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Shalom. the fact that your aware of the need to be close to him and that you care shows that you are not completely separated from him like you may think, question: was David a man after gods own heart? was David still a man after gods own heart when he committed adultery and murder? in psalm 51 after david had done these deeds we read "restore unto me the joy of your salvation" you should pray the same...
No. God did not force you to call upon the Lord to save you one day. Nor did He just force His salvation and love upon you, either. Surely you cannot say you did absolutely nothing as a part of coming to Christ. Surely you did not do nothing to be saved one day. Not a chance. So why do you think it is any different when you walk with Christ? One has to yield to God. One has to repent. It's not a one time event in your life. One has to walk with God and continue to abide in Christ. Also, one has to repent of their sins, too. In fact, Jesus defined repentance for us. So you cannot redefine repentance to something that you prefer. Jesus said the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. In Jonah chapter 3 we read that the Ninevites had turned from their wicked ways as a part of their repentance. So repentance includes turning from one's evil ways. 1 John 1:9 also says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. 1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the light as he is in the light then the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. Paul says he keeps his body under subjection, otherwise he could be disqualified or cast away. Keeping his body in subjection is making sure you do not sin. Paul said examine yourselves whether you be in Christ or not unless you be reprobates. Paul also essentially said that if any man speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness, they are proud and they know nothing. If you are telling us to just ignore sin, then you are teaching unGodliness or unrighteous behavior. If this is what you mean, then surely this teaching is not good or of God.
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I am more than happy to do so. But for starters.... the words right before the passage she quotes deals with how certain cities will be condemned because they did not repent. I mentioned how repentance is necessary and I mentioned how Jesus defines repentance for us in my previous post with his reference to Jonah chapter 3. I was a little tight for time, so I did not go into breaking apart the context of every verse she quoted. But I am more than happy to do so later. It's not a problem.
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Lol..Jason you accuse Angela of redefining repentance to what she prefers ? Who gives you the right to assume ones feelings? You always tell us we need to repent...and I assure you I do!...but...Why dont you repent for your sin of false teachings...and stop picking on members...when they love God...tell me what makes you so glorious because you sure love telling good people here what makes us such failures all the time. Good day.
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Do not presume to tell me how I came to the Lord. Do not presume to tell me how God totally and utterly saved me, through no work of my own.
Do not lecture me on the Bible, I know it far better than you will ever know it. I read the WHOLE council of God, I do not cherry pick to prove me deviant heresies you continually spin here, instead of actually dealing with the OP, or the Scriptures other people post.
I will admit, I forgot one thing about the word "transform" in Romans 12:2 and also in 2 Cor. 3:18. It is in the PASSIVE tense. It is also in the imperative. So God commands that we allow HIM to change and transform us.
That is a big part of your problem Jason! You have absolutely no knowledge of Biblical languages.
The other part of your problem, which I think pretty much most people have concluded, is that you are not saved, and you are obsessed with sin, instead of Christ's redeeming work on the cross.
Deal with the verses I posted, or shut up! I do have you on ignore, which I find to be very peacefull! But I did see that you did not comment on the verses, so I thought I would give you a small piece of my mind! Of course, there is lots more where that came from.
So I guess you have never heard my testimony? About how I was an alcoholic bar musician, when God came to me and revealed himself?? How God told me to never drink again, to read the Bible and to turn my life towards him?
Repentance, in the Greek and the Hebrew means "to turn away." That is, it means to "turn away from sin."
I did not post anything from Jonah and as far as Matt 11, I think the passage stands by itself. The warnings to the cities may be in the same chapter, but you obviously do not realize that the verses and chapters are not inspired, having been added much later. So really, your context is totally erroneous. And believe me, I know more about the context of the verses I used than you ever will.
"The chapter divisions commonly used today were developed by Stephen Langton, an Archbishop of Canterbury. Langton put the modern chapter divisions into place in around A.D. 1227. The Wycliffe English Bible of 1382 was the first Bible to use this chapter pattern. Since the Wycliffe Bible, nearly all Bible translations have followed Langton's chapter divisions.
The Hebrew Old Testament was divided into verses by a Jewish rabbi by the name of Nathan in A.D. 1448. Robert Estienne, who was also known as Stephanus, was the first to divide the New Testament into standard numbered verses, in 1555. Stephanus essentially used Nathan's verse divisions for the Old Testament. Since that time, beginning with the Geneva Bible, the chapter and verse divisions employed by Stephanus have been accepted into nearly all the Bible versions.
Read more: Who divided the Bible into chapters and verses? Why and when was it done?"
