Life on other planets

AgeofKnowledge · May 18, 2015

The RTB team, led by astronomer/astrophysicist Dr. Hugh Ross, tackled this question scientifically and published their results taking care to normalize them with the Christian worldview (and doctrine) which you can read here:

Lights in the Sky & Little Green Men: A Rational Christian Look at UFOs and Extraterrestrials: Hugh Ross, Kenneth R. Samples, Mark Clark: 9781576832080: Amazon.com: Books

The twelve-part RUFO video series can be found here:

1. https://youtu.be/D8vGzOProVY
2. https://youtu.be/0Z8C0HTHYJY
3. https://youtu.be/sEQbZAh1erg
4. https://youtu.be/ty3bja1u-f0
5. https://youtu.be/D0uJrpojd44
6. https://youtu.be/sGOTmfnFl5Q
7. https://youtu.be/UeNF0NafeJ4
8. https://youtu.be/NaZt3iTXna8
9. https://youtu.be/T6AuUtoZBUU
10. https://youtu.be/RHMaWTtn6ZY
11. https://youtu.be/qHqzzTJYZOo
12. https://youtu.be/7e7kQ3Pp2eY

zoii said:

MadeInGodsImage · May 18, 2015

zoii said:

You said the authors of the Bible thought that the earth is flat, not the people of that time, so I was curious how you were so sure about the authors of the Bible. And it's not necessary that they believed the earth is flat as well, God would have shown them the truth.

There are verses in the Bible which indicate that the earth is spherical -

Isa 40:21 Have you not known? Have you not heard? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?

Isa 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Note "the circle of the earth".

The Bible is for spiritual guidance and for our walk with Christ, but there is a lot about astronomy that you can know from the Bible. It's not so direct, but if you try connecting it to the present knowledge that we have about the universe, you can see that. Watch Hugh Ross like AgeOfKnowledge suggested. Hugh Ross explains it very well.

skylove7 · May 18, 2015

Yawns...pardon me. Oh for GOODNESS sakes. Let me put this in brilliant terms

and I'm going away. Let's say the universe is Gods pool table...and planets are all a bunch of balls lying here suspended in grace and harmony. Oh, just be ready if your EVIL out there...God hasn't decided to play pool yet!

God bless everyone!

zoii · May 18, 2015

skylove7 said:

Um....it did sound brilliant but i dont understand the analogy

Reborn · May 18, 2015

skylove7 said:

?
Umm.
Did you arrive here from another planet, Sky?

Kidding.
Sort of.

kingerik · May 18, 2015

zoii said:

Aliens would have been important to us... other worldly beings with souls would have been mentioned. Honestly, I don't even know...could be or not, but I just believe they would have been mentioned unless they don't have actual souls. By souls, I mean us...we are souls. Our bodies are not judged by God our soul is...souls that have the capacity to be judged.

However, It could be, but I highly doubt we would see anything in our lifetime.

zoii · May 18, 2015

kingerik said:

thankyou very much for writing your thoughts. My dad has a telescope n we talk about galaxies and planets, so i think about this a lot

gomlbrobro · May 18, 2015

Extraterrestrial life is quite probable if you consider the vast amount of galaxies in our universe - I agree. This is promoted through the scientific media, and it seems rational to assume so as well. However, pursuing such an unprovable -at least at the moment- assumption, thus incorporating it into your beliefs/theology, is a rough road with a dead-end. People who endorse such a belief many times end up "worshiping" it, in a way. Because if one was not strong in their faith, they would adopt the new age theory of "science creation", or "alien creation." In my opinion, the possibility of extraterrestrial life is yet another test of faith for us rational humans.

It's imperative to realize that religion, at times, can be rationalized by us humans. Other times, when we can not rationalize, should be set aside for our own good. Take what we information we are given: history of ancient cultures and the Bible. Once you connect the parallels between the two, you will discover that there is much to learn. Pursuing the possibility of extraterrestrial life, moreover, is not something that we should waist our time on. Study what we know, not what could be - time is valuable.

Ignorance is essential in certain cases; we just need to decide what belief we value more.

I'm not convicting you, Zoii; this is simply general advice to consider.

Jeff_56 · May 18, 2015

the little children who are raised right according to yahweh , according to SCRIPTURE(HIS WORD), never even think of some of the wrong and distracting thoughts and ways of human flesh/mind/soul....
the question of life elsewhere doesn't even show up, when the thoughts are full of Yahweh's Word and guided by HIM, from conception, birth, and on through life.

zoii · May 18, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

Jeff - are you criticizing me for raising this...and worse still are you passing judgement on my parents. If you not then...maybe explain. If you ARE criticising my parents...don't expect a pleasant reply.

