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You picked a good example with David. It wasn't just a mere frollick in the sack with Bathsheba. When he finds out she's preganant he calls Uriah her husband back to Jerusalem in hopes they will share the marital bed with her and it will look as if the baby is Uriah's.
Uriah refused any comforts while Joab and his men were encamped in open fields which put the kibosh on any attempts by David to hide his adultry. So what does David do? he sends Uriah back to the battle field and David sends a letter to Joab and tells him to put Uriah in the forefront of the hottest battle..........."that he may be smitten and die".
Uriah refused any comforts while Joab and his men were encamped in open fields which put the kibosh on any attempts by David to hide his adultry. So what does David do? he sends Uriah back to the battle field and David sends a letter to Joab and tells him to put Uriah in the forefront of the hottest battle..........."that he may be smitten and die".
You picked a good example with David. It wasn't just a mere frollick in the sack with Bathsheba. When he finds out she's preganant he calls Uriah her husband back to Jerusalem in hopes they will share the marital bed with her and it will look as if the baby is Uriah's.
Uriah refused any comforts while Joab and his men were encamped in open fields which put the kibosh on any attempts by David to hide his adultry. So what does David do? he sends Uriah back to the battle field and David sends a letter to Joab and tells him to put Uriah in the forefront of the hottest battle..........."that he may be smitten and die".
You can read about it in 2Samuel 11. That is probably one of the reasons that God wouldn't let David build the first temple and gave the job to Solomon because he told David he had been a man of war and "shed blood". 1Chronicles 28:3
Uriah refused any comforts while Joab and his men were encamped in open fields which put the kibosh on any attempts by David to hide his adultry. So what does David do? he sends Uriah back to the battle field and David sends a letter to Joab and tells him to put Uriah in the forefront of the hottest battle..........."that he may be smitten and die".
You can read about it in 2Samuel 11. That is probably one of the reasons that God wouldn't let David build the first temple and gave the job to Solomon because he told David he had been a man of war and "shed blood". 1Chronicles 28:3
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I have done a study on the conscience (as there is a good one and a seared one) and even these in their respects to holding onto the faith.
Holding both to a good conscience and the faith are important. By thoughts I mean those that speak a vision out of their own heart (or rather the thoughts of their hearts) on an occassion on a thing (which be contrary to the word of God). Perhaps imaginations might be a better word. Whichever one it was in respects to those and trying to pass them off as the word of God (as if by the mouth of God).
You are right, if you are not holding to the faith (along with a good conscience) you can see a departure from it. It shows those speaking lies in their hypocricies which are out of a lie seeing they are of seducing spirits, through whom come doctrines of devils (another doctrine, another spirit). Even a doctrine which can contain in them things "forbidden", such as the example given in the forbidding of marrying and of meats. I found that most interesting that a closer at an example of a doctrine of a devil it doesnt always have to do with following ones lusts after the flesh (into fornication) but working through the lie of ones own hypocricy (and just provide an occasion for it) if I put that right.
Holding both to a good conscience and the faith are important. By thoughts I mean those that speak a vision out of their own heart (or rather the thoughts of their hearts) on an occassion on a thing (which be contrary to the word of God). Perhaps imaginations might be a better word. Whichever one it was in respects to those and trying to pass them off as the word of God (as if by the mouth of God).
You are right, if you are not holding to the faith (along with a good conscience) you can see a departure from it. It shows those speaking lies in their hypocricies which are out of a lie seeing they are of seducing spirits, through whom come doctrines of devils (another doctrine, another spirit). Even a doctrine which can contain in them things "forbidden", such as the example given in the forbidding of marrying and of meats. I found that most interesting that a closer at an example of a doctrine of a devil it doesnt always have to do with following ones lusts after the flesh (into fornication) but working through the lie of ones own hypocricy (and just provide an occasion for it) if I put that right.
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David gave orders (as was his expressed intention) that Uriah be killed by the sword of Ammon.
