The Antichrist, is a part of the big delusion.

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InSpiritInTruth said:
Maybe they sit on his lap? :) (I speak as a carnally minded man!) LOL!
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Here is the location of Satans seat (among them) no?
Or just where he dwells?

Rev 2:13
I know thy works, and where thou dwellest,
even where Satan's seat is : and thou holdest fast my name,
and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr,
who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

And some guy fitting this descripture is given Satan's seat

Rev 13:2
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard,
and his feet were as the feet of a bear,
and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:

And Satan was feeling gracious, and gave him
 his seat

and the dragon gave him his power,
and his seat,
and great authority.

Then here the seat gets a vial and his kingdom goes dark and folks start gnawing on their tongues here

Rev 16:10
And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast;
and his kingdom was full of darkness;
and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

I stayed up a little later to start a little seat study
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
Our bodies are the temple that God made for Himself to dwell in by His Spirit.

We read in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 “Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.”

Paul here is talking about the man of sin being revealed, the son who will go into destruction, who has “that Wicked” spirit working in him. Many believe this to be a single evil man figure is yet to come, but Paul clearly mentions this spirit working in many, and it “the mystery of iniquity already working”

2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 “ Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,[SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.[SUP]5 [/SUP]Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?[SUP]6 [/SUP]And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.[SUP]8 [/SUP]And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:[SUP]9 [/SUP]Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,[SUP]10 [/SUP]And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.[SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:[SUP]12 [/SUP]That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness"

Note, in them, they, them, they all is speaking about more than one man. (but many)

But what about sitting in the Temple of God? I believe Paul was speaking in a mystery when he said this, as he was also playing off of other parts of scripture in order to do this. In Ezekiel 28:2 “Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:”

The Lord later goes on to say to this “man” in verse 13 “ Thou hast been in the garden of God;” Now we know the Prince of Tyrus was not in the garden of God, but man (Adam) was. But the Lord later goes on to call this man the “covering cherub.” So the message here is twofold.

The Lord is not just speaking to the prince of Tyrus alone, but to the spirit of “that Wicked” which entered into man (Adam) when sin entered into man. (man of sin)

So when you understand the spirit and the sin nature of the devil is working in the heart of man, then we can begin to see what Paul was saying about this “man of sin” sitting in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God”.

Paul also gave us clue to confirm this message in 1 Corinthians 6:19 “What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

So our bodies are that temple God created for Himself to dwell in by His Spirit, but “that Wicked” spirit entered in, when sin entered in man= “man of sin”

And Paul goes on to say in 1 Corinthians 3:17 “If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.”

So whosoever has “that Wicked” spirit dwelling in them, (the temple of God) him shall God also destroy. (son of perdition) or son who goes into destruction.
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WE RE THE TEMPLE. The temple is defiled when we place our faith in doctrines and concepts not taught in the Word of God. When we are confronted with the TRUTH -- if we hold onto our doctrines, GOD WILL GIVE US OVER TO THE POWERS OF HELL and WE BECOME COMPLETElY CONSUMED WITH THEM. Those that sit in the temple claiming to be GOD are those demon powers who say "it's OK to sin a little", "CONCE SAVE ALWAYS SAVED", "WHERE IS THE LITERAL ANIT-CHRIST","CALVINISM IS THE TRUTH", and a hundred other doctrines which pervert and distort the Word o God. Those that continue to believe these doctrines and wile not take them to the Lord are CUT OFF. This is when the abomination of Desolation happens in THEIR LIFE.

All you who think that this is just "spiritualizing" the Bible, should take a lesson from Matthew 16

And the disciples came to the other side of the sea, but they had forgotten to bring any bread. 6And Jesus said to them, “Watch out and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 7They began to discuss this among themselves, saying, “He said that because we did not bring any bread.” 8But Jesus, aware of this, said, “You men of little faith, why do you discuss among yourselves that you have no bread? 9“Do you not yet understand or remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets full you picked up? 10“Or the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many large baskets full you picked up? 11“How is it that you do not understand that I did not speak to you concerning bread? But beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 12Then they understood that He did not say to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

God gives us examples (as in Mark 4) to UNDERSTAND that the Bible is a SPIRITUAL book and must be understood SPIRITUALLY. Not be tryin gto figure it out, but by REVELATION. Taking what you read and BRINGING T TO TH LORD and ASKING HIM. Those that will not do that and exalt in their intelligence will be DECEIVED because they THINK they understand what the Lord is saying, but DO NOT.
 
crossnote said:
You think every thing is a mocking joke? "Seat of the beast" singular for seat/ singular for beast. Use your own twisted reasoning to conclude otherwise.
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Crossnote, I prefer reading you sometimes because you mock less then most on this thread. And InSpiritInTruth actually mocks less then most on this board (so implying "every thing" is a mocking joke to him is a bit of an exageration) considering some here make a joke of him in the name of Jesus Christ. But even though we can all mock at times (sometimes playfully and otherwise not, in response to someone elses coldness) when we shouldnt I thought this particular one seat/plural persons could be shown in that example (which I was providing). Because Jesus said "the Pharisees and scribes" (in the plural) sit in a single man's seat ("Moses" /singular seat).

