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Let these words not bring offense to any in Christ Jesus.......
Shall we not seek peace and pursue it?
Galatians 5:13-15
13For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 15But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another.
Shall we not seek peace and pursue it?
Galatians 5:13-15
13For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 15But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another.
You are a former baptist alright, your condemnation of others is still in you. You are painting people into something they are not because it disagrees with your ideas and your personal understanding.
I am not made righteous by anything I do, but what Jesus did. It is JESUS + NOTHING I DO=EVERYTHING
Righteousness is position and not personal performance.
You are still being ruled by sin-consciousness big time. you cannot see that you were purged from your old sins and anyone that has victory you have not had, you have to label as works based or as a legalist.
You have no victory and paint others as legalists because you are still making it all about you. Perfect love's yes will be yes and it's no will no.
I preach I have overcome sin, because the Bible preaches that we have overcome sin. Your self righteous gospel of woe and poe is fine, it is a stage of spiritual maturity, that I hope you grow out of. Many never do.
If you understand grace, you will understand the position of righteousness, if you understand righteousness, you will understand the divine nature, if you understand the divine nature, you will be set free, when you are set free love allows your yes to be yes and your no to be no.
As much as you hate hearing it, you are still throwing out the part of the word, you do not like and are attempting to use grace/love as a substitute for the real work of renewal that only God word can do in your life
E
lol. Again, it was you two who started condemning not me. I just asked a few questions and you went off. And did not like my answers.
No. My baptist is not in me If it was I would be like you and praising how well I have defeated sin, by just saying no. And how my church does not do this or do that.
Instead I would rather just stick to the word Again, people who are stuck in tradition have a hard time breaking from it. I know it was hard for me.
I believe most baptists will be in heaven, thats not my problem with them My problem with them is they do not know or teach how to reach spiritual maturity. But this is not just the problem with them, it is the problem with most traditional churches.
Then stop judging sinners who have not yet found that healing, and start loving them, and stop praising your church as so much better than every one elses.
No. I am not ruled by anything but God See you still have absolutely no idea what I believe, your still stuck in what you THINK I am saying,
You have no desire to learn what I believe you take everything I say as an insult. and must defend yourself (which is exactly how I used to be) so you are blind to even open your eyes, and say what is this guy really saying.
Spiritual maturity is not the act of becoming a greater sinner, It is the acknowledgement of how much of a sinner we really are (we stop looking at our outward sins, and start looking at our inward heart)
Thats what Paul realised in romans 7.
I have great victory. Victory I never had when I was stuck on stopping sin, and trying to repent. I have victory, because it is not about me, it is about others.
Why do you think I said you will never hear me puff myself up as not doing this or that? it is not about me.
Your the one self righteous. Name something self righteous I have praised myself of overcoming, or my church of not being?
Again, your trying to fight me by putting me in the boat you are in. That will not help you grow. believe me, I know
My yes is yes, my now is no.
You asked if I unconditionally loved benny hinn, If I just said yes, would that prove anything?
See. I know your type. If i just said yes, you would come at me, Instead I said yes, and used an example you still came after me.
Oh. Do tell. what part of the world (sin) am I throwing out? I would love to hear this, with examples of what I said.
lets see you prove your straw man argument.
No. My baptist is not in me If it was I would be like you and praising how well I have defeated sin, by just saying no. And how my church does not do this or do that.
Instead I would rather just stick to the word Again, people who are stuck in tradition have a hard time breaking from it. I know it was hard for me.
I believe most baptists will be in heaven, thats not my problem with them My problem with them is they do not know or teach how to reach spiritual maturity. But this is not just the problem with them, it is the problem with most traditional churches.
Then stop judging sinners who have not yet found that healing, and start loving them, and stop praising your church as so much better than every one elses.
No. I am not ruled by anything but God See you still have absolutely no idea what I believe, your still stuck in what you THINK I am saying,
You have no desire to learn what I believe you take everything I say as an insult. and must defend yourself (which is exactly how I used to be) so you are blind to even open your eyes, and say what is this guy really saying.