David setting him up that way to die (although not by his own hand) but he was the one held guilty of that killing (even as by the sword of Ammon).
David doing so that he might obtain Uriah's wife (whom he coveted).
So much for thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife.
Ye lust (even covet), and have not: ye kill
Both of the connecting incidents appear to be under one matter before the Lord
1 Kings 15:5 Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life,
save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.
David setting him up that way to die (although not by his own hand) but he was the one held guilty of that killing (even as by the sword of Ammon).
David doing so that he might obtain Uriah's wife (whom he coveted).
So much for thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife.
Ye lust (even covet), and have not: ye kill
Both of the connecting incidents appear to be under one matter before the Lord
1 Kings 15:5 Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life,
save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.
Not all sin is equal. Alluding that we are all sinners, and all equal in sin is not right. What does man consider a sin, especially Post Modern Man, as opposed to how God views it? I am not trying to make some seem better than others in a proud or vain way, but those who grow in Faith past a certain point stop sinning.
The Bible is a double edged sword. It is full of valid arguments that are not wrong, but may seem contradictory.
The Lord is a Man of War.
God is Love
Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child
Show Mercy and Kindness.
If I am a teacher in a classroom, and I have misbehaving students, then I show no mercy or kindness by sparing the proverbial rod.
Faith starts with belief, and then it is a journey of getting to know and Trust God. At some point in that Journey you stop sinning because you are confronted with God's Truth. Your heart is filled with his Love. You fear God as a son may fear disappointing his father, and not wanting to see his Rod of misery, and your actions produce Good Fruit that help build and expand his Kingdom. God is a square, and if you are inside his Box, then you do not venture outside his box. One may still be tempted into it. That is why God give trials, to harden men, and help them learn. (James 1:2-4)
Jesus came to free the Prisoners. (Isaiah 42:7) There are levels and layers to that, but it can be said that we are slaves to our sinful natures except through Christ Jesus our liberator. If Paul was a great sinner against God, and he suddenly did a 180 and become a Zealous Juggernaut or Evangelism, then it was because his Heart was suddenly full of God's Love, he was confronted with Jesus in a way that he could not disbelieve, and he feared God greatly. Do you think Paul sinned much after that?
Paul was full of God's Spirit and Jesus was living inside him. You keep your temple pure. Everyone gets snake bites and those never go away. When snake bites enter your head you shake them off like you are shaking something out of your head. God is layered. If you can shake off snake bites in terms of sinful or impure thoughts, then you can shake off real snake bites as Paul did.
God is perfect and Good. Man is not. Abraham fell into doubt a few times. God promised him a son. God didn't say when. Is Abraham falling into doubt a sin, or is it human failings, and learning pains? Faith is hard.
The Bible is a double edged sword. It is full of valid arguments that are not wrong, but may seem contradictory.
The Lord is a Man of War.
God is Love
Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child
Show Mercy and Kindness.
If I am a teacher in a classroom, and I have misbehaving students, then I show no mercy or kindness by sparing the proverbial rod.
Faith starts with belief, and then it is a journey of getting to know and Trust God. At some point in that Journey you stop sinning because you are confronted with God's Truth. Your heart is filled with his Love. You fear God as a son may fear disappointing his father, and not wanting to see his Rod of misery, and your actions produce Good Fruit that help build and expand his Kingdom. God is a square, and if you are inside his Box, then you do not venture outside his box. One may still be tempted into it. That is why God give trials, to harden men, and help them learn. (James 1:2-4)
Jesus came to free the Prisoners. (Isaiah 42:7) There are levels and layers to that, but it can be said that we are slaves to our sinful natures except through Christ Jesus our liberator. If Paul was a great sinner against God, and he suddenly did a 180 and become a Zealous Juggernaut or Evangelism, then it was because his Heart was suddenly full of God's Love, he was confronted with Jesus in a way that he could not disbelieve, and he feared God greatly. Do you think Paul sinned much after that?
