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not rightly dividing. correctly is different than rightly dividing. yes, adam was the one accountable.
just like the men of Israel, when balaam could not curse them. he let the ENEMY KNOW how to get the men / Israel cursed by YAHWEH. he told the ENEMY, and the ENEMY did, get women to dance naked or not so much clothed, seductively , to entice and entrap and tempt the men of Israel,
and the men of Israel fell to the women's temptations, because the men were accountable to YAHWEH,
even though the women did not dress modestly (duh!) YAHWEH did not release the men from HIS PUNISHMENT -- the men were punished,
even though it was the women, the pagan women, who enticed them to sin. balaam also was punished btw, for telling them how to get YAHWEH to curse ISRAEL.
and the pagan women were destroyed, but not for this. just for being pagan. well, maybe for this too.
just like the men of Israel, when balaam could not curse them. he let the ENEMY KNOW how to get the men / Israel cursed by YAHWEH. he told the ENEMY, and the ENEMY did, get women to dance naked or not so much clothed, seductively , to entice and entrap and tempt the men of Israel,
and the men of Israel fell to the women's temptations, because the men were accountable to YAHWEH,
even though the women did not dress modestly (duh!) YAHWEH did not release the men from HIS PUNISHMENT -- the men were punished,
even though it was the women, the pagan women, who enticed them to sin. balaam also was punished btw, for telling them how to get YAHWEH to curse ISRAEL.
and the pagan women were destroyed, but not for this. just for being pagan. well, maybe for this too.
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When it come to a man being told what to do by a woman (and God backing her up) it was with Sarahs words to Abraham regarding Hagar and Ishmael being cast out. Abraham was grieved about the matter. God told him not be and instructed Abraham to listen to his wife Sarah (who told him to cast out the bondwoman and her son). These things are later expounded on as being allegorical, Abraham's two sons by these women are later shown as two covenants. But even in this thing it does show a woman teling a man what to do and God telling him to listen to her.
J
I'm thinking I deserve the same money for the same job as a man gets. lol
(I am a feminist.
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(I am a feminist.
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I'm thinking I deserve the same money for the same job as a man gets. lol
(I am a feminist.)
(I am a feminist.
)you will be willing to do what ever GOD says to do, joyfully and willingly and wholeheartedly(GOD doesn't take someone half-hearted/lukewarm/etc)
and accept whatever GOD says you are to accept (not what any man nor any woman says). no more -ists or humanism or socialism or whatever...
J
Some favorite verses this world really, really needs, when you think of what's behind so much strife,
Galatians 3:27-28 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
I believe this extends into a proverb for the human race. If everybody only fully realized we all bleed when we're cut, get cold in the winter, and put our pants on the same way. This is important.
Galatians 3:27-28 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
I believe this extends into a proverb for the human race. If everybody only fully realized we all bleed when we're cut, get cold in the winter, and put our pants on the same way. This is important.
We men deserve no sympathy.
What seldom is ever discussed between Adam and Eve is what original sin entered into the world by one man[Romans 5.12].
Yes Eve was deceived[2 Cor 11.3 & 1 Tim 2.14], and fell into transgression, but that was not the original sin that entered the world.
Sin entered into the world because Adam listened to Eve and not God.
Adam was the man first to disobey[Romans 5.19], because God told him, before Eve was even created[Gen 2.21-22]. DO NOT EAT OF THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL [Gen 2.17] Adam had the choice to listen to Eve or remind Eve what God had told him and obey God. He failed to obey God by listening to Eve and Eve is not culpable for that, her culpability was being deceived.
Romans 5.19 says:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
Just a general statement here, but the belief the Eve sinned first is great for male egos and male traditions not founded on scripture. The Bible shows us clearly if we rightly divide it, that SIN entered into the world by man and by his disobedience over God's word.
What seldom is ever discussed between Adam and Eve is what original sin entered into the world by one man[Romans 5.12].
Yes Eve was deceived[2 Cor 11.3 & 1 Tim 2.14], and fell into transgression, but that was not the original sin that entered the world.
Sin entered into the world because Adam listened to Eve and not God.
Adam was the man first to disobey[Romans 5.19], because God told him, before Eve was even created[Gen 2.21-22]. DO NOT EAT OF THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL [Gen 2.17] Adam had the choice to listen to Eve or remind Eve what God had told him and obey God. He failed to obey God by listening to Eve and Eve is not culpable for that, her culpability was being deceived.
Romans 5.19 says:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
Just a general statement here, but the belief the Eve sinned first is great for male egos and male traditions not founded on scripture. The Bible shows us clearly if we rightly divide it, that SIN entered into the world by man and by his disobedience over God's word.
E
well there is always the last Psalm for those who think women should be walking 2 steps behind
in every thread I have read or participated in over my 6 or 7 years of contributing in Christian forums, (and here I mean no disrespect etc), the man who starts this kind of thread may very well have a personal axe to grind
now I don't know the op of course, so this is not an accusation
but boy oh boy are there two sides to this one
now I'll wait for the flack...getting my jacket on now
in every thread I have read or participated in over my 6 or 7 years of contributing in Christian forums, (and here I mean no disrespect etc), the man who starts this kind of thread may very well have a personal axe to grind
now I don't know the op of course, so this is not an accusation
but boy oh boy are there two sides to this one
now I'll wait for the flack...getting my jacket on now
J
Yeah, but I tried "he did it first" as a kid, and it didn't work with Mom either.
A
(Siggggghhhh!)
I guess we didn't get through.
On the good news side, I'm very glad my hubby doesn't believe this junk. Of course, if he did, it's unlikely he'd be my hubby.
We are very much equal. It's just that I can't do some stuff he can and he can't do some stuff I can. We're not built the same, and I'm a bit more delicate (in strength and emotions, not in words coming out of my mouth lol), so that's different. We are equal in how God sees us, and we are equal to the task that is marriage.
The only thing he has over me is final say, but, since he loves me, that doesn't come up to often. We tend towards consensus because we are equal. I get one vote. He gets one vote. If our votes differ, we confer until one of us can get the other to agree. If that doesn't happen, I willingly give him the tie-breaker vote.
I guess we didn't get through.
On the good news side, I'm very glad my hubby doesn't believe this junk. Of course, if he did, it's unlikely he'd be my hubby.
We are very much equal. It's just that I can't do some stuff he can and he can't do some stuff I can. We're not built the same, and I'm a bit more delicate (in strength and emotions, not in words coming out of my mouth lol), so that's different. We are equal in how God sees us, and we are equal to the task that is marriage.
The only thing he has over me is final say, but, since he loves me, that doesn't come up to often. We tend towards consensus because we are equal. I get one vote. He gets one vote. If our votes differ, we confer until one of us can get the other to agree. If that doesn't happen, I willingly give him the tie-breaker vote.
A
I'm saying, at the end of that day, both did it. Neither side was innocent. And, it comes down to every single one of us would have done the same thing.
I try not to see it as a male/female issue. It's the nature-of-Man issue. Had they not done that, we would have had more power to not do it, but they did and we would have too, so speculating on how it would look like if... is about as useful as me speculating what it would mean as a Philadelphian if the Eagles had won every Super Bowl. It's fun, but it's not the real history. The hand was dealt, played, and now on to the next hand.
I try not to see it as a male/female issue. It's the nature-of-Man issue. Had they not done that, we would have had more power to not do it, but they did and we would have too, so speculating on how it would look like if... is about as useful as me speculating what it would mean as a Philadelphian if the Eagles had won every Super Bowl. It's fun, but it's not the real history. The hand was dealt, played, and now on to the next hand.