Spiritual maturity is not the act of becoming a greater sinner, It is the acknowledgement of how much of a sinner we really are (we stop looking at our outward sins, and start looking at our inward heart)
Thats what Paul realised in romans 7.
I have great victory. Victory I never had when I was stuck on stopping sin, and trying to repent. I have victory, because it is not about me, it is about others.
Why do you think I said you will never hear me puff myself up as not doing this or that? it is not about me.
Your the one self righteous. Name something self righteous I have praised myself of overcoming, or my church of not being?
Again, your trying to fight me by putting me in the boat you are in. That will not help you grow. believe me, I know
My yes is yes, my now is no.
You asked if I unconditionally loved benny hinn, If I just said yes, would that prove anything?
See. I know your type. If i just said yes, you would come at me, Instead I said yes, and used an example you still came after me.
Oh. Do tell. what part of the world (sin) am I throwing out? I would love to hear this, with examples of what I said.
lets see you prove your straw man argument.
E
Gal 3 - 5 is so good a passage, to show us that living by rules will never make us righteous, or help us to maturity. That we do not focus on what traditions we need to follow. or what holidays we need to adhere too. Of what sins we should not do. But focus on taking that love of Jesus and sharing it with the world.,
As paul said, Just as the bondwoman was cast out. this legalistic theology is so dangerous the church needs to cast it out, because as Ishmael would attack Issac. So does legalism attack the true bride of Christ. and cuts it off from the blessings of God. Because God can not bless us when we are trying to relate to him through laws or seasons or holidays.
God wants a relationship with us. Not a pseudo religion which thinks it is making God happy/
As paul said, Just as the bondwoman was cast out. this legalistic theology is so dangerous the church needs to cast it out, because as Ishmael would attack Issac. So does legalism attack the true bride of Christ. and cuts it off from the blessings of God. Because God can not bless us when we are trying to relate to him through laws or seasons or holidays.
God wants a relationship with us. Not a pseudo religion which thinks it is making God happy/
Peter, back to your original post - or more particularly your heading. Are "Reformed" and "Charismatic" mutually exclusive?
I can see that you might think so if you have just finished watching "Strange Fire", but what do you do with people like Wayne Grudem, D.A. Carson, John Piper, Sam Storms and other Reformed people who are charismatic to the extent that they don't believe the charismata were superseded with the writing of the Bible? Heck, John Piper's church was substantially charismatic 30 years ago (Testing Bethlehem’s Charismatic Quotient | Desiring God). His position was so misrepresented by John MacArthur during the conference that he felt he needed to set the record straight (see here: http://soundcloud.com/askpastorjohn/john-macarthur-and-strange).
Given what John Piper says about prophecy in this clip (and others say elsewhere, e.g. Wayne Grudem in The Gift of Prophecy in the New Testament and Today), perhaps the divide isn't as great as you think. Perhaps you're giving too much credence to John MacArthur.
You are sadly mistaken. Roger has consistently opposed a simple proposition, that the gospel changes the heart of a believer. I now see this is the problem many here face. They struggle with their emotional burdens and recurrent sin, which they find impossible to change. They wonder why they have a gospel that appears so wonderful, yet fails to deal with their souls. So they construct a sophisticated structure of theology, which supposes when they see Jesus, flash bang, they will be changed, and all will be rosy. The sad reality is, flash bang, they will suddenly find all there emotional inconsistencies will become real, and they will fall a ruined mess on the floor, chaff to be blown away in the wind.
Ofcourse to them the idea of a redeemed spirit, or real joy in a pure way, is the works of the flesh, walking in delusion, because it is not possible, because all these things are things of failure and the world from which they are running and yet are trapped in recurring sins. If this is their faith then they are lost. They are lost because their hearts have become hard and refuse to admit their real needs of love and forgiveness, a wailing painful loneliness and desperation. Yet this is where Jesus went. "Father, why have you forsaken me." When the words "It is finished" were said, he meant it.