InSpiritIntruth was mocking at that "on that lap" thing (with me personally) because I had a former issue with RCC's depicting Jesus Christ as a baby on Mary's lap (in her high seat). And so if they depict Jesus on the lap of Mary its no joke to the RCC. That is what he was mocking as I understood it. This in respects to her sharing her seat with Jesus graciously on her lap (because she holds the actual seat or something). Which we both regard that as a joke.

People mock here in some of the most discusting ways but what he mocked was so small in any kind of comparison, but it was towards my imput and the seat/lap thing had more to do with my own problem with that Jesus on Mary's lap (in heaven).

I actually thought Elijah mocked on something similar to a toilet seat or something (as some interpret him to be saying).

I dont know I am bad at this stuff, all this one man (one name) where many devils are that which are under that same name or one spirit (lets just say) in respects to "many people" and such like examples that can stretch your comparitive imagination sometimes, they seem reversable at times.
 
MikkoAinasoja said:
I do not follow you now, but I see that you do not agree with that, that the Roman army is the abomination of desolation.

But if we study the Scriptures.

20. But when ye see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that her desolation is at hand. 21. Then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains; and let them that are in the midst of her depart out; and let not them that are in the country enter therein. 22. For these are days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23. Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! for there shall be great distress upon the land, and wrath unto this people. 24. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all the nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. (Luke 21:20-24)

Here above we can see that our dear brother Luke writes about the same situation, as our dear brother Matthew in next part.

15. When therefore ye see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand), 16. then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains: 17. let him that is on the housetop not go down to take out things that are in his house: 18. and let him that is in the field not return back to take his cloak. 19. But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! 20. And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath: 21. for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be. (Matthew 24:15-21)

The Roman army was the army which destroyed the Jerusalem, and our dear brother Matthew writes that as the abomination of desolation, like in the prophecy which has come to the prophet Daniel.

31. And forces shall stand on his part, and they shall profane the sanctuary, even the fortress, and shall take away the continual burnt-offering, and they shall set up the abomination that maketh desolate. (Daniel 11 :31)
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MikkoAinasoja said:
31. And forces shall stand on his part, and they shall profane the sanctuary, even the fortress, and shall take away the continual burnt-offering, and they shall set up the abomination that maketh desolate. (Daniel 11 :31)
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You need to go back and read Daniel 9:27. The pronoun "he" refers to its nearest antecedent "the prince that shall come," or Antichrist in (v.26). In (v.27) Antichrist will make a covenant (i.e. agreement, deal) with the Jews for a week (7yrs.) and break that deal in the midst of the week (31/2 years).

There has never been a 7yr. period like this with Rome or for that matter in history period concerning the Jews. Your trying to prove a literal fulfillment that never happened.
 
crossnote said:
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
(2Th 2:4)

In order to 'sit' it pretty much takes a body.

I can't argue a case if we spiritualize things then any thing goes and it is like pinning jello to the wall.[/QUOTE Are not we, or Christs body the temple of God ? Jesus made both ( Jew and Gentile) one, and broke down the enmity between us at the cross.Who sits on the throne in your heart, do we exalt ourselves as God? Do we do our own will above Gods ? Have we come to God and fallen away,Making our end worse than our beginning? False Christianity is in danger of being exposed. The man of sin will be revealed. And their father , the devil .He that sits in the temple of God ,showing himself that he is God. I was reading Is. and it speaks alot about the delusion sent by God so they would stumble at the stumbling stone, the chief corner stone of the Church. Jesus
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The anti Christ is both one and many. One body many members, a counterfeit body of Christ
 
InSpiritInTruth said:
There already has been, and there still are many antichrists, antichrist is a spirit that works in many deceivers.
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Correct, and to add, Even Satan and his demons know Jesus came in the flesh, which rules out that they themselves have a spirit of antichrist.

This will cause heads to explode, but the Bible shows us as much.
 
Interesting theory... does knowing Jesus mean they can't be against Him?
 
crossnote said:
You think every thing is a mocking joke? "Seat of the beast" singular for seat/ singular for beast. Use your own twisted reasoning to conclude otherwise.
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You say my ideas are crazy, delusional, and spiritualizing scripture, and that's not mocking me? LOL Yes, I will mock those who harden their hearts in pride and reject the truth and understanding.

Tell me, does the woman share that singular seat with the beast? Do you see where the woman sits?

Revelation 17:3
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Again, where does the woman sit?

Revelation 17:7[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

But wait, the woman also sits on the 7 heads, which are also 7 mountains, which are 7 kings

Revelation 17:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

But wait a minute let's back up a bit and see where the woman sits...

Revelation 17:1 "
And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

She sits on the beast....she sits on "many" waters, but, but, what are the "many" waters?

Revelation 17:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

There it is right there BOOM! The truth of the matter. Where the woman (whore) sits is not on a singular mans lap, and not on a singular literal seat with the beast, but in fact the woman sits on "many waters"=peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.