There are mistakes, see Matt 19:30 and Matt 20:16 if you don't believe me.
I just have to wonder who made you judge, executor and jury, Jason??
So glad that God is in control, not you!
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Brothers and Sisters,
I have to confess, I wasn't expecting four pages worth of responses but I absoultely thank you for them. I'm working on reading through them right now. I did do a bit of skimming and noticed that there were a few posts that contained links and videos. I've watched one already, but I would like to view all of the material and scripture, since you all took the time to include detailed responses. I'm more likely to answer the questions that were directed at me, but that isn't to say I don't value all of the input. Give me a bit to read through, and I"ll reply soon.
And by soon I don't mean "behold I am coming soon," sort of soon. Soon as in less than 2 hrs.
( I say that lightheartedly. I do understand Christ could return at any given moment in accordance to His will.)
I have to confess, I wasn't expecting four pages worth of responses but I absoultely thank you for them. I'm working on reading through them right now. I did do a bit of skimming and noticed that there were a few posts that contained links and videos. I've watched one already, but I would like to view all of the material and scripture, since you all took the time to include detailed responses. I'm more likely to answer the questions that were directed at me, but that isn't to say I don't value all of the input. Give me a bit to read through, and I"ll reply soon.
And by soon I don't mean "behold I am coming soon," sort of soon. Soon as in less than 2 hrs.
( I say that lightheartedly. I do understand Christ could return at any given moment in accordance to His will.)
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I'm thankful for those of you who reminded me that I am not alone, of Christ's love and the forgiveness we can find in Him. I am disappointed that the tone of the thread turned quite negative multiple times. However, I understand that that is likely because of a passion to make sure that what you feel is Truth is spoken. At least, I really hope that's the case and it isn't a matter of being right.
Some of you alluded to beginning my mornings with prayer. I will say nothing against this! These are good ideas. I also have to tell you, however, that I have a closet shelf cluttered with journals I've barely used, and I've yet keep a new year's resolution. (In other words: I'm terrible at establishing habits, but I will certainly put forth effort).
Someone mentioned that I was being quite general about falling away from God periodically. I'm sorry for not being very thorough. The sin I struggle with, the thing that leads me away from God is apathy itself. After the apathy sets in, that is when I end up sinning by physical action.
It's also been suggested that perhaps I have not fully repented or submitted to God. I have felt what I believe to be godly sorrow. Broken, not from a feeling of being 'caught' or a fear of going to hell, but from realizing just how wonderful God is and how ugly my sin, all sin, is. Broken from realizing that God loves me even more than my physical father, and yet I had denied him, was angry at him, and even said hurtful things--and yet he loved me anyway. (I have a pretty awesome dad here on earth, so when I think about God loving me so much more than he does, it's a bit mind blowing).
I feel that I have repented, but as we all know, our emotions aren't always a good measure of things. This is certainly something to pray about.
Thank you again for all of the encouragement, the scriptural resources, and for taking the time to reply with your thoughts on the matter.
Some of you alluded to beginning my mornings with prayer. I will say nothing against this! These are good ideas. I also have to tell you, however, that I have a closet shelf cluttered with journals I've barely used, and I've yet keep a new year's resolution. (In other words: I'm terrible at establishing habits, but I will certainly put forth effort).
Someone mentioned that I was being quite general about falling away from God periodically. I'm sorry for not being very thorough. The sin I struggle with, the thing that leads me away from God is apathy itself. After the apathy sets in, that is when I end up sinning by physical action.
It's also been suggested that perhaps I have not fully repented or submitted to God. I have felt what I believe to be godly sorrow. Broken, not from a feeling of being 'caught' or a fear of going to hell, but from realizing just how wonderful God is and how ugly my sin, all sin, is. Broken from realizing that God loves me even more than my physical father, and yet I had denied him, was angry at him, and even said hurtful things--and yet he loved me anyway. (I have a pretty awesome dad here on earth, so when I think about God loving me so much more than he does, it's a bit mind blowing).
I feel that I have repented, but as we all know, our emotions aren't always a good measure of things. This is certainly something to pray about.
Thank you again for all of the encouragement, the scriptural resources, and for taking the time to reply with your thoughts on the matter.
I am not doubting your coming to the Lord. Nowhere did I say you didn't come to the Lord. My point is that you didn't do nothing at the start of your faith. You had to take action. As for repentance: I do not know the depth of how you repented when you first got saved. What I do know is that what you are teaching now is not true repentance to another person because you are saying they do not need to worry about confessing and forsaking sin; And that is a problem because it is not Biblical. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. 1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the light as he is in the light then the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.