Paul was full of God's Spirit and Jesus was living inside him. You keep your temple pure. Everyone gets snake bites and those never go away. When snake bites enter your head you shake them off like you are shaking something out of your head. God is layered. If you can shake off snake bites in terms of sinful or impure thoughts, then you can shake off real snake bites as Paul did.
God is perfect and Good. Man is not. Abraham fell into doubt a few times. God promised him a son. God didn't say when. Is Abraham falling into doubt a sin, or is it human failings, and learning pains? Faith is hard.
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You are not wrong, but God does not Judge all sin equally.
God judges the false shepherds and teachers who lead people astray more harshly for example. The sin of lying and spreading untruth, teaching to people's passions, and the allowance of sin within the Body of Christ by its leaders is worse than the sin of your average person.
Jesus rebukes Marry and says sin no more. Why doesn't he condemn her to death? She is not the root of the problem. What were the men who were about to stone her guilty of? Was she a scapegoat for all they had been up to? Men are leaders. God judges them more harshly then women. What of the man she slept with? Sleeping with another man's wife is adultery. Did Mary's husband demand Mary die, and say nothing of the man she was caught with? Mary was a sheep. Sometimes you scare the sheep, and more extreme measure are not needed.
Jesus rebukes Mary, and says sin no more. Do you think she sinned much if at all after that? I bet she never committed adultery again.
God judges the false shepherds and teachers who lead people astray more harshly for example. The sin of lying and spreading untruth, teaching to people's passions, and the allowance of sin within the Body of Christ by its leaders is worse than the sin of your average person.
Jesus rebukes Marry and says sin no more. Why doesn't he condemn her to death? She is not the root of the problem. What were the men who were about to stone her guilty of? Was she a scapegoat for all they had been up to? Men are leaders. God judges them more harshly then women. What of the man she slept with? Sleeping with another man's wife is adultery. Did Mary's husband demand Mary die, and say nothing of the man she was caught with? Mary was a sheep. Sometimes you scare the sheep, and more extreme measure are not needed.
Jesus rebukes Mary, and says sin no more. Do you think she sinned much if at all after that? I bet she never committed adultery again.
I hear what you are saying and will say the following....
1. The punishment for breaking the whole law condemns to death.
2. I agree that some sins are in our eyes and according to the punishments afforded under the law more grievous that others.
3. John does say there are some sins unto death and some not unto death.
4. Under the law they died by the mouth of two or three witnesses.
5. Jesus did not come to condemn, but rather to save and when the woman was taken in adultery there was a transition taking place as mercy, grace and the truth of the N.T. was coming online and I will add......
a. To condemn her to death would have broken not only the law, but also Roman law....
b. The man should have been brought before Jesus as well<---breaking the law
c. Under Roman law only the Romans could sentence to death<--breaking Roman law
Jesus said, render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar concerning taxes, but obviously the bible also teaches in Romans and by Peter that we are to be subject unto the laws od the land as long as they do not violate the word of God.
1. The punishment for breaking the whole law condemns to death.
2. I agree that some sins are in our eyes and according to the punishments afforded under the law more grievous that others.
3. John does say there are some sins unto death and some not unto death.
4. Under the law they died by the mouth of two or three witnesses.
5. Jesus did not come to condemn, but rather to save and when the woman was taken in adultery there was a transition taking place as mercy, grace and the truth of the N.T. was coming online and I will add......
a. To condemn her to death would have broken not only the law, but also Roman law....
b. The man should have been brought before Jesus as well<---breaking the law
c. Under Roman law only the Romans could sentence to death<--breaking Roman law
Jesus said, render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar concerning taxes, but obviously the bible also teaches in Romans and by Peter that we are to be subject unto the laws od the land as long as they do not violate the word of God.
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any sin will kill you...don't forget your thoughts...they can be very sneaky...
