A Jew is not one outwardly, but inward

[sltaylor]

There was not one God-assisted placing of a lifeless, emaciated, naked child into an oven. Evil is evil. I don't well tolerate any, "It was not God's will, but...", two-faced, sinful man blabbering for or in the name of God, in support man's heinous evils. I don't know this God that winks at Hitler. Please just drop it with me. Antisemites can go to hell, visit their buddies there.

So you are saying God himself didn't say in Ezekiel he would make them turn to caniblism and eat their own children. When he chased them with drawn sword, he meant Babylon. That's who was seizing them. So was this not God's doing as well or was Babylon just acting on their own will.

Ezekiel 5:8*"Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: ****I myself am against you, Jerusalem, and I will inflict punishment on you in the sight of the nations.*****

 

[DesiredHaven]

Its not in there (closes eyes)

 

[crossnote]

And in this way all Israel will be saved.....that required the fulness of the Gentiles coming in. Because they are part of the ALL.

John 10:16*NIV

16*I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. ******They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be*one flock*and one shepherd.

One flock, in Christ. That is ALL ISRAEL BEING SAVED.

Reread Rom 11, pay special attention to the context. Israel is Israel, the Gentiles are the Gentiles, Israel's rejection is temporary etc.

 

[crossnote]

Heres a few to that effect

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

John 11:52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 1:1 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Romans 5:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;
to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 5:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.

"...for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him." - Isaiah 56:7b-8

Interesting Rom 5:10...Rejoice ye Gentiles with HIS PEOPLE. . I don't see unbelieving Gentiles in that verse but I do see two groups.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Its not in there (closes eyes)

Seems to be a lot of that going on around here.

 

[crossnote]

Seems to be a lot of that going on around here.

And a lot of polarized glasses.

 

[sltaylor]

You have said what you have said, and I have said what I have said. Let's just drop it there.

No I will not because you accused me of condoning what happened in which I did NOT! I SAID word for word I did not condone it nor did I understand it. Satan didn't have the ability to kill Job, just punish. We are worth more than many sparrows, and not even one of them falls apart from the will of God.

I am not saying what you think I am. I don't know why or how God works, but I think he is more in control of the destiny of man than that.

There are many things the devil can do through and to people, but killing someone is not allowed, as was in Jobs case. Job's family was murdered, but not himself.

God used Babylon to completely destroy Jerusalem and then pursued the ones who escaped with Drawn sword. That was God's will, to use Babylon as the object that implemented his wrath. God is not all ice cream and rainbows.

He even said through Moses:
Deuteronomy 32:40*I lift my hand*to heaven and declare: As surely as I live forever,*

41when I sharpen my flashing sword*and my hand grasps it in judgment, I will take vengeance*on my adversaries and repay those who hate me.*

42*I will make my arrows drunk with blood,while my sword devours flesh:*the blood of the slain and the captives, the heads of the enemy leaders."*


AMOS even says this about disaster:Amos 3:6*NIV

6*When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?***When disaster comes*to a city, has not the LORD caused it?**

SO STOP accusing me of saying I condoned that kind of death. What is said was God has all the control of destruction as witnessed by the scriptures quoted here.

Deuteronomy 32:39*NIV

39*"See now that*I myself am He! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand.

 

[sltaylor]

Reread Rom 11, pay special attention to the context. Israel is Israel, the Gentiles are the Gentiles, Israel's rejection is temporary etc.

Why don't you reread it, In Christ there is no difference. You are saying there are Jew Christains and Gentile Christians, that is wrong, "Therefore you are no longer foreigners and aliens but fellow citizens"

 

[DesiredHaven]

Interesting Rom 5:10...Rejoice ye Gentiles with HIS PEOPLE. . I don't see unbelieving Gentiles in that verse but I do see two groups.

I see two folds coming together as one as is foretold in Jesus Christ (a minister of the circumcision)

Isaiah 29:9 Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry:
they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.

The next verse shows what was done

Isaiah 29:10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

Paul confirms the same here in Romans

Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear) unto this day.

Just as Jesus said

Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

"This people's heart"

Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Then to His disciples (the remnant) according to the election of grace (in the present) Jesus says,

Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

Whereas the rest are being shown as blinded

Paul himself repeats the same words of Isaiah to the Jews in Acts 28:26-27

And Paul finishes by saying to them

Acts 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

"They will hear it".

