The curse of the law

[slave]

We have agreed that to love another is to rebuke them, attempting to redirect them, and keep them from suffering in sin which is a curse of the law. (Galatians 3:13) Thank you for attempting to rebuke me because you believe I am wrong. I think your motives are righteous. "Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord." (Leviticus 19:17-18)

To be ignorant is to be unaware. To be ignorant of one's actions is to be unaware of what one is actually doing. It's not a derogatory statement, for everybody is ignorant to something. If a person knows that there is not supposed to be schism in the body of Christ, and is ignorant to the fact that it's norm for them to cause division, it is necessary for another to enlighten that person of what they are actually doing so they will no longer be ignorant to the reality of their involvement. They will change their ways if they are sincere. There has always been a sacrifice for sinning in ignorance. Leviticus 5:15-18, and Acts 17:30

If they are not ignorant, and continue to cause schism within the ranks of the church, then there is a real problem, for they are doing things on purpose that the Word of God says not to do. So what's worse, being enlightened to a situation that they are unaware of, or purposefully attributing to the tactics of the adversary. I prefer rebuke even though it might sound hurtful at the beginning, but it is not my place to condemn if there is no repentance (changing of ways).

"Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby." Hebrews 12:11

The response, after enlightenment, can be very enlightening to those who observe. Give it time, and see if there is a change turning away from causing schism, and turning to a sincere desire of cohesiveness within the body of Christ.

Matthew 7:16-20
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

I truly believe we are trying to say the same thing, but I also must say we are not actually saying the same thing. I don't agree that "to love another is to rebuke them." Rebuking does not assume the foundation to love. But love should always have a foundation to Rebuke. And we never rebuke, or are given rebuke within our powers. We have only been given one right..to reconcile period. We have been given authority to Stand against Satan, but we are not given the right to rebuke him either, this is the Lords task. Standing consists of not moving from the position we Stand in; and that is Christ, Christ then does the work thru us, with His power of authority power to not move in our position. Sometimes to even flee for the sake of that stand. Never to attack, for why would we need to beat something already beaten?. Our merge with the Father thru Christ is a merge of sonship not Lordship.

Now, In reconciliation there is rebuke, but never from us. But from Scripture, which is from whom? God Himself! We then must qualify our approach, demeanor, and nature, along with the characteristics of Gods Word to speak in accordance with a worker of Christ to minister that reconciliation:

A good listener, A person with sincere Love for not just their brethren, but for all men, even the least lovable, and even our enemy, we must have a mind to suffer, We must be able to buffet the body and make it our slave, we must stay diligent to the transparency of our own weaknesses and to the laws and decrees laid down in scripture, and lay at the foot of God any discrepancies to the Words calling, to be self-controlled, in our mind, we must restrain ourselves from speaking, we must remain stable, and non-subjective, we must be proper with our interests toward money and possessions,

It is a fine line it appears in our indifference, yet the outcome is worlds apart. Both to the deliverers outcome, and the recipients outcome. God never gives us His work to do, ever. He gives of Himself to do His work thru us.. This is not just semantics, this is the difference between judgement and grace. But I know we both want to serve the same Master, I pray we can get on the same page. 95% of the right words doesn't make the 5% of the wrong ones right.

 

[Elin]

. . .so much for
if Israel had refused the covenant, then they would not have been under a curse.

Perhaps,
unless the continuing relationship were conditional on acceptance. That could be seen as inferred; but certainly not explicit.

Elin, I answered YOUR question at first by saying I didn't see rejection
(of the law and covenant) as an option.

So, Marc, I understand your answer to be,
"NO, because a continuing relationship with God depended on their acceptance of the laws and the covenant."

Thanks.

In the beginning MarcR was answering her strawman. . .

How deceptive

What deception?

Are you saying I misrepresented Marc's answer to me?

Are you sure it is just Marc you are misunderstanding?

Elin, I'll let others read what should be plain for them to them

Sure would appreciate a straight answer to my question. . .I don't understand code.

You made the unsubstantiated charge of deception, and you will not explain to what you are referring?

Now that's deceptive. . .you're right, this is all really an eye-opener.

 

[Elin]

Sure would appreciate a straight answer to my question. . .I don't understand code.

You made the unsubstantiated charge of deception, and you will not explain to what you are referring?

Now that's deceptive. . .you're right, this is all really an eye-opener.

I am off this thread because this is evil

No argument there. . .

 

[JesusIsAll]

Sure would appreciate a straight answer to my question. . .I don't understand code.

You made the unsubstantiated charge of deception, and you will not explain to what you are referring?

Now that's deceptive. . .you're right, this is all really an eye-opener.

