactly who I was. These are the people GOD gave to me to help. They dont need someone in $3000 silk suit and gator loafers at $1500 a pop. Most of them can buy and sell you anyways with the money they made illegaly. These are the people that GOD put me over. So do not assume I am new to this by any means. Just know most like you would be scared to death to be face to face on a daily basis with murderers and who knows what else they have committed. BUT, I GIVE GOD ALL OF THE GLORY BECAUSE THESE ARE THE PEOPLE GOD GAVE TO ME...
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Now, what amazes me about you is that you have been in the faith for less than a year, but you are a pastor and consider yourself a theologian and an apologist. Fervor of conversion is not the same as wisdom of teaching.
If you took the time to read my testimony you would have known I have been in the church most of my life. By the time I was 12 my grandfather had me preaching short although it may have been but nevertheless I was preaching. By the time I was 15 I had read the Bible cover to cover more times than most claiming they have been in the church all of their lives. My grandfather was what was called beside pastor and evangelist but also a presbyter which was over several states distric offices in the Assemblies of GOD and he taught Theology to up and coming ministers in the AOG Texas College. After all of the years it was while he was teaching me that GOD revealed to him TRINITY was false and he preached the TRUTH until he died at 85. When he died I ran from GOD and yes just recently came back to GOD after I lost everything and became solely dependant on GOD. I have all of my grandfathers lifetime of work that while seeking GOD for a better understanding of HIS will and desire for me in the help of others. All of my youth was about the history of the church and where it is now. In the past 4 months alone I read the entire Bible cover to cover and GOD has me reading it again over and over. I had more knowledge by the time I was 12 than most who sit warming a pew for 50 years. The people I touch are ex cons, drug dealers and hells angel members like my best friend and ex mafia that ended up in my state due to relo packages from witness protection program. These people that have wallowed in the dirt and know if someone is for real or not. These people can spot a suit a mile away who looks down at them and judges them. These people are who make up the majority of my church. These people are exactly who I was. These are the people GOD gave to me to help. They dont need someone in $3000 silk suit and gator loafers at $1500 a pop. Most of them can buy and sell you anyways with the money they made illegaly. These are the people that GOD put me over. So do not assume I am new to this by any means. Just know most like you would be scared to death to be face to face on a daily basis with murderers and who knows what else they have committed. BUT, I GIVE GOD ALL OF THE GLORY BECAUSE THESE ARE THE PEOPLE GOD GAVE TO ME...
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