A lot of christians miss-understand the faith. The truth is relationships are eternal, and everything needs respect. The real perspective is gained and power over rushing emotion, because emotion is a passing thing, subservient to the greater reality. Yes I am hurt by many things, upset, wanting things to be different, but I bow to Jesus, let his love and perspective set my heart aright, and walk on. I know those here who do this daily know of what I speak, and walk with the Father. I say this as a testimony to Jesus, to say, yes the Kingdom is here and very, very much alive.
Ofcourse to them the idea of a redeemed spirit, or real joy in a pure way, is the works of the flesh, walking in delusion, because it is not possible, because all these things are things of failure and the world from which they are running and yet are trapped in recurring sins. If this is their faith then they are lost. They are lost because their hearts have become hard and refuse to admit their real needs of love and forgiveness, a wailing painful loneliness and desperation. Yet this is where Jesus went. "Father, why have you forsaken me." When the words "It is finished" were said, he meant it.
A lot of christians miss-understand the faith. The truth is relationships are eternal, and everything needs respect. The real perspective is gained and power over rushing emotion, because emotion is a passing thing, subservient to the greater reality. Yes I am hurt by many things, upset, wanting things to be different, but I bow to Jesus, let his love and perspective set my heart aright, and walk on. I know those here who do this daily know of what I speak, and walk with the Father. I say this as a testimony to Jesus, to say, yes the Kingdom is here and very, very much alive.
Oh the sad face of apostasy. Alive in the flesh but dead in the Spirit. How can a man change if he is dead? The Holy Spirit must stir the dead mans heart before he can respond to the gospel. When a man is re-born Spiritually then he dies to the flesh and walks in newness of life.
If Christians lack good discipleship then what can the unregenerate man claim? They have no hope because they stumble in darkness turning away from the entrance of the Light. John 3:15-21
Titus 1:15 to the pure all things are pure but to the unbelieving and defiled nothing is pure even their mind and conscience is defiled.
The fields are white unto harvest but the laborers are few.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
If Christians lack good discipleship then what can the unregenerate man claim? They have no hope because they stumble in darkness turning away from the entrance of the Light. John 3:15-21
Titus 1:15 to the pure all things are pure but to the unbelieving and defiled nothing is pure even their mind and conscience is defiled.
The fields are white unto harvest but the laborers are few.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Oh the sad :-( face of gibberish where Roger attempts and fails to make a point.
The world is driven by emotional desire into sin.
The christian is driven by love into good works.
To the christian the emotions are still there but directed in appropriate ways.
Sadly though Roger appears to want to suggest I am worldly and he is wise, which is the slander argument rather than disclosing what he thinks is wrong, because either he does not have the words or it is too absurd when written.
The world is driven by emotional desire into sin.
The christian is driven by love into good works.
To the christian the emotions are still there but directed in appropriate ways.
Sadly though Roger appears to want to suggest I am worldly and he is wise, which is the slander argument rather than disclosing what he thinks is wrong, because either he does not have the words or it is too absurd when written.
E
Roger has never said this, again proof you have no idea what he believes.
you mean like following law and religion? that is exactly what happens. it also happens when we refuse to look inside, and focus instead on outer sins, we become decieved we are good decent people. when inside we are ravaging wolves.
why don't you back off a little bit of pride, and try for one to see what people actually believe. maybe you will no longer have the problems.
you mean like following law and religion? that is exactly what happens. it also happens when we refuse to look inside, and focus instead on outer sins, we become decieved we are good decent people. when inside we are ravaging wolves.
why don't you back off a little bit of pride, and try for one to see what people actually believe. maybe you will no longer have the problems.
E
which is what Roger just said. wow you do not listen to anything do you?
When a man is re-born Spiritually then he dies to the flesh and walks in newness of life.