Don't know what law has got grace all cursed-up into a convoluted gospel of this thread, and I'm not trying to derail anything, but I wish I knew how to nest all those comments like that. It would be darned good to print for target practice, have a point system, even bonus points for holes within the boundaries of self-righteous comments.

(If you're doing it by manually encasing quotes in each other, never mind. I refuse to go to that much trouble, even for target practice with legalism.)

 

[Elin]

Don't know what law has got grace all cursed-up into a convoluted gospel of this thread,

and I'm not trying to derail anything, but I wish I knew how to nest all those comments like that.
It would be darned good to print for target practice, have a point system, even bonus points for holes within the boundaries of self-righteous comments.

(If you're doing it by manually encasing quotes in each other, never mind. I refuse to go to that much trouble,
even for target practice with legalism.)

ROFLOL!!!

Mercy! Mercy! Mercy! . . .you're killin' me over here!

 

[Elin]

Don't know what law has got grace all cursed-up into a convoluted gospel of this thread,

and I'm not trying to derail anything, but I wish I knew how to nest all those comments like that.
It would be darned good to print for target practice, have a point system, even bonus points for holes within the boundaries of self-righteous comments.

(If you're doing it by manually encasing quotes in each other, never mind. I refuse to go to that much trouble,

ROFLOL!!!

Mercy! . .Mercy! . .Mercy! . . .you're killin' me over here!

Dey dun ben keepin' tu much compny wid duh Elduh Floyd. . .

 

[JesusIsAll]

ROFLOL!!!

Mercy! Mercy! Mercy! . . .you're killin' me over here!

I really am pathetic! Seriously, I don't know how to nest comments like that, except to trudge through nesting the

hypertext stuff. For some reason, I've been thinking there's some feature you use to zip them all together like that.

(I be askin Elduh Floyd, 'ceptin he's jus gittin 'round ta' telefone boook numberins 'n tekno logicals. Anyhoo, 'ceptin also Floyd still be tad touchee o'er bad mouthin hiz goat milk, Hatter mad touchee, troot be know'd, mercy on da' half shell!)

 

[JesusIsAll]

Dey dun ben keepin' tu much compny wid duh Elduh Floyd. . .

But iffin ah ev'r duz anythin crimnull, it be's mah deefence, whut bein 'roun Elduh Floyd does folk, mercy gone AWOL!

 

[Elin]

I really am pathetic! Seriously, I don't know how to nest comments like that, except to trudge through nesting the hypertext stuff. For some reason, I've been thinking there's some feature you use to zip them all together like that.

(I be askin Elduh Floyd, 'ceptin he's jus gittin 'round ta' telefone boook numberins 'n tekno logicals. Anyhoo, 'ceptin also Floyd still be tad touchee o'er bad mouthin hiz goat milk, Hatter mad touchee, troot be know'd, mercy on da' half shell!)

Tad touchee, eh, 'bout bad mouthin' hiz goat milk. . .mercy on da' half shell. . .just too funny. . .

Mercy!

 

[Elin]

A couple of birds encouraged me to reread,

In the beginning MarcR was answering her strawman. . .
How deceptive

What deception?

Are you saying I misrepresented Marc's answer to me?

Are you sure it is just Marc you are misunderstanding?

Elin, I'll let others read what should be plain for them to them since
I am being told what I have missed by others.

Maybe it's not plain to you because it's not true. . .

I am off this thread because this is evil

No argument there. . .

Maybe you've chosen the wrong birds for counselors who have involved you in evil.

Just sayin'. . .

 

[Elin]

it has not been possible to 'correct' things, because the 'hidden' agenda is never revealed(so far)...
there is obviously a "school of religious thought or study" , something of that kind, being posted again and again, and in error, but not always seen for what they are --- the error is sometimes subtle, sometimes obvious, but so far not admitted (the error coming from the 'school', whatever it is --- like maybe it comes from andrew murr... (on tv), or some other web/tv/media propaganda that 'sounds' right and good to some, but is untrue and disastrous to true faith.... even sometimes in older believers because the deception is so subtle and can have such bad effects even if it is not revealed nor brought out in the open

Elin, when I first joined CC I thought that you had some problems with understanding others. I took that all in stride, for I have always had a hard time communicating with you. Your verbiage was admirable, and I thought that you might have some things to share, and agree with you on. I was wrong in assuming that.

I finally put you on ignore because conversations with you always turned out to be a conflict. As the months have passed by, many others have seen how you really are because you have exposed yourself. I feel sorry for you for real. I don't know what your problem is, but when you said that the Strong's Concordance was pagan to refute what I posted, and then days later you said you were just kidding, that's when I gave up and put you on ignore.

