A Jew is not one outwardly, but inward

[InSpiritInTruth]

They have DNA tests to know which is a Jew inwardly, no?

LOL! NO

 

[sltaylor]

That whole DNA thing reminded me of something. That's like men who were given a depraved mind, who as far as faith is concerned are rejected.

I saw an article a while back where science has found what they call the God gene...those who have that gene were physically wired defferently so that they 'believe' in things such as faith.

They were spinning it from a wordy point of view of course, trying to prove by science why some have faith in the first place and I just laughed to myself.

They figured it out 2,000 years after the scriptures declared that.

I mean, God gave them over to a depraved mind, they were missing the God gene.....Men who as far as faith is concerned were rejected.

That depraved mind is proved by science to be physically wired differently than ours.

I just Googled it, I will paste it on here...
"The*God gene*hypothesis proposes that a specific*gene*(VMAT2) predisposes humans towards*spiritual*or*mystic*experiences. The idea has been postulated by*geneticist*Dean Hamer, the director of the Gene Structure and Regulation Unit at the*U.S.*National Cancer Institute, and author of the 2005 book*The God Gene: How Faith is Hardwired into our Genes.

The God gene hypothesis is based on a combination of behavioral genetic, neurobiological and psychological studies. The major arguments of the hypothesis are: (1) spirituality can be*quantified*by psychometric measurements; (2) the underlying tendency to spirituality is partiallyheritable; (3) part of this heritability can be attributed to the gene*VMAT2;[1]*(4) this gene acts by altering*monoamine*levels; and (5) spiritual individuals are favored by*natural selection*because they are provided with an innate sense of optimism, the latter producing positive effects at either a physical or psychological level."

 

[DesiredHaven]

LOL! NO

It was just a suggestion.

I'm thinking an x ray might better reveal the inward circumcision of the heart by the Spirit that we might know an inward Jew (by that same) and just so we can know Paul is not pulling our leg.

Prove all things he said.

Just sayin'

 

[DesiredHaven]

That whole DNA thing reminded me of something. That's like men who were given a depraved mind, who as far as faith is concerned are rejected.

I saw an article a while back where science has found what they call the God gene...those who have that gene were physically wired defferently so that they 'believe' in things such as faith.

They were spinning it from a wordy point of view of course, trying to prove by science why some have faith in the first place and I just laughed to myself.

They figured it out 2,000 years after the scriptures declared that.

I mean, God gave them over to a depraved mind, they were missing the God gene.....Men who as far as faith is concerned were rejected.

That depraved mind is proved by science to be physically wired differently than ours.

I just Googled it, I will paste it on here...
"The*God gene*hypothesis proposes that a specific*gene*(VMAT2) predisposes humans towards*spiritual*or*mystic*experiences. The idea has been postulated by*geneticist*Dean Hamer, the director of the Gene Structure and Regulation Unit at the*U.S.*National Cancer Institute, and author of the 2005 book*The God Gene: How Faith is Hardwired into our Genes.

The God gene hypothesis is based on a combination of behavioral genetic, neurobiological and psychological studies. The major arguments of the hypothesis are: (1) spirituality can be*quantified*by psychometric measurements; (2) the underlying tendency to spirituality is partiallyheritable; (3) part of this heritability can be attributed to the gene*VMAT2;[1]*(4) this gene acts by altering*monoamine*levels; and (5) spiritual individuals are favored by*natural selection*because they are provided with an innate sense of optimism, the latter producing positive effects at either a physical or psychological level."

I believe they are going about it all the wrong way
I believe an x ray would better prove the inward Jew theory (of Paul)
The Spirit circumcised their heart, so maybe we can look into them and see, no?

Im playing.

Wow, the God gene huh? Thats so weird, not the Spirit of Christ but something that is microscoped to death after the flesh and then thrown into a PETRI dish to find things of the Spirit LOL

 

[JesusIsAll]

God knows who from Israel and the Gentiles are his. But those two terms don't exist once one becomes the seed in Christ and grafted on the tree

That all in Christ are equal is not an issue I've ever known of, among true believers. It's in the gospel, no Jews or Greeks, male or female. The issue these days I've seen is replacement theology, denial of the standing of the nation of Israel, many denying the Jews of Israel are Jews, by foolish scripture manipulations, this despite many Jewish families having a lineage of being of that faith as far back as they can trace their ancestry. These same Jews were sent to the showers and ovens by that vile work of Satan, his Hitler, and to the applause of Germans, with enough of Satan's little sock puppets to round up these precious people and work the genocide death camps. If you haven't seen this very same thing afoot, as we speak, you need to wakeup to the evil lurking out there, to finish Hitler's job, and it's not just Muslims.

The hook that now, only by Christ is there a real Jew, replace the word Israel with church, is a lie, used by vile cults with Satanic, antisemitic beliefs, abundant scripture how the Lord has a plan to complete of the nation Israel, for a long time to come, the millennial kingdom abundantly addressed in the Old Testament, as well as plainly referred to in Revelation, with those details.