If Christians lack good discipleship then what can the unregenerate man claim? They have no hope because they stumble in darkness turning away from the entrance of the Light. John 3:15-21
Titus 1:15 to the pure all things are pure but to the unbelieving and defiled nothing is pure even their mind and conscience is defiled.
sad thing is, your continued insistence that roger is saying something he is not saying, just goes to prove your not very wise.
I am not a Baptist and left the denomination at 14 with my Parents.
Yet you reject the truth of the word that you have a responsibility to renew your own mind and say super spiritual things like, God only renews it. Jesus was your blue print about how to live down here.
When we send a soldier into battle, we give them the best training, best equipment and arm them with the very best weapons. We give them power and authority to go into battle. They have access to call on their satellite phone/radio and get whatever support they need, whether it be air support, artillery fire, more supplies, anything. They have a link to call upon.
They are trained in their power and authority to overcome all obstacles, hardships, setbacks, and given everything they need to to engage the enemy and destroy him and his works and take real estate and claim it and keep it. They have been trained in the mindset of victory and overcoming all obstacles, they know what their objective is, they know the weapons of their warfare, they know they have a link to call upon force multipliers to enhance their already lethal capabilities, They do not need to continually ask the Commander in Chief for support. Theya re a mena, lean fighting machine that is instinctive in its mission and how they conduct warfare.
You will never see a Solider on the battlefield with his helmet, boots, knee pads, body Armour on, weapon slung stop on the Battle field and take his sat phone out and call the President and say:
Hi huh this is soldier 1, yes Mr. President, I was wondering, The enemy has started probing us, and fired a few shots in our direction, and one bullet grazed my helmet and hmmm, yeah ,I just do not understand this at all, and I need to know hmm, what to do and how we engage here and what authority and power I have to deal with this stuff, and I hmmm, need your help really bad right now, because to be honest its getting a little hot and tense right now hhmmm Sir.
So after a long pause, the President asks the soldier:
Son, are you Soldier of the United States? DO you not know you carry the power and authority of the President and Congress of the United States on you? Are you not trained in the ways of warfare? Do you not have the very best Protective Armour money on you? Do you not understand you have the very best hand weapons in the world? Are you not equipped wiht the very best commo gear to reach out and call in support when you really need it? Have you not been tuaght to go and run toward sand engage the enemy and take back what he is taken form us? Have you not been supplied to bring the captives of the enemy back home? Have you not been molded and made to be a lean, mean fighting machine, that does not need to call upon me every step of the way, because your faith in the things we have given and put inside of your should take you into the enemy camp and utterly destroy him?
Yes sir all that is correct................
Then why are you calling upon my name and standing there and seeking my advice. I have given you everything you need to recover the captives, save the innocent and utterly destroy the works of the enemy, SO Soldier, ready your weapon, tighten up your helmet, plant those boots in the ground, know you have support if you ask if you need to take out a stronghold and go out and engage the enemy and deliver the captive, bind up the broken hearted, save the lost, heal the sick and take abck what the enemy has stolen, killed and destroyed.
Love propels us to action, not stroke our inability to advance the kingdom.
The single greatest lie the enemy tells God's people is that cannot pursue, overtake and recover all!!!! That they are powerless to live in victory and can overcome the wicked one, because they are strong and the word of God abides in them! If you think its bragging, its because you are still bound by the very tradition you seek so hard to detach yourself from and are now bound in false humility adn that is exactly where satan has kept many in the body of CHrist.
He knows that if you ever become free from sin consciousness and false humility and never take on the name of Jesus, put on the whole Armour of God and never take it off understand you have legal right to use the name above all names and have his power and authority in his name, you will stay powerless and are no threat to him at all.
no comment
Exhorting you to get off your duff and advance the kingdom is not judgement. It is obvious by your statements you are still wounded beyond belief. You get mad at every believer that has bypassed you in spiritual growth and hide behind the spiritual juvenile tactic of, where's your love walk and how prideful are you and that church down the road. Love also sees the kingdom potential in people and believes for that kingdom potential to be brought forth in a variety of ways. You would do very well to study out the sharp disagreements Paul had with co-apostles to see how true love can also work.