Jeff_56 · May 18, 2015

zoii said:

there are some things that yahweh's people do not even think of - it does not even enter into the realm of their minds. look at the topics of many of the threads on this forum if you need examples.
did jesus criticize the gentiles for not being raised with an experiential and true knowledge of yahweh and HIS WORD ?
did the Jews? did the disciples ? ... the apostles ?\

the gentiles nations, all of them, were considered outcasts , heathen, pagans, without hope - right up until peter's dream when yahweh showed him then told him not to call the gentiles unclean any more, that yahweh had called (or made) clean (A MYSTERY!?)....

in EPHESIANS, the BELIEVERS --- what is written about them, and concerning them until they were purchased with the blood of the lamb who was slain for them.... ? ... simply that they also, all of them, everyone, was without hope in the world UNTIL !!!!<<<<>>>> yahshua.
UNTIL yahshua >>> "...when you were dead through the trespasses and sins [SUP]2 [/SUP]in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Among these we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, following the desires of body and mind, and so we were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. "....

there was and is a lot of cleaning to do, and it is helpful, life-giving, life-enhancing, encouraging IN CHRIST JESUS (not outside of him- outside of him there is only death, destruction, corruption)...

for us all. is he nice? is the world nice? is hasatan and his minions nice?

the world is lost and under a death sentence, all of it. us too, UNTIL <<<<>>>> yahshua

the thinking of the world is entirely evil. entirely, completely, fully. UNTIL <<<<>>>> yahshua.

the path the world is on is wide, and leads to death. only to death. nothing else.

the path in yahshua(jesus) is life, truth, salvation.

chose the world, or chose yahshua.

didymos · May 18, 2015

zoii said:

There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, darned lies and statistics.

zoii · May 18, 2015

didymos said:

OK...um ty for replying but...I don't understand what your point is

zoii · May 18, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

there are some things that yahweh's people do not even think of - it does not even enter into the realm of their minds. look at the topics of many of the threads on this forum if you need examples.
did jesus criticize the gentiles for not being raised with an experiential and true knowledge of yahweh and HIS WORD ?
did the Jews? did the disciples ? ... the apostles ?\

the gentiles nations, all of them, were considered outcasts , heathen, pagans, without hope - right up until peter's dream when yahweh showed him then told him not to call the gentiles unclean any more, that yahweh had called (or made) clean (A MYSTERY!?)....

in EPHESIANS, the BELIEVERS --- what is written about them, and concerning them until they were purchased with the blood of the lamb who was slain for them.... ? ... simply that they also, all of them, everyone, was without hope in the world UNTIL !!!!<<<<>>>> yahshua.
UNTIL yahshua >>> "...when you were dead through the trespasses and sins [SUP]2 [/SUP]in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Among these we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, following the desires of body and mind, and so we were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. "....

there was and is a lot of cleaning to do, and it is helpful, life-giving, life-enhancing, encouraging IN CHRIST JESUS (not outside of him- outside of him there is only death, destruction, corruption)...

for us all. is he nice? is the world nice? is hasatan and his minions nice?

the world is lost and under a death sentence, all of it. us too, UNTIL <<<<>>>> yahshua

the thinking of the world is entirely evil. entirely, completely, fully. UNTIL <<<<>>>> yahshua.

the path the world is on is wide, and leads to death. only to death. nothing else.

the path in yahshua(jesus) is life, truth, salvation.

chose the world, or chose yahshua.

Jeff what has any of this to do with a discussion about possible life elsewhere in the universe

didymos · May 18, 2015

zoii said:

Statistics can be used to 'prove' about anything.

AgeofKnowledge · May 18, 2015

zoii is quite young and hasn't had the time to research these matters in-depth yet but due to her intellectual curious nature certainly will as time progresses. I like the way she opened the thread. It wasn't a 'this is how it is' thread from a 14 year old.

That said, you are correct MadInGodsImage. The Bible does not teach a flat earth. In fact, as Wikipedia states in their 'Myth of the Flat Earth' webpage:

"During the early Middle Ages, virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint first expressed by the Ancient Greeks. From at least the 14th century, belief in a flat Earth among the educated was almost nonexistent."

Surviving manuscripts from antique Western Civilization clearly show the predominant belief was in a spherical earth. For example, Saint Bede (seventh century) and others early on had published their own calculations and proofs for the roundness of our globe. This was echoed throughout church history so it's no surprise we find Thomas Aquinas and others from his era doing likewise.