To be against the plan of God is to be against God. If these people are comfortable with seeing eye to eye with Adolf Hitler or Iranians, in the name of Christ, I'd like to see the scripture, stating it's alright to be a Christian, out of only one side of your mouth, and where in scripture the Lord cancelled His promises to Israel, or it's Christian to oppose the plan of Almighty God.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

It was just a suggestion.

I'm thinking an x ray might better reveal the inward circumcision of the heart by the Spirit that we might know an inward Jew (by that same) and just so we can know Paul is not pulling our leg.

Prove all things he said.

Just sayin'

Didn't they use to drill holes in peoples heads to let the evil spirits out?

 

[sltaylor]

I believe they are going about it all the wrong way
I believe an x ray would better prove the inward Jew theory (of Paul)
The Spirit circumcised their heart, so maybe we can look into them and see, no?

Im playing.

Wow, the God gene huh? Thats so weird, not the Spirit of Christ but something that is microscoped to death after the flesh and then thrown into a PETRI dish to find things of the Spirit LOL

No I'm not saying it's a gene and not Christ. Not at all what I was saying. It was saying it's neurological, some people are just not hardwired to even believe. If God rejects some and predistined others I was just saying how it reminded me of the verse, a depraved mind, who were rejected on the basis of not having faith.

 

[Jeff_56]

Didn't they use to drill holes in peoples heads to let the evil spirits out?

yes.

today they do to put them in.

(for money and power/greed/corruption)

 

[sltaylor]

That all in Christ are equal is not an issue I've ever known of, among true believers. It's in the gospel, no Jews or Greeks, male or female. The issue these days I've seen is replacement theology, denial of the standing of the nation of Israel, many denying the Jews of Israel are Jews, by foolish scripture manipulations, this despite many Jewish families having a lineage of being of that faith as far back as they can trace their ancestry. These same Jews were sent to the showers and ovens by that vile work of Satan, his Hitler, and to the applause of Germans, with enough of Satan's little sock puppets to round up these precious people and work the genocide death camps. If you haven't seen this very same thing afoot, as we speak, you need to wakeup to the evil lurking out there, to finish Hitler's job, and it's not just Muslims.

The hook that now, only by Christ is there a real Jew, replace the word Israel with church, is a lie, used by vile cults with Satanic, antisemitic beliefs, abundant scripture how the Lord has a plan to complete of the nation Israel, for a long time to come, the millennial kingdom abundantly addressed in the Old Testament, as well as plainly referred to in Revelation, with those details.

To be against the plan of God is to be against God. If these people are comfortable with seeing eye to eye with Adolf Hitler or Iranians, in the name of Christ, I'd like to see the scripture, stating it's alright to be a Christian, out of only one side of your mouth, and where in scripture the Lord cancelled His promises to Israel, or it's Christian to oppose the plan of Almighty God.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

And in this way all Israel will be saved.....that required the fulness of the Gentiles coming in. Because they are part of the ALL.

John 10:16*NIV

16*I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. ******They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be*one flock*and one shepherd.

One flock, in Christ. That is ALL ISRAEL BEING SAVED.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Heres a few to that effect

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

John 11:52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 1:1 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Romans 5:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;
to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 5:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.

"...for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him." - Isaiah 56:7b-8

 

[DesiredHaven]

Didn't they use to drill holes in peoples heads to let the evil spirits out?

People would be killed for using moldy bread for medicines too I think.

I thought they did that electric shock stuff for that, I just dont know, its all sort of strange

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

yes.

today they do to put them in.

(for money and power/greed/corruption)

LOL! That's a good one!

 

[DesiredHaven]

Or maybe this way,

Matthew 1:21:And she shall bring forth a son,
and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Matthew 15:24:But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

1John 2:22 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 15:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people .

You can sort of run with it in so many ways how they are gathered into one

 

[sltaylor]

That all in Christ are equal is not an issue I've ever known of, among true believers. It's in the gospel, no Jews or Greeks, male or female. The issue these days I've seen is replacement theology, denial of the standing of the nation of Israel, many denying the Jews of Israel are Jews, by foolish scripture manipulations, this despite many Jewish families having a lineage of being of that faith as far back as they can trace their ancestry. These same Jews were sent to the showers and ovens by that vile work of Satan, his Hitler, and to the applause of Germans, with enough of Satan's little sock puppets to round up these precious people and work the genocide death camps. If you haven't seen this very same thing afoot, as we speak, you need to wakeup to the evil lurking out there, to finish Hitler's job, and it's not just Muslims.

The hook that now, only by Christ is there a real Jew, replace the word Israel with church, is a lie, used by vile cults with Satanic, antisemitic beliefs, abundant scripture how the Lord has a plan to complete of the nation Israel, for a long time to come, the millennial kingdom abundantly addressed in the Old Testament, as well as plainly referred to in Revelation, with those details.