Sorry man, now your back pedaling with private revaluation immaturity.
1 COr 10.13a says:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man;
Temptation is trial here, we have all been through what you think is the only thing you have learned or gone through.
Nobody is blind but you, because you are a growth path, many have completed before you. Do not be so spiritual and instead be spirit led. That will come for you. This is why you attack people and then accuse them of being blind and attacking you instead. I see this happen with sheep all the time, I have been where you have been and a sign of true spiritual maturity is understanding that others have gone through what you are goign through and your revelation is not of any private interpretation, but is common to every man and woman of God.
Romans 7 is a contrast chapter to Romans 8. In Romans 7, Paul is showing that it is impossible to live the life of a Christian under the flesh, then in Romans 8, he shows that the only way you walk the Christian walk is by the Spirit leading you, and that you have the power to overcome your sin and flesh to be Spirit led.
It is absolutely about others. You are hindered by false humility, which is not a SIN, but a stumbling block to further spiritual maturity.
You are self righteous in your false humility.
No it really is not, but its ok, its a spiritual growth phase.
Had you simply said YES, it would have proven everything you have stated about the Love walk you so passionately and correctly talk about. IF anything I would have either replied wiht good answer, or nothing at all. I did not come after you, I asked what your statement had to do with a direct question, that was either a yes or no answer. You did not say yes EG, stop back pedaling, you said I hope he goes to heaven. Come on man, lower the pride a wee bit.
My motive was finding out if what you talk, you walk. A simple Yes, would have proven something very important, and instead of seeing this as a exhortation to improve, you back up with pride and indignation and believe I am 'coming" after you.
You will go nowhere in the kingdom if you fold like flower when a little humid heat hits you
I do not need to do engage in this, I think my points have been made very well. Continue on your growth path EG and lower your pride and stop leaning so much on your understanding and stop being spiritual and look to be Spirit-Led
Yet you reject the truth of the word that you have a responsibility to renew your own mind and say super spiritual things like, God only renews it. Jesus was your blue print about how to live down here.
When we send a soldier into battle, we give them the best training, best equipment and arm them with the very best weapons. We give them power and authority to go into battle. They have access to call on their satellite phone/radio and get whatever support they need, whether it be air support, artillery fire, more supplies, anything. They have a link to call upon.
They are trained in their power and authority to overcome all obstacles, hardships, setbacks, and given everything they need to to engage the enemy and destroy him and his works and take real estate and claim it and keep it. They have been trained in the mindset of victory and overcoming all obstacles, they know what their objective is, they know the weapons of their warfare, they know they have a link to call upon force multipliers to enhance their already lethal capabilities, They do not need to continually ask the Commander in Chief for support. Theya re a mena, lean fighting machine that is instinctive in its mission and how they conduct warfare.
You will never see a Solider on the battlefield with his helmet, boots, knee pads, body Armour on, weapon slung stop on the Battle field and take his sat phone out and call the President and say:
Hi huh this is soldier 1, yes Mr. President, I was wondering, The enemy has started probing us, and fired a few shots in our direction, and one bullet grazed my helmet and hmmm, yeah ,I just do not understand this at all, and I need to know hmm, what to do and how we engage here and what authority and power I have to deal with this stuff, and I hmmm, need your help really bad right now, because to be honest its getting a little hot and tense right now hhmmm Sir.
So after a long pause, the President asks the soldier:
Son, are you Soldier of the United States? DO you not know you carry the power and authority of the President and Congress of the United States on you? Are you not trained in the ways of warfare? Do you not have the very best Protective Armour money on you? Do you not understand you have the very best hand weapons in the world? Are you not equipped wiht the very best commo gear to reach out and call in support when you really need it? Have you not been tuaght to go and run toward sand engage the enemy and take back what he is taken form us? Have you not been supplied to bring the captives of the enemy back home? Have you not been molded and made to be a lean, mean fighting machine, that does not need to call upon me every step of the way, because your faith in the things we have given and put inside of your should take you into the enemy camp and utterly destroy him?
