Crossing the Red Sea
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Sorry, I didn't mean to be come off sounding rude or short with you. I just prefer clearer explanation on things. In other words, what is your evidence that confirms the Biblical account. Lay it out for me simply. Dumb it down for me. Are these evidences written records? How old and reliable are these documents? Is the evidence an iron clad case?
What makes you think Arabia territory existed in Paul's time but it did not exist in that region prior? Why would Paul call it Arabia in his time and refer to Mt. Sinai? Did Paul get it right or wrong?
What makes you think Arabia territory existed in Paul's time but it did not exist in that region prior? Why would Paul call it Arabia in his time and refer to Mt. Sinai? Did Paul get it right or wrong?
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True, but I don't believe because there is no evidence that's THE mountain or that's THE cave. And, yeah, I've seen split rocks before. I used to live on the foothills of the Blue Ridge. Lots of rocks split. Kind of how they end up being sand. And how do you know it's Elijah's cave? Could have been Abraham's cave. (We don't know where that one is either, unless you believe legends that end up pointing back to 2000+ years after the fact.)
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And some great sculpturer of the Renaissance (I think Michelangelo, but I'm too lazy to look it up) made a sculpture of Moses with horns. Was that wrong? No, actually. The Ancient Hebrew word for that bright halo around Moses when he came down the mountain is "horn," but it's like "rays of the sun" in English.
He took a shot at making a sculpture of a famous guy from the Bible, and Moses has horns. Maybe if you weren't so busy proving your beliefs, you could adjust to God's beliefs.
He took a shot at making a sculpture of a famous guy from the Bible, and Moses has horns. Maybe if you weren't so busy proving your beliefs, you could adjust to God's beliefs.
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The second commandment. The don't make graven images of God commandment. We're not supposed to be picturing God at all. (Try that one on for size, as you claim to be sinless. lol) I admit. I do picture God. I won't go out of my way to put more pictures of him in my head. He's not pictureable. He's God. So while you're really cool imagining Jesus as a Middle-Eastern, I know the Bible doesn't describe his looks for that very reason. He is God. Second Commandment. So, are you any better than those who painted him Caucasian?
It's very laughable. You think you're perfect/sinless, just admitted you've seen pictures of God, and still dare to claim I sin, because I've seen the same things you have. LOL
Stop thinking you are the Bible, and get real. You're no better. (You may not be worse either.) I'm not laughing at the Bible. I'm laughing at you and hoping, some day, you can join in on this joke. We're not perfect. It's okay. We're still God's kids and he's still working on us to get us to perfect. That's okay too. Better than okay. That's his plan for his glory!
It's very laughable. You think you're perfect/sinless, just admitted you've seen pictures of God, and still dare to claim I sin, because I've seen the same things you have. LOL
Stop thinking you are the Bible, and get real. You're no better. (You may not be worse either.) I'm not laughing at the Bible. I'm laughing at you and hoping, some day, you can join in on this joke. We're not perfect. It's okay. We're still God's kids and he's still working on us to get us to perfect. That's okay too. Better than okay. That's his plan for his glory!
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Actually, most of the plagues weren't exactly miraculous, except for the timing of God.
The blood in the Nile? Probably a red tide of algae. That killed off the fish. What happens when fish are killed off in a river? They don't eat frog eggs. Next came the frogs. The frogs died off, leaving worse decay than usual. (They were bound to die, but as they were growing into tadpoles they were absorbing that deadly red tide, so it was worse.) What happens if you have wall-to-wall dead frogs? Carrion insects. Next came the flies. What do flies do? Splatter everything they touch with germs, bacteria, and viruses. Thus lesions, open scabs, and your basic ingredients for "pestilent."
They used the words they know. We can look back and see cause and effect. Still, why a red tide at that particular moment? How did each plague come right after Moses told the Pharaoh it's coming? And, to this day, we have no scientific explanation for why all the firstborns--humans and animals--died, except for those who put lambs blood on their door post and ate unleavened bread. The answer comes back to "God," but he didn't have to make miracles nonstop to cause it.
The blood in the Nile? Probably a red tide of algae. That killed off the fish. What happens when fish are killed off in a river? They don't eat frog eggs. Next came the frogs. The frogs died off, leaving worse decay than usual. (They were bound to die, but as they were growing into tadpoles they were absorbing that deadly red tide, so it was worse.) What happens if you have wall-to-wall dead frogs? Carrion insects. Next came the flies. What do flies do? Splatter everything they touch with germs, bacteria, and viruses. Thus lesions, open scabs, and your basic ingredients for "pestilent."