To be against the plan of God is to be against God. If these people are comfortable with seeing eye to eye with Adolf Hitler or Iranians, in the name of Christ, I'd like to see the scripture, stating it's alright to be a Christian, out of only one side of your mouth, and where in scripture the Lord cancelled His promises to Israel, or it's Christian to oppose the plan of Almighty God.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

I guess the question I have for you is, if not even a sparrow falls to the ground apart from the will of God, why did the Jews suffer so greatly?

Do you really think what happened was apart from God's will.....
Now I'm not agreeing with or condoning what happened or anything like that when I ask that. The issue is why did so many sparrows fall?
Consider therefore the kindness AND STERNESS of God:
Ezekiel 5:8*"Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: ****I myself am against you, Jerusalem, and I will inflict punishment on you in the sight of the nations.*****

9*Because of all your detestable idols, I will do to you what I have never done before and will never do again.*

10*Therefore in your midst fathers will eat their children, and children will eat their fathers.*I will inflict punishment on you and will scatter all your survivors to the winds.

11*Therefore as surely as I live,declares the Sovereign*LORD, because you have defiled my sanctuary*with all your vile images*and detestable practices,*I myself will withdraw my favor; I will not look on you with pity or spare you.*

12*A third of your people will die of the plague or perish by famine inside you; a third will fall by the sword outside your walls; and a third I will scatter to the winds*and pursue with drawn sword.*

13*"Then my anger will cease and my wrath*against them will subside, and I will be avenged.*And when I have spent my wrath upon them, they will know that I the LORD have spoken in my zeal.*

Jesus said all the blood of the prophets are on these peoples hands...

 

[DesiredHaven]

Here shows the jealousy (or envy) beginning according to the will of God (even as by the Gentiles) as is shown in Acts

Paul says,

Romans 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

Keep following it...

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

When they were preaching Christ (the stone of stumbling)

Acts 13:42 ... the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. 44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

They saw the multitudes (these being Gentiles) God is simply demonstrating His power to perform all the things he said before (which are after the counsel of his own will)

Acts 13:45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were **filled** with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

In that last verse posted up there in Acts 13:45 we also see them speaking against the things spoken of by Paul which is also a sign he is set for in Israel.

Luke 2:34 Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother,

Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be **spoken against**

There it speaks of their fall, concerning the stone of stumbling (for which he is set for) along side of what was previously spoken of by Moses (concerning "did Israel not know")? Even as both are tied in together.

Rehilighted to "speaking against" those things

Acts 13:45 But when the Jews **saw** the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and **spake against** those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

Luke 2:34 Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother,

Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be **spoken against**

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

Paul tying in Moses words to this (as it relates between the two) follows up where they become envious and where the gospel turns next is shown in Acts 13:46-47

Everything happening there is what God had determined beforehand to be done

Acts 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

Acts 4:28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

What counsel?

Romans 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

And then Simeon saith

Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be **spoken against**

Again, keep following it...

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

To do so was his will and andPaul also provoked them unto the same (those of his own flesh)

The scriptures all agree in the same. He sees the sparrow fall and and set even Christ for their fall

 

[JesusIsAll]

I guess the question I have for you is, if not even a sparrow falls to the ground apart from the will of God, why did the Jews suffer so greatly?

Do you really think what happened was apart from God's will.....

Jesus said all the blood of the prophets are on these peoples hands...

There was not one God-assisted placing of a lifeless, emaciated, naked child into an oven. Evil is evil. I don't well tolerate any, "It was not God's will, but...", two-faced, sinful man blabbering for or in the name of God, in support man's heinous evils. I don't know this God that winks at Hitler. Please just drop it with me. Antisemites can go to hell, visit their buddies there.

 

[passing_through]

I Heart Jesus
"We don't need no stinking Romans 7!"

Yeah, stinking words that came out of God's mouth, is this for real.

 

[sltaylor]

There was not one God-assisted placing of a lifeless, emaciated, naked child into an oven. Evil is evil. I don't well tolerate any, "It was not God's will, but...", two-faced, sinful man blabbering for or in the name of God, in support man's heinous evils. I don't know this God that winks at Hitler. Please just drop it with me. Antisemites can go to hell, visit their buddies there.

Where did I say I supported it or understood it? I said nothing happens with out God allowing it, actually I didn't say that the bible did.

 

[JesusIsAll]

I Heart Jesus
"We don't need no stinking Romans 7!"

Yeah, stinking words that came out of God's mouth, is this for real.

That was a paraphrase of a famous, very old movie line, to the effect these "sinless" frauds, trying to seed doubt as to peoples' salvation, are oblivious to, don't seem to need, the teachings in Romans 7. Like all the deceivers here, they throw away whole chunks of scripture. It was saying the opposite of what you seem to think.

"Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!" is a well-known, widely quoted (and often misquoted) line from cinematic history.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Where did I say I supported it or understood it? I said nothing happens with out God allowing it, actually I didn't say that the bible did.

You have said what you have said, and I have said what I have said. Let's just drop it there.