Yes sir all that is correct................
Then why are you calling upon my name and standing there and seeking my advice. I have given you everything you need to recover the captives, save the innocent and utterly destroy the works of the enemy, SO Soldier, ready your weapon, tighten up your helmet, plant those boots in the ground, know you have support if you ask if you need to take out a stronghold and go out and engage the enemy and deliver the captive, bind up the broken hearted, save the lost, heal the sick and take abck what the enemy has stolen, killed and destroyed.
Love propels us to action, not stroke our inability to advance the kingdom.
The single greatest lie the enemy tells God's people is that cannot pursue, overtake and recover all!!!! That they are powerless to live in victory and can overcome the wicked one, because they are strong and the word of God abides in them! If you think its bragging, its because you are still bound by the very tradition you seek so hard to detach yourself from and are now bound in false humility adn that is exactly where satan has kept many in the body of CHrist.
He knows that if you ever become free from sin consciousness and false humility and never take on the name of Jesus, put on the whole Armour of God and never take it off understand you have legal right to use the name above all names and have his power and authority in his name, you will stay powerless and are no threat to him at all.
no comment
Exhorting you to get off your duff and advance the kingdom is not judgement. It is obvious by your statements you are still wounded beyond belief. You get mad at every believer that has bypassed you in spiritual growth and hide behind the spiritual juvenile tactic of, where's your love walk and how prideful are you and that church down the road. Love also sees the kingdom potential in people and believes for that kingdom potential to be brought forth in a variety of ways. You would do very well to study out the sharp disagreements Paul had with co-apostles to see how true love can also work.
Sorry man, now your back pedaling with private revaluation immaturity.
1 COr 10.13a says:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man;
Temptation is trial here, we have all been through what you think is the only thing you have learned or gone through.
Nobody is blind but you, because you are a growth path, many have completed before you. Do not be so spiritual and instead be spirit led. That will come for you. This is why you attack people and then accuse them of being blind and attacking you instead. I see this happen with sheep all the time, I have been where you have been and a sign of true spiritual maturity is understanding that others have gone through what you are goign through and your revelation is not of any private interpretation, but is common to every man and woman of God.
Romans 7 is a contrast chapter to Romans 8. In Romans 7, Paul is showing that it is impossible to live the life of a Christian under the flesh, then in Romans 8, he shows that the only way you walk the Christian walk is by the Spirit leading you, and that you have the power to overcome your sin and flesh to be Spirit led.
It is absolutely about others. You are hindered by false humility, which is not a SIN, but a stumbling block to further spiritual maturity.
You are self righteous in your false humility.
No it really is not, but its ok, its a spiritual growth phase.
Had you simply said YES, it would have proven everything you have stated about the Love walk you so passionately and correctly talk about. IF anything I would have either replied wiht good answer, or nothing at all. I did not come after you, I asked what your statement had to do with a direct question, that was either a yes or no answer. You did not say yes EG, stop back pedaling, you said I hope he goes to heaven. Come on man, lower the pride a wee bit.
My motive was finding out if what you talk, you walk. A simple Yes, would have proven something very important, and instead of seeing this as a exhortation to improve, you back up with pride and indignation and believe I am 'coming" after you.
You will go nowhere in the kingdom if you fold like flower when a little humid heat hits you
I do not need to do engage in this, I think my points have been made very well. Continue on your growth path EG and lower your pride and stop leaning so much on your understanding and stop being spiritual and look to be Spirit-Led
I confess I am a do gooder, who thinks Jesus is enough for me, at the foot of the cross I bow, his blood shed for me.
I now understand why Jesus told his deciples not to judge each other, because we are not good at seeing beyond language, and very often condemn before we understand. But I forgive those who have condemned me already and I praise Jesus.
