So if you are not under the Law, does that mean you are in lawelessness?

Word_Swordsman · Apr 20, 2015

Unmerited salvation, yes. God would be justified never to have made a way for sinners to repent and be saved. Excused continued sin lifestyle, NOT. The main benefit of salvation by grace is overcoming sin, by the power of God in Christ. But if anyone dies muddied up in his old sin, still that "old man" that was supposed to have died and be buried with Christ, rising to be no different towards sin, then that "old man" that still lives is not part of Christ Jesus. The other side of death (this side), dug him up. There was no rising up from iniquity.

Vernon · Apr 20, 2015

With the law or without the law, all perish. From this reality we can see that none are justified by the law, but rather all are condemn under the law and also without the law. Who can deliver us from this condemnation?
The answer is obvious.

Christ be with you always.

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 20, 2015

Word_Swordsman said:

Unmerited salvation, yes. God would be justified never to have made a way for sinners to repent and be saved. Excused continued sin lifestyle, NOT. The main benefit of salvation by grace is overcoming sin, by the power of God in Christ. But if anyone dies muddied up in his old sin, still that "old man" that was supposed to have died and be buried with Christ, rising to be no different towards sin, then that "old man" that still lives is not part of Christ Jesus. The other side of death (this side), dug him up. There was no rising up from iniquity.

are you without sin?

Word_Swordsman · Apr 20, 2015

Grandpa said:

If left to you then, God must welcome the Devil back as Chief Worship Leader in Heaven.

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 20, 2015

Word_Swordsman said:

I should probably ask this question.. which camp are you in? those 2 who went to Pray at the Temple...

the Pharisee who stood and beating himself on the chest, boasting to God how he wasn't like this person or that person, did all this and that , he justifying himself in the Eyes of God?

or

are you in this Camp, the Publican, who stood in the back of the 'congregation' beat his chest, would not even look up to Heaven, but said God be merciful to me, a sinner'

Which one went down or back to his House, Justified in the Eyes of God?

he that exalted himself or he that was remorseful at the Reality that he fell short of His Glory on a daily basis?

GracethroughfaithinChrist · Apr 20, 2015

Jason0047 said:

Romans 6:14
14For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

How do you see this verse bro?

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 20, 2015

Word_Swordsman said:

Satan has no access to the 3rd Heaven, 2nd and 1st yes.. soon he will be kicked out of the 2nd and have no access to the 1st Heaven as he inhabits the man of sin.. but thats another long theological debate, of whom, he is very good at, the devil that is.. his activity is increasing, his tares and weeds are increasing, he's going to get that congregation, a global one at that, but you know what happens to tares or weeds.. they are bundled up and put in the fire.. indeed... the tares or weeds are abundant today.. even on here.. but by their 'fruit' ye shall know them.. lolz..

Viligant_Warrior · Apr 20, 2015

Bowhunter2394 said:

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You flunked the course in ironic sarcasm, right?

Grandpa · Apr 20, 2015

Word_Swordsman said:

Only if the Gospel would be efficacious in causing him to be born again... lol

Word_Swordsman · Apr 20, 2015

Bowhunter2394 said:

I am daily without unrepented sin. I have learned not to keep doing a sin that requires daily repentance, knowing that if that's the case, past repentance wasn't repentance, so those sins were standing before God unforgiven. Do you keep yours, or are you obeying the New Covenant concerning that?

Word_Swordsman · Apr 20, 2015

Grandpa said:

You left out the condition of being born again, leaving the whole thing up to God's love. Because of his love, he gives another chance to accept this gospel, believe, repent, then be born from above. Satan came from above, rebelling continually. He, nor anyone doing like he does, will go up.

Word_Swordsman · Apr 20, 2015

Bowhunter2394 said:

If you believe you can continue sinning because the blood of Jesus lets you do that by basically just doing what the demons do while trembling, you are deceived. Like the Devil, who will not see heaven again, all who openly rebel against God by deliberately sinning while believing holy God will wink over their sin lifestyles, will also fail to live there. They are choosing today to live wherever Satan will live forever, being Children of Darkness.

God destroyed all life on earth for probably a lot less reason than he has today. He destroyed the two cites afterward, Lot being spared because of Abraham. Would God apologize for all that, standing all those sinners back on their feet, dusting them off, restoring their fortunes, giving them choice seats around his throne? If not, then since he can't change, can't accept sin, he will not support sinners today, especially those saying they have Christ in them. Their warning comes from such scriptures as 1 Corinthians 5:3-5 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

That's a very mild preview of what God has in store for sinners proud of their sins by doing them over and over.

Word_Swordsman · Apr 20, 2015

Bowhunter2394 said:

Of course Stan doesn't have access to the 3rd Heaven, being kicked out as witnessed by Jesus, falling to earth like a bolt of lightening. So why then should anyone else have access to the 3rd Heaven for rebellion against God? I'll answer my own question. No child of the Devil will have access to anything but this earth's surface for a flash in time, then eternal death in hell, hell thrown into the lake burning with fire forever. One joins that evil family by refusing to turn away from sin, choosing to serve Satan instead. The way out of that has been made by Jesus dying on the cross, and salvation by faith in him by the grace of God. Without the grace, faith in Jesus would be meaningless, following yet another mortal man right up to his death for a cause. But Jesus was resurrected by the power of God, causing Jesus to die to sin, rise to new life.