Want to know how the Columbus flat earth fable got started? I'll tell you. It was a campaign of ad hominem in which lies were fabricated first to disparage Catholics and later atheists used the tactic to disparage all Christians. There isn't a shred of integrity or truth in it.
Historian Dr. James Hannam wrote:
:

"The myth that people in the Middle Ages thought the earth is flat appears to date from the 17th century as part of the campaign by Protestants against Catholic teaching.

But it gained currency in the 19th century, thanks to inaccurate histories such as John William Draper's History of the Conflict Between Religion and Science (1874) and [virulent anti-Christian atheist] Andrew Dickson White's A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896).

Atheists and agnostics championed the conflict thesis for their own purposes, but historical research gradually demonstrated that Draper and White had propagated more fantasy than fact in their efforts to prove that science and religion are locked in eternal conflict."

:

The Columbus fable and flat earth myth need to be retired. It's a blatant historical inaccuracy fabricated first to smear Catholics by Protestants and later all Christians by atheists.

MadeInGodsImage said:

Utah · May 18, 2015

PeterJens said:

In this vast universe, this crazy picture of emptiness, a vastness beyond imagining, so hostile outside our 4 miles of atmosphere no life can exist, anywhere that we know of, yet our world, our garden of eden, life is everywhere.

The argument appears to be simple. In God, in creation there is life, in communion with the Life giver, in the universe outside his life giving bubble there is beauty but only death. The more I see it, the more it just echoes where your heart is there is knowledge. The atheist scientist wants to look out there and see a random chain of events that brings about life, and when time and again the message is, no it does not, they invent more and more ideas to support their ideas, because they hate the idea of a creator so deeply, they would rather die than give in. God in his wisdom provided a plausible alternative, so you could choose it, and stay sensible, because there needs to be a divide based on love and loyalty, not vested interest. If God was obvious, how many would buy into Him because there is no other choice. If you work in a company you know how many suck up to the boss though they hate him. Do you think the Father does not understand this.

So life out there? Not a chance.

Do you think 500,000 DNA base pairs which are needed for basic life to start could appear out of thin air, without a creative act, even if you had infinite time, and at most you have only 14 billion years?

Do you understand why SETI failed? Either life is everywhere and we would have heared of it, or we are alone and there would be silence. We are alone, because there has only been silence.

Now if you can show me another reason or sensible argument or evidence of life anywhere outside earth I will listen, but to date this is all I see.

As always I like what you've shared, PJ, and your words make for a strong, valid point. My respectful rebuttal is simple, in my heart I believe life exists beyond Earth because I just don't see God creating such a vast, marvelous Universe and yet limiting His creative genius to one planet filled with knuckleheads -- that's us.

AgeofKnowledge · May 18, 2015

Bump. Read, watch, learn.

AgeofKnowledge said:

The RTB team, led by astronomer/astrophysicist Dr. Hugh Ross, tackled this question scientifically and published their results taking care to normalize them with the Christian worldview (and doctrine) which you can read here:

Lights in the Sky & Little Green Men: A Rational Christian Look at UFOs and Extraterrestrials: Hugh Ross, Kenneth R. Samples, Mark Clark: 9781576832080: Amazon.com: Books

The twelve-part RUFO video series can be found here:

1. https://youtu.be/D8vGzOProVY
2. https://youtu.be/0Z8C0HTHYJY
3. https://youtu.be/sEQbZAh1erg
4. https://youtu.be/ty3bja1u-f0
5. https://youtu.be/D0uJrpojd44
6. https://youtu.be/sGOTmfnFl5Q
7. https://youtu.be/UeNF0NafeJ4
8. https://youtu.be/NaZt3iTXna8
9. https://youtu.be/T6AuUtoZBUU
10. https://youtu.be/RHMaWTtn6ZY
11. https://youtu.be/qHqzzTJYZOo
12. https://youtu.be/7e7kQ3Pp2eY

blue_ladybug · May 18, 2015

this is just my simple opinion but God created ALL the planets, correct? Obviously there IS life on earth, so who's to say God did NOT create some sort of life forms on ALL the planets? I agree with Utah, I just can't imagine that God's creation of life only exists on Earth. There may not be humans on any of the other planets, but certainly SOME form of life must exist, otherwise why even create any planet BUT earth. jmo

Utah · May 18, 2015

zoii said:

Pay him no mind, Zoii. God has blessed you with an inquisitive mind, seeking answers regarding God's infinite creation we call the Universe. Embrace your heartfelt eagerness to learn as much as you can about God's creation and all that exists in it, always remembering that Jesus Christ is Lord of all.

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