Most of what you post is utterly superfluous, and unnecessary, and you have made an impression on many here in CC, but it isn't a positive one. If you could become humble enough to realize other people have substantial things to present, you might have a chance to get over whatever you have and begin to communicate as Christians are exhorted to do by God's Word. Ignorance is not a demeaning word, it just means not learned.

Elin's intelligence could be put to good use if controversy was at a lesser rate than what she is involved in normally. This is clearly seen, and I also think about the visitors that read these discussions that go no where. There are others also that twist things up. Whether it's on purpose or not I don't know,

I always find it interesting when the knife of slander is preceded by a compliment to lighten the error
in it.
Justification is the sister of Judgement.

In reminiscence of "Cool Hand Luke, "What we have here is not a failure to communicate."

The "subtle deception," "conflict" and "controversy" are the way--
in response to consistently erroneous presentations of Scripture which give more authority
to some NT Scriptures over other NT Scriptures, in spite of the "All" of 2Tim 3:16--
that some experience continuing presentation of all Scripture as equal in authority, bar none,
in the consistent response made to this setting of one Scripture over another,
or of setting them against themselves.

And, or course, this would not make a "positive impression" on those of such persuasion.

Hence the slander in an ungodly effort to shame and silence, which is typical of those of this persuasion.

 

[Jeff_56]

like i said elin, whatever you are, your problems are too long , too long ago, too deep, to even hope to find anyone on this forum to help you.
of course, as or if you don't seek help, others will just continue to re-enforce/build up/justify your existence and probably help you feel better about yourself.
this forum isn't set up in such a way that you can be helped.
if you do find the truth, the truth will set you free- that's yahweh's promise, so it is absolute.
so, we will pray that you may actually, honestly, seek the truth from yahweh.

 

[Elin]

like i said elin, whatever you are, your problems are too long , too long ago, too deep, to even hope to find anyone on this forum to help you.

Thanks. . .that's good news. . .because it does go back to long ago, all the way back to the NT,
and I really don't want to be separated from the fact that all the NT Scriptures are of equal authority...
nor from addressing any presentations which vary from that fact.

 

[Grandpa]

Thanks. . .that's good news. . .because it does go back to long ago, all the way back to the NT,
and I really don't want to be separated from the fact that all the NT Scriptures are of equal authority...
nor from addressing any presentations which vary from that fact.

I'm growing seeds in my dining/sun room. I want to help them out by taking dirt and dead seed stuff off them, but I know they have to do it themselves so they can grow strong. And I know I can't pull the weeds out now because that could cause my seedlings to come up with them.

So I've decided to just keep watering them and hope that they grow strong. And then I can pull the weeds out later.

It would be kind of cool to just put the weeds on ignore. But that doesn't cause real weeds to stop growing...

 

[slave]

like i said elin, whatever you are, your problems are too long , too long ago, too deep, to even hope to find anyone on this forum to help you.
of course, as or if you don't seek help, others will just continue to re-enforce/build up/justify your existence and probably help you feel better about yourself.
this forum isn't set up in such a way that you can be helped.
if you do find the truth, the truth will set you free- that's yahweh's promise, so it is absolute.
so, we will pray that you may actually, honestly, seek the truth from yahweh.

Apparently the yahweh you know is not the Lord I know: God tells us never to crush the spirit of a weaker brother or sister. The only debate here is who is the weaker brother. God demonstrates His love for the sinners thru Himself and us by example, and has called us to example His example....What does Yahweh example?:

Matt. 5:13-16: Let our light shine before others, We are the salt of the earth.

Philippians 2:14-15: We are to do this without grumbling or arguing. We are to live above reproach ourselves, confident in our position, and that not of ourselves, but that of Christ found in us. In this way this Forum, as you put it will have something to offer--we will be like stars, scripture says, shining among men.

Matt. 5:43-48: We need to love at a higher standard than the World. We need to love perfectly as Christ did. By loving our enemies and even praying for those who chose to harm us.

Luke 14: 12-14: We need to put the unbeliever at the top of the list at the invite list at our dinner table. Our hearts need to shift from the worlds order of acceptance of people, to the example set by our Lord and savior.

Col. 4: 5-6: We need to start with grace and be wise, remembering that we are the salt of peoples lives, make the most of every opportunity by stating things to aid the quest for reconciliation to God, and not turn people away from it.

We need to be placed firmly in Christ, receiving our power and verbal deliveries thru Him to do His good works. We need to live a loving lifestyle affirming Gods Word, by living at a different level of love than people of this world can even obtain to. Our gift offered to people should be a single-minded response with only one at the Head of the table: Christ. And peace should be the outcome of our meetings.