MrsBee · Apr 20, 2015

Chris is the fulfillment of the law...Romans 10.4. Justification was not obtained in the law of Moses..Acts 13.39. Galatians 3.24.. The law was our guardian until Christ came. Lawlessness=Sin....1John 3.4,5;8..He who sins is of the devil.

dcontroversal · Apr 20, 2015

Maybe you should ask Paul and John......The law came by Moses and condemns everyone....Mercy and GRACE came by Jesus and removes the condemnation of the LAW for all who will exercise TRUE belief void of self......Paul also states clearly...if salvation is based upon adherance to the LAW then one MUST KEEP the entire LAW every second of every hour of every day of every month of every year until the moment they take their last breath......NO ONE can do that..and that is way it is OF GRACE, MERCY and FAITH.......the faith OF Christ unto ALL and upon ALL that believe!

slave · Apr 20, 2015

Word_Swordsman said:

Point well taken, but Jesus never had to die to sin He was sinless coming in that's why His sacrifice was able to obliterate our slavery to sin. Just a point I noticed, and Satan doesn't have to have us choose Him over God, we are already in his grip. He only needs to keep us away from the free gift of salvation offered in the blood of Christ. Having us miss the mark of Christ, ever so slightly.

Satan has the house odds on things. It makes sense to me then when God says whoa to you that the evil one has chosen to come down to us..

Hence, another take on the act of Jesus' sacrifice being more than conquering, and the fact that wide is the road to hell and narrow is the road to Salvation..

.It is ironic to me how Gods victory is so complete and so free, free of the law, grace handed out like candy, and the ultimate prize of heaven as reward not to mention, eternity with the ruler of the universe, toss in the toppings of peace Joy, love and a list longer than I can recall without looking up..,

yet Satan has the house- odds on influencing us to take that simple act of confession and belief and obedience and having us be tossed and turned like the wind, being even convinced that the way of the devil is the best way.

I see us as those simple dumb sheep....Thank God for Him being on our side we needed the loving powerful winning side to counter the odds. if we don't stay diligent and steadfast in Christ's free everything, we will someday see how silly not believing Christ really was.

slave · Apr 20, 2015

dcontroversal said:

Maybe you should ask Paul and John......The law came by Moses and condemns everyone....Mercy and GRACE came by Jesus and removes the condemnation of the LAW for all who will exercise TRUE belief void of self......Paul also states clearly...if salvation is based upon adherance to the LAW then one MUST KEEP the entire LAW every second of every hour of every day of every month of every year until the moment they take their last breath......NO ONE can do that..and that is way it is OF GRACE, MERCY and FAITH.......the faith OF Christ unto ALL and upon ALL that believe!

Except the sinless Christ that is..

slave · Apr 20, 2015

dcontroversal said:

Maybe you should ask Paul and John......The law came by Moses and condemns everyone....Mercy and GRACE came by Jesus and removes the condemnation of the LAW for all who will exercise TRUE belief void of self......Paul also states clearly...if salvation is based upon adherance to the LAW then one MUST KEEP the entire LAW every second of every hour of every day of every month of every year until the moment they take their last breath......NO ONE can do that..and that is way it is OF GRACE, MERCY and FAITH.......the faith OF Christ unto ALL and upon ALL that believe!

I believe we are in agreement but when you say the faith OF christ do you mean the faith IN Christ?.

WheresEnoch · Apr 20, 2015

Jason0047 said:

Some on this site are lost and have been given over to every perversion of thought and deed. We hope it is not many, I hope that those who endlessly keep saying they are free from truly having to repent or be obedient to Christ etc are only suffering from bad teachers and are not really breaking the laws of God without regard, pounding the nails in their own coffins.

So many lost sheep... Everywhere...

slave · Apr 20, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

Exactly as I think this is one thing overlooked as I see constantly people placing both God's moral laws and the written ordinances of the Mosaic laws as one, and saying Jesus did away with or abolished both because they can not see the distinction between the two the scriptures give.

Our Lord Jesus did not say He did away with, abolished, or even fulfilled the law.
What He actually said was that by His love working through us in obeying the 2 greatest commands fulfills the law, not His death on the cross that gives us remission of sins through Him. Apostle Paul reiterates this in Romans 13:9-11 and Romans 3:31 that love in faith establishes, upholds, and thus fulfills the law.

There is still standards believers are to uphold under the new covenant of grace, and we are told over and over again by Paul what we can and can not continue doing under grace in order to receive salvation through Christ.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

I dont disagree with your point in your very last thread here but only the fulfillment not being thru Christ Found directly in Matt 5:17. How do you answer that is all.

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