They used the words they know. We can look back and see cause and effect. Still, why a red tide at that particular moment? How did each plague come right after Moses told the Pharaoh it's coming? And, to this day, we have no scientific explanation for why all the firstborns--humans and animals--died, except for those who put lambs blood on their door post and ate unleavened bread. The answer comes back to "God," but he didn't have to make miracles nonstop to cause it.
Well, there is a point when the evidence keeps pointing to something it should give a person the hint that it is true. If you do not care to examine the evidence or consider it, then it does not matter what I say. If you made up your mind and just believe what you want to believe.... then that is what you will always see. But truth is not subject to our personal opinions, though. In other words, don't take my word for it. Watch the video I posted on this within this thread or go to YouTube and do a keyword search on "Exodus Revealed" and then pray about it.
Most Christian bookstores are in it for the money. Most sell books that are not always exactly Biblical.
In other words, no Christian bookstore is going to be perfect in what they sell. Remember, they are a business. I mean, have you ever bought anything off Amazon or Walmart or any other retail store? Are you condemned by God for shopping at Walmart because they sell books that are pagan?
In other words, no Christian bookstore is going to be perfect in what they sell. Remember, they are a business. I mean, have you ever bought anything off Amazon or Walmart or any other retail store? Are you condemned by God for shopping at Walmart because they sell books that are pagan?
Don't kid yourself Jason. I am no scholar either. It did not take me that long to dig this information out of scripture and if you will take the time to read it carefully you will see that the Jabel al Laws site simply does not correspond to the rout described in scripture. Back in the 1980's after Ron Wyatt published his findings on these two locations, I too was very impressed with what seemed to be indisputable evidence. Yet, the more I examined the "evidence" and Ron's conclusions, little things began to nag at me that just did not seem to fit. So I determined I was going to settle this matter in my own mind depending on how the evidence agreed or disagreed with the Bible. I was not looking to dispute or discredit Ron's conclusions, in fact, I wanted him to be right. Later, when I began creating a study outline for the book of Exodus for publication, I made the decision to take a more critical look at the proposed claims no matter where the evidence took me. At this point I still believed Ron was correct. I began to recreate the exodus route exclusively from the biblical account. When I completed this I began to see that the sites claimed by Ron could not possibly be correct based on the route given in the Bible. I then began a research into the "evidences" themselves. What I found was that Ron's supposed evidence did not support his claims. He has made a number of unwarranted assumptions based on insufficient evidence and his conclusions are founded on a maze of misrepresentations. The real evidence is in the biblical text, not in the archaeology.
First, the Commandment was to not make an image in heaven above and to worship it. As for visualizing Jesus: I really don't do that. So I don't know why you would assume I would do that. I know that he is Jewish in appearance but I don't have a specific Jewish person in my mind when I think about Jesus. Second, I am not claiming to have not sinned in the past. Sinless imples that I have never sinned. Which would not be true. Everyone has sinned. But believers do not stay as sinners, though. True believers confess and forsake sin. That is what it means to repent. For Jesus said the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. In Jonah 3, we learn they turned from their wicked ways as a part of their repentance.
Well, that is like saying... Hey, are you better because you don't murder or rape people? Well, in a manner speaking.... yes. One is better off in murdering and raping people because doing those things would make one to be dark and evil. For all sin is wrong and is rebellion against God. So I do not see the justification in one doing wrong. Yes, if a believer struggles with sin, we are not to think ourselves better than them like in the Parable of the Tax Collector. But that does not mean God does not want us to cease from sin, though. 1 Peter 4:1, and Galatians 5:24 make it clear that we are able to stop sinning.
You are imagining something that is not there.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God. If we do not have the Bible and hide it in our hearts and lives then we do not have faith or life.
Never said I was better. I believe we are nothing in and of ourselves and Christ is everything.
Only God will determine if you were laughing at the Bible or not. If you did, then I would ask for forgiveness on that.
No, it's not okay. Jesus said to be ye perfect as His Heavenly Father is perfect.
Jesus said his family are those who do the Father's will. So no. Not everyone who claims to be a believer are his kids. One has to be doing the will of the Father.
God will not be glorified in a person's life if they just make a mockery out of sin by thinking they will forever be a slave to it.
Well, that is like saying... Hey, are you better because you don't murder or rape people? Well, in a manner speaking.... yes. One is better off in murdering and raping people because doing those things would make one to be dark and evil. For all sin is wrong and is rebellion against God. So I do not see the justification in one doing wrong. Yes, if a believer struggles with sin, we are not to think ourselves better than them like in the Parable of the Tax Collector. But that does not mean God does not want us to cease from sin, though. 1 Peter 4:1, and Galatians 5:24 make it clear that we are able to stop sinning.