But the good I do is because of Jesus and his work in me, this heart of love which says yes please, how can I help thee.
Please if I have done wrong or gone astray pray tell, but be ready if I find you wrong instead and get a stern reply, for I follow the Lord Almighty who reigns from on high. Remember it is not I you judge but the work he has wrought in me, so though I be gentle and lowly of spirit, the Lord can otherwise be.
I now understand why Jesus told his deciples not to judge each other, because we are not good at seeing beyond language, and very often condemn before we understand. But I forgive those who have condemned me already and I praise Jesus.
But the good I do is because of Jesus and his work in me, this heart of love which says yes please, how can I help thee.
Please if I have done wrong or gone astray pray tell, but be ready if I find you wrong instead and get a stern reply, for I follow the Lord Almighty who reigns from on high. Remember it is not I you judge but the work he has wrought in me, so though I be gentle and lowly of spirit, the Lord can otherwise be.
E
I did not say you were
Oh I reject truth? lol.. Yet you just said you must do something which I would agree with. See what happens when you cherry pic and assume things.
I am retired military, I served my country, and gave my life. I know what a soldier does. Thanks for the insult!
God gives us our weapons, we are not fighting a battle of flesh and blood but principalities and powers. God gives us everything we need, So whats your point. I have never stated we should not use what God gives us. But we can not have them unless god gives them right?
so prayer is not one of the weapons. Thanks. Good to know. I guess it shows where your coming from.
hmm. Thanks, but that is what I have been saying, again if you would read you would understand that.
If you do not have the weapons, try to do it on your own, and do not seek the guidance of the commander in chief. Your lost. and will run around in circles. and satan will devour you.
there you go again, Saying what I have said all along (rolls eyes)
lol. Now this made me laugh, you think you have advanced me in spiritual growth? Now I have heard everything. You still have a ways to go my friend.
You do not exhort a baby Christian to perfection. You disciple them and love them. This is a chat room with alot of baby christians, and people who may not even know Christ, your breathing righteousness and judgment is not for their ears. They have no capacity to do what you ask, and your ownly judging them.
Thanks for once again telling me something I already knew.
Dude you ever read what a person says?
And funny how paul realied in romans 7 his true self at a mature stage in his christian life. And how we can have victory over it in chapter 8.
Acknowledging your a sinner is not going out and sinning, it is acknowledgeing you have no power over sin apart from God.
Nah, Humility is the only way to spiritual maturity, God resists the proud. Or have you not found that out yet?
You do not know me, Thus your strawman is meaningless. It is obvious you are failing on words, and resorting to attack. Same religious mentaility I have been speaking about. there is no humility in you, and my humility offends you. so of course you attack.
The truth hurts doesn't it?
oh ps. your the one who made the claim. Funny how you could not find any examples when confronted about your claim and all you can do is attack
lol. And you know me. Yeah right, again an attack. Your just like the pharisees aren't you?
Ok, your right. No I do not love benny hinn unconditionally. I hope he gets to heaven.
Oh wait, I just contradicted myself. how can that be (rolls eyes)
Again, Your failure to see what true unconditional love is is not my problem. that is yours.
well good thing I do not fold now isnt it.
It is not me, it is Christ in me, The cross is my cornerstone. whats yours?
Back at ya.
You just made claims which were not true. Stated I did not believe things I do. Made atack after attack because you could not answer when confronted... I could go on and on. but why bother.
Until you see your pride, no one can help you.
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amen, Christ has to be our cornerstone, without him, we are in deep trouble.
I fight legalism with a passion, It is not for my benefit, I have been freed from it, it is for those who may be exposed to it, before it destroys them. so sometimes I may see things which are not there, and go overboard But it all comes from my heart whit good intentions.
I fight legalism with a passion, It is not for my benefit, I have been freed from it, it is for those who may be exposed to it, before it destroys them. so sometimes I may see things which are not there, and go overboard But it all comes from my heart whit good intentions.