I believe it shows the salvation going out to the Gentiles through the remnant (of Israel) who are all of the same (given Jesus Christ is called Isreal) as well.

Being of those (who were at present) given to see as Paul did (who also was a Jew) who was set as a light to the Gentiles (through Christ in them)

Given one Spirit to drink between the Jews (as was Paul) and the Gentiles and Join into one Body (of Christ) through the Spirit of Christ (gathering together unto him) by the same Spirit to drink.

Where in Jesus Christ there really isnt Jew or Gentile after the flesh. Just as circumcision after the flesh (is nothing) and uncircumcision (after the flesh) is nothing either but the circumcision of Christ in the heart by the Spirit.

I'm not sure where there is some problem with the scriptures there though.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Seems to be a lot of that going on around here.

Thats in scripture about his closing eyes too

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Heres a few to that effect

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

John 11:52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 1:1 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Romans 5:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;
to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 5:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.

"...for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him." - Isaiah 56:7b-8

Good verses Sis, here's some more....

Hosea 1:10
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

Romans 9:24-26
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

 

[Jeff_56]

well, used to be....

but now all the blood since 300a.d. is now on the hands of the rcc - every war, every holocaust, every inquisition.... albeit, may 'also' be on the hands of the high-up Jewish|religious|political|economic|medical i.e. high up in 'society' that is wicked through and through... but rcc has been the most egregious and the most rebellious against yahweh and his people (both Jews and gentiles, christians and other)....


(re "blood on their hands")

 

[DesiredHaven]

Good verses Sis, here's some more....

Hosea 1:10
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

Romans 9:24-26
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Im so glad you hit that one, I have these written up like 50 times backwards and forwards and Im sitting here thinking, how can I bring this part into a post, and I thought, well... wait and then appologize for repeating a little (as you are retracing through some of the same to weave in some more along with it LOL

Amen!

 

[Joshua_Generation]

It could be that the doctrine that Christians are magically turn into Spiritual Jew is a covert attack by Satan against the Jews.

As is with all forms of replacement theology.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

You are only deceiving yourself if you think Grace is a license to sin, that is a very dangerous doctrine and position to be in. Repent!

This proves Viligant_Warrior is stating truth.

Anytime you preach Grace and get this kind of reply, you know you are on the right path.

Grace allows you to understand position of righteousness, which then allows you to understand Jesus Christ.

Paul, said that grace is not a licence to SIN.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

You are only deceiving yourself if you think Grace is a license to sin, that is a very dangerous doctrine and position to be in. Repent!

It is amazing to me that legalists always define grace as "license to sin." It is an indication that they do not know or understand God's grace, because if they did, they would realize that grace is like a governor's clemency to a condemned man, and that in gratitude he lives a life reflecting that gratitude. Still, he sometimes falters, because he is still a prisoner of the flesh.

So either you do not falter, which makes you perfect, or you a liar, which makes you an unbeliever.

 

[DesiredHaven]

You are only deceiving yourself if you think Grace is a license to sin, that is a very dangerous doctrine and position to be in. Repent!

Amen

Romans 6:14 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace?

God forbid.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

This proves Viligant_Warrior is stating truth.

Anytime you preach Grace and get this kind of reply, you know you are on the right path.

Grace allows you to understand position of righteousness, which then allows you to understand Jesus Christ.

Paul, said that grace is not a licence to SIN.

What he said is an outright lie, I proved it by scripture. Here is his comment....

Originally Posted by Viligant_Warrior
"Disobedience is part of still living in the flesh for all of God's children. Grace keeps us in Him despite that disobedience."[end quote]


Here is the proof of the lie....

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Who is supplanting the Jews, not honoring Christ and boasting? I posted scripture only, is scripture boasting? Perhaps your eye is evil to think evil of those who post scripture?

Which scripture is to be blamed for these accusations?

 

[Joshua_Generation]

What he said is an outright lie, I proved it by scripture. Here is his comment....

Originally Posted by Viligant_Warrior
"Disobedience is part of still living in the flesh for all of God's children. Grace keeps us in Him despite that disobedience."[end quote]


Here is the proof of the lie....

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Where did he say he has a license to SIN?