None Good...No Not One!
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I'm in agreement with you but I also understand that on a discussion forum, you can't discuss things the way that they should be. And truthfully, with beliefs that we are so rooted in, this is like arguing with a brick wall. OSAS doesn't move me one bit, like what we are saying doesn't move them one bit but for the most part, we have that one common truth of 1 John 2 regarding sin. I just understand real discussion and virtual discussion are polar.
So the bolded above overrides 1st John 1 and what it states about SIN.......this view is the reason there is so much dissention and rejection of truth by people who are blind and ignorant of truth........
John said clearly...IF WE say that we have NO SIN, WE are DECEIVED AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US!
Pay attention to the word WE and I am sorry, but your bolded above in your quote is misleading, contrary to the truth and not correct. EVERY WORD is inspired and to be taken in the whole...there is NO SUCH THING AS ONE COMMON TRUTH that OVERIDES other verses as you have indicated concerning SIN!
John said clearly...IF WE say that we have NO SIN, WE are DECEIVED AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US!
Pay attention to the word WE and I am sorry, but your bolded above in your quote is misleading, contrary to the truth and not correct. EVERY WORD is inspired and to be taken in the whole...there is NO SUCH THING AS ONE COMMON TRUTH that OVERIDES other verses as you have indicated concerning SIN!
J
The same way Paul clearly stated
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions.
13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness.
14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!
16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,[c] you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?
So I guess that overriding thing goes both ways huh?
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions.
13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness.
14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!
16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,[c] you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?
So I guess that overriding thing goes both ways huh?
According to his own doctrine...if he is not perfect yet then he is still in sin and lost.....how many times has he equated sinless (PERFECTION) with the key to heaven and if you are not perfect you are in sin, a slave to sin and on your way to hell.....
Originally Posted by Jason0047
I am also not perfect yet.
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you must have a thing against drunks and prostitutes. Instead of puffing yourself up as to how great a person you are. why do you not do as Christ did and share your love to them, and instead of judging them, share the love of God with them.
Maybe one day you will realize in the grand scheme of things, when God looks at you. He sees you no better than he sees the people you hate. You can;t hide the sin you commit. You may deny it, or try to say it is not there. but it is, God sees it, and he hates it just as much as he does all sin.
Maybe one day you will realize in the grand scheme of things, when God looks at you. He sees you no better than he sees the people you hate. You can;t hide the sin you commit. You may deny it, or try to say it is not there. but it is, God sees it, and he hates it just as much as he does all sin.
Are you blind as well....Sin reigning means to give in wholly to it and allow it to dictate your life......For someone to occasionally fail, fall and SIN is NOT allowing sin to reign in your mortal body...wake up to the truth and my post above stands....your theology of dismissing one verse in favor of select verses leads you down the same path of falsehoods just like your buddy.
I don't think anyone has ever advocated it is ok to be a slave to sin. And in the case of the alcoholic it will be harder for him to stop since they have proved in some men it is genetics that pre-dispose them to alcoholism.
When Paul speaks of the two natures and John writes to Chrisitans not to sin but if we do we have advocate with the Father and that is Jesus, I don't see how you can't see that and refuse to believe that a person can stumble in their walk with the Lord.
If you are honestly living a totally sin free like I'm happy for you
When Paul speaks of the two natures and John writes to Chrisitans not to sin but if we do we have advocate with the Father and that is Jesus, I don't see how you can't see that and refuse to believe that a person can stumble in their walk with the Lord.
If you are honestly living a totally sin free like I'm happy for you
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People do not like to say they are a "slave to sin" but that is exactly what they mean. For many here have said it is impossible to stop sinning. Hence, the title of the thread. No one is good. Meaning, you will never be able to be completely "good" ever. Yes, we cannot be "good" of our own power and abilities. It is the goodness of God that works in us. Not our own goodness. But many who believe in a sin and still be saved doctrine hold to the view that they will forever sin the rest of their lives on come capacity.
J
Sanctification is not a process. The Greek verb "to sanctify" does not mean to purge and purify over a period of time. The word "hagiazo" simply means to set apart or to make separate for God. The moment a person is saved, they are sanctified, set apart for God, and that sanctification is Jesus Christ, just as righteous required of God is Jesus Christ. Sanctification is a Person, but no wonder you turn this also into something about your own efforts, as you turn entire threads into conversations about yourself.
1 Corinthians 1:30-31 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: that, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
As usual, you don't really understand the Bible, but nobody can tell you differently.
1 Corinthians 1:30-31 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: that, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
As usual, you don't really understand the Bible, but nobody can tell you differently.