You've got that wrong ...this is how it actually reads:
For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Hebrews 4:12
Note that is very different from your observation
Actually it is sin that is layered
There is something lurking in the background here and it is not the Holy Spirit....you seem to have a mix of truth and error in the form of philosophy or new age ....but you are not actually stating truth...even though at first glance it may seem so
You've got that wrong ...this is how it actually reads:
For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Hebrews 4:12
Note that is very different from your observation
Actually it is sin that is layered
There is something lurking in the background here and it is not the Holy Spirit....you seem to have a mix of truth and error in the form of philosophy or new age ....but you are not actually stating truth...even though at first glance it may seem so
What was on a Roman Denarii? The Face of Caesar. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. Whose face in on the Dollar Bill? I don't see any Caesars. Do you? Being subject to the laws of the land and keeping order is Good...unless those laws go against God's Will and Plan. In Rome, if you were going to Court, you may have to make some sort of statement, prayer, or show of fealty to the "God Emperor of Rome" who is a man. Christians refused. Christians were persecuted.
The wages of sin are death. God's Spirit is perfect and pure. If you ask him into your heart, and then go on sinning, God may turn his Spirit way down like he has a knob to the volume on his radio dial. The Spirit of God is like Pure Thumos. (1 Samuel 11:6-8) The wages of sin are spiritual death, and blindness to God.
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Jesus came to baptize by Fire and bring the sword. The Lord is a Man of War.
Early Christians were afraid that later people would lose the true Character of God. Which Christ do you serve? The Christ of the Bible or the post modern mush god? There is nothing new age about anything I have written. It is God's Logic and Reason. Notice in Ezekiel he describes angels with four faces. God is a square.
God is man of war.
God is Love.
The Truth is up the middle.
God's Character can be viewed as similar to the main character in the movie Gladiator. Where he is a man of honor who does what he has to, and fights for what he loves, but at the end of the day, he would rather be at home tending his vineyard with his children...if it were not for those Evil Farmers.
If something I wrote confuses you, then ask to see my fruit or clarify. Don't just assume I am not of God's Spirit because what I write is foreign to you. There had to be a falling away.
The wages of sin are death. God's Spirit is perfect and pure. If you ask him into your heart, and then go on sinning, God may turn his Spirit way down like he has a knob to the volume on his radio dial. The Spirit of God is like Pure Thumos. (1 Samuel 11:6-8) The wages of sin are spiritual death, and blindness to God.
Thumos and Why Passion Must Be a Driving Force of Your Life | The Art of Manliness
Jesus came to baptize by Fire and bring the sword. The Lord is a Man of War.
Early Christians were afraid that later people would lose the true Character of God. Which Christ do you serve? The Christ of the Bible or the post modern mush god? There is nothing new age about anything I have written. It is God's Logic and Reason. Notice in Ezekiel he describes angels with four faces. God is a square.
God is man of war.
God is Love.
The Truth is up the middle.
God's Character can be viewed as similar to the main character in the movie Gladiator. Where he is a man of honor who does what he has to, and fights for what he loves, but at the end of the day, he would rather be at home tending his vineyard with his children...if it were not for those Evil Farmers.
If something I wrote confuses you, then ask to see my fruit or clarify. Don't just assume I am not of God's Spirit because what I write is foreign to you. There had to be a falling away.
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Show from my OP where I said to go on sinning.....I never said that and that is not the point of the post! The post is directed at those who brag, boast and claim how righteous they are, will de-emphasize sin and call it (messing up) while claiming that those who hold to the truth of the OP are saying that we can live a heinous lifestyle of sin<---which I or we do not teach......!
Amen to that....not even a straw man argument...more like a dryer fluff man argument.......it really amazes me who many people who trust in their own works and righteousness will try and say that we believe that a person can live a heinous lifestyle of sin after salvation because we believe what the bible teaches about man, his sinful state and the scriptures that prove we all will or do sin even though we can suppress our sin and live a lifestyle that is void of continual sin.......!