Friendships with people are important. The non-christian and our brothers and sisters. Respect should be the result of trust developed thru commonality, and our ability to simply connect. Friendships soften the mind to receive, and attaches our example of Christ to their hearts.

May God bless us all and may our pride receive the death sentence it deserves.

 

[Elin]

In reminiscence of "Cool Hand Luke, "What we have here is not a failure to communicate."

The "subtle deception," "conflict" and "controversy" are the way that some experience
continuing presentation of all Scripture as equal in authority, bar none (2Tim 3:16), in
the consistent responses made to this setting of one Scripture over another, or of setting them against themselves.

And, or course, this would not make a "positive impression" on those of such persuasion.

Hence the slander in an ungodly effort to shame and silence, which is typical of those of this persuasion.

like i said elin, whatever you are, your problems are too long , too long ago, too deep, to even hope to find anyone on this forum to help you.

Thanks. . .that's good news. . .because it does go back to long ago, all the way back to the NT writers,
and I really don't want to be separated from the fact that all the NT Scriptures are of equal authority. . .nor from addressing any presentations which vary from that fact.

of course, as or if you don't seek help, others will just continue to re-enforce/build up/justify your existence and probably help you feel better about yourself.
this forum isn't set up in such a way that you can be helped.
if you do find the truth, the truth will set you free- that's yahweh's promise, so it is absolute.
so, we will pray that you may actually, honestly, seek the truth from yahweh.

Apparently the yahweh you know is not the Lord I know: God tells us never to crush the spirit of a weaker brother or sister. The only debate here is who is the weaker brother.

God demonstrates His love for the sinners thru Himself and us by example, and has called us to example His example....What does Yahweh example?:

Matt. 5:13-16: Let our light shine before others, We are the salt of the earth.

Philippians 2:14-15: We are to do this without grumbling or arguing. We are to live above reproach ourselves, confident in our position, and that not of ourselves, but that of Christ found in us. In this way this Forum, as you put it will have something to offer--we will be like stars, scripture says, shining among men.

Matt. 5:43-48: We need to love at a higher standard than the World. We need to love perfectly as Christ did. By loving our enemies and even praying for those who chose to harm us.

Luke 14: 12-14: We need to put the unbeliever at the top of the list at the invite list at our dinner table. Our hearts need to shift from the worlds order of acceptance of people, to the example set by our Lord and savior.

Col. 4: 5-6: We need to start with grace and be wise, remembering that we are the salt of peoples lives, make the most of every opportunity by stating things to aid the quest for reconciliation to God, and not turn people away from it.

We need to be placed firmly in Christ, receiving our power and verbal deliveries thru Him to do His good works. We need to live a loving lifestyle affirming Gods Word, by living at a different level of love than people of this world can even obtain to. Our gift offered to people should be a single-minded response with only one at the Head of the table: Christ. And peace should be the outcome of our meetings.

Friendships with people are important. The non-christian and our brothers and sisters. Respect should be the result of trust developed thru commonality, and our ability to simply connect. Friendships soften the mind to receive, and attaches our example of Christ to their hearts.

May God bless us all and may our pride receive the death sentence it deserves.

Good counsel. . .

 

[Reborn]

like i said elin, whatever you are, your problems are too long , too long ago, too deep, to even hope to find anyone on this forum to help you.
of course, as or if you don't seek help, others will just continue to re-enforce/build up/justify your existence and probably help you feel better about yourself.
this forum isn't set up in such a way that you can be helped.
if you do find the truth, the truth will set you free- that's yahweh's promise, so it is absolute.
so, we will pray that you may actually, honestly, seek the truth from yahweh.

Nice.
Such an uplifting kind of guy.


Do you write these pearls of wisdom in your journal or your coloring books?

 

[Utah]

"What we have here is not a failure to communicate."

Great movie!!!

But remember, its not a failure to communicate, its, failure to communicate. No a.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

 

[just-me]

If we classify sin in respect to God's Word rather than our own, we then can love others as God intended. Until that time, there will always be a matter of opinion that instigates aggravation, antagonism, argument and controversy. It is our obligation to identify who started it, and why, in order to put a stop to it. If there is no edification with consideration, be aware. I try to live by my signature. "Try" with sincerity of intent.

Leviticus 19:17-18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother (sister) in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.

 

[newlife7]

You can see many things in the Old testament. For instance you can see the history of Israel, you can see the promised coming of the Messiah, you can see a shadow of the promises He brings to His believers, however, you will never see the righteousness of God there because the book of Romans say that it comes to us apart from the law ( which in the Greek means Old Testament) Notice it says apart from the law not added to it not mixed together, but apart from the law. Many may argue differently,however many people will also say Lord, Lord did we not cast out demons, and prophesy in your name and He will say depart from me I never knew you.