Stick to scripture, and not your own fanciful imaginations. :)
 
RickyZ said:
Interesting theory... does knowing Jesus mean they can't be against Him?
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We find many demons in the Gospels, telling Jesus they knew who he was. In Acts we find a demon who even stated he recognized Jesus. Demons cannot call Jesus Lord.

1 Cor 12.3
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

How does the Bible define a antichrist? That is your guide here.

For example: 2 John 1.7 says:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

If a demon/evil spirit acknowledges that Jesus came in the flesh, does that make the demon antichrist or not?
Since they cannot call Jesus Lord, they can certainly be against him.

It is confusing for sure, but proper study of 1 John shows us that in context, John was tlaking about the gnostics, who were converting many and did not believe Jesus came in the flesh.
 
crossnote said:
Funny how those who like to spiritualize promises and prophecies out of the OT will also spiritualize the man of sin. Take this...

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Oops, I guess a spiritual beast and a spiritual false prophet just got thrown into a spiritual lake of fire burning with spiritual brimstone. IT'S ALL SPIRITUAL.! How convenient, what a cop out.
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You beat me to it. Those exact verses came to my mind also.
 
Chica said:
You need to go back and read Daniel 9:27. The pronoun "he" refers to its nearest antecedent "the prince that shall come," or Antichrist in (v.26). In (v.27) Antichrist will make a covenant (i.e. agreement, deal) with the Jews for a week (7yrs.) and break that deal in the midst of the week (31/2 years).

There has never been a 7yr. period like this with Rome or for that matter in history period concerning the Jews. Your trying to prove a literal fulfillment that never happened.
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^^^^this^^^^^
 
2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed,
speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption

Beasts in the plural are made to be taken and destroyed as well,

What do they speak against in relation to what they understand not, that does sound like spirtual things though
 
valiant said:
LOL well at least you have a vivid imagination.

The second beast is the continuation of evil empire towards the end of the age, probably arising from one part of the old Roman Empire, with that long since gone. He is only very indirectly connected with the first beast who was among other things a number of emperors. Whilst the first beast was the Roman empire. the second may well be an Islamic empire. We shall see. But they are only vaguely connected. There will not be a Great Tribulation which is not a Biblical concept. although there will certainly be tribulation of a kind in many parts of the world, as there is NOW..
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Never has been a world wide mark of the beast in the head or forehead.

Never has been a GT as described in rev.

Stop calling pple names and acting like you know what you are talking about.
 
So, to those of you who say that revelation has already happened...What do you say of Christ's return? Christ said that when the abomination that causes desolation comes, we know the time is near.

I believe in a chronological view of Revelation, and believe we are currently in the 5th seal based on historical/biblical evidence. (Where the 6th seal is the rapture of the church and part of the 4th seal, if you're curious, contained the Holocaust where 1/4th of the Jewish population was destroyed). Just to throw my two cents in.

In then end (no pun intended), this really doesn't "matter" so much. Just be ready for His return at all times.


source concerning the seals/history: daniel11truth.com
 
fredjames said:
Friend, with all due respect and love to you, i hope you are not deceived in your 'self', being as 'babes in CHRIST' and also as a lesson to us, as was Peter corrected, when he was a disciple of CHRIST, who misunderstood the saying of the Prophet that must happen and come to pass.

Please let me make this simple for you and everyone who are 'witnessing', and not attack one another regarding this, even one who already know, according to the book of Revelation.

Now, has the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem that was destroyed by the Romans in AD, as was 'prophesied' by JESUS of Nazareth would happen, to HIS disciples written in the Gospel, have been ever since 'rebuilt', and 'sacrifices' of animals for sins according to the 'Law of Moses' resumed and practiced until today?

Yes or no?

If no, the 'anti-CHRIST', the 'lawless one', the 'beast', must come according to GOD's Word and make peace, first of all between the muslims and Jews, And also 'he' therefore allow the Jews in the 'peace treaty', to 'rebuild' their Temple once again, and that they may offer their 'sacrifices' for sins there, where until today that is what they are and have been praying and praising GOD for most importantly ever since, at, and facing towards the 'wailing wall' in Jerusalem.

His reign in deception over all mankind who have not welcomed the Gospel, even Christians who are not in 'abiding' and in 'practices' to them, will be for seven years and in the period of 'Tribulation' for Christians, three and a half years against GOD's elects before they are 'taken up', who 'abide' and 'practice' them 'faithfully' until death in the hands of the 'beast'.

But please, this is another 'topic' that i would not want to continue, for there will be a lot of 'contention' regarding them.

May GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you all 'witnessing', thank you.

What you are referring to, that has taken place so far and from the Apostle's time, is only the work of the 'spirit of anti-CHRIST' and the 'ignorant ones' to the Gospel of Salvation, as 'anti-CHRIST'.
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When in history did 'anti-CHRIST' make a peace 'treaty' with Israel?

When in history was the 'temple' rebuilt and sacrifices resume for the Jews, and allowed them by the 'anti-CHRIST'?
 
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