You are imagining something that is not there.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God. If we do not have the Bible and hide it in our hearts and lives then we do not have faith or life.
Never said I was better. I believe we are nothing in and of ourselves and Christ is everything.
Only God will determine if you were laughing at the Bible or not. If you did, then I would ask for forgiveness on that.
No, it's not okay. Jesus said to be ye perfect as His Heavenly Father is perfect.
Jesus said his family are those who do the Father's will. So no. Not everyone who claims to be a believer are his kids. One has to be doing the will of the Father.
God will not be glorified in a person's life if they just make a mockery out of sin by thinking they will forever be a slave to it.
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[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then the angel of God, who had been traveling in front of Israel’s army, withdrew and went behind them. The pillar of cloud also moved from in front and stood behind them, [SUP]20 [/SUP]coming between the armies of Egypt and Israel. Throughout the night the cloud brought darkness to the one side and light to the other side; so neither went near the other all night long.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and all that night the Lord drove the sea back with a strong east wind and turned it into dry land. The waters were divided, [SUP]22 [/SUP]and the Israelites went through the sea on dry ground, with a wall of water on their right and on their left.
wall of water on the right and left...seems pretty deep to have huge walls of water on both sides of you. And that's how God did it, a very strong east wind. He is God, is anything to hard for Him? Why are you people doubting what God allowed to be written in what would become our Bible? Don't you have any faith He is capable of protecting the narrative at all? O ye of little faith!
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and all that night the Lord drove the sea back with a strong east wind and turned it into dry land. The waters were divided, [SUP]22 [/SUP]and the Israelites went through the sea on dry ground, with a wall of water on their right and on their left.
wall of water on the right and left...seems pretty deep to have huge walls of water on both sides of you. And that's how God did it, a very strong east wind. He is God, is anything to hard for Him? Why are you people doubting what God allowed to be written in what would become our Bible? Don't you have any faith He is capable of protecting the narrative at all? O ye of little faith!
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then the angel of God, who had been traveling in front of Israel’s army, withdrew and went behind them. The pillar of cloud also moved from in front and stood behind them, [SUP]20 [/SUP]coming between the armies of Egypt and Israel. Throughout the night the cloud brought darkness to the one side and light to the other side; so neither went near the other all night long.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and all that night the Lord drove the sea back with a strong east wind and turned it into dry land. The waters were divided, [SUP]22 [/SUP]and the Israelites went through the sea on dry ground, with a wall of water on their right and on their left.
wall of water on the right and left...seems pretty deep to have huge walls of water on both sides of you. And that's how God did it, a very strong east wind. He is God, is anything to hard for Him? Why are you people doubting what God allowed to be written in what would become our Bible? Don't you have any faith He is capable of protecting the narrative at all? O ye of little faith!
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and all that night the Lord drove the sea back with a strong east wind and turned it into dry land. The waters were divided, [SUP]22 [/SUP]and the Israelites went through the sea on dry ground, with a wall of water on their right and on their left.
wall of water on the right and left...seems pretty deep to have huge walls of water on both sides of you. And that's how God did it, a very strong east wind. He is God, is anything to hard for Him? Why are you people doubting what God allowed to be written in what would become our Bible? Don't you have any faith He is capable of protecting the narrative at all? O ye of little faith!
Who is Doubting? Nobody is Doubting.. were just discussing the 'routes' that have been proposed that is all.. I know for a Fact He did what He did.. the exact Precise Location? not sure. we have His Word to guide us. As far as my exact knowledge of the the crossing over , this NOT dependant on whether God kicks me out and sends a lightning bolt down upon me because of my not knowing educationally on the correct spot... NO THAT IS NOT GOD but another 'god'... We know He did what He did.. and personally I know He did, I dont have to see the place to believe.. I know He did it.. indeed! I can BELIEVE without Seeing, because I've Seen His Mighty Hand in my life Personally. oh yes.. indeed!
Well, first, Mr Wyatt was not the sole person involved in the Red Sea discovery or even the Mt. Sinai one (In the locations I am referring to). Other people have contributed in a way that he didn't or couldn't. In fact, I am not a fan of Mr. Wyatt because I have heard some bad rumors about how he handles evidence (from several different sources). Whether he is right or wrong in what he does, only God can tell.
Second, you cannot just use the Bible to claim you are right on this point. In other words, a person can take a verse out of context and make it say just about anything they want it to say. History and Science do not conflict with the Scriptures but they are in harmony with Scripture.
Second, you cannot just use the Bible to claim you are right on this point. In other words, a person can take a verse out of context and make it say just about anything they want it to say. History and Science do not conflict with the Scriptures but they are in harmony with Scripture.
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