The Unanswerable Questions (Extended)
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8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. COL 2
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16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbathdays: 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 18Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.20Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21(Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. COL 2
after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. COL 2
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Its not that Paul is saying that the law is not of god, he is quite clearly saying we keep it thru our faith in christ and his finished work. Not of our work, 9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. Hebrews 4 ....the rest that remains for you is in christ, works will profit you nothing hte just shall live by faith. If you aspire to keep any commandment of statue of God it must be done by faith in christ that lives in you, not by your works to keep them. Love God, Love your fellow man.
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Romans 4 is another good place to go with regards to this righteousness by works rather than faith issue.
It clearly proves that Abraham was righteous, not due to his works, but due to his faith.
In fact, the whole book of Romans is good for reading concerning faith if a person doesn't read them with the blinders of the law on. I believe that is what is going on with Eliwood. Been there, done that, bought the T shirt..won't do that again.
Paul talks about this here:
2 Cor 3 14But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16But when one[SUP]c[/SUP] turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. 17Now the Lord[SUP]d[/SUP] is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord,[SUP]e[/SUP] are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
Eliwood, I beg you to go to God in prayer and ask him to show you the blinders on your eyes if you have any. Even if you don't think you have them, do it. I'll be praying for you about this as well, and I invite others on this forum to do the same thing.
It clearly proves that Abraham was righteous, not due to his works, but due to his faith.
In fact, the whole book of Romans is good for reading concerning faith if a person doesn't read them with the blinders of the law on. I believe that is what is going on with Eliwood. Been there, done that, bought the T shirt..won't do that again.
Paul talks about this here:
2 Cor 3 14But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16But when one[SUP]c[/SUP] turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. 17Now the Lord[SUP]d[/SUP] is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord,[SUP]e[/SUP] are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
Eliwood, I beg you to go to God in prayer and ask him to show you the blinders on your eyes if you have any. Even if you don't think you have them, do it. I'll be praying for you about this as well, and I invite others on this forum to do the same thing.
No offence, but you have really bad assumption skills. I never said the Torah must be kept by christians. I'm simply showing that the Torah is still in effect, and it makes God happy when his people are obedient to his commandments. As for acts 15 and collossians 2, I would have to see what scripture your talking about. Then, whenyou quote it out of context, I'll add the context to it, and it will make perfect sense.
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It was the sign of the Old Covenant. To fail to be circumcised or to keep the Sabbath basically was failing to identify one's self with the Old Covenant. Both were signs of the Old Covenant, and for an Israelite to fail to be circumcised or to keep the Sabbath was a failure to identify one's self with the Old Covenant.
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I am not an Israelite under the Old Covenant. Baptism and the Lord's Supper are what identify one's self with the New Covenant. Baptism is the one-time entrance sign into the New Covenant, just like circumcision was for the Old Covenant. The Lord's Supper was the continuing, "remembrance" sign under the New Covenant like the Sabbath was for the Old Covenant.
That is why the Sabbath commandment read "Remember the Sabbath Day...". That is why Christ said, in relation to the Lord's Supper, "do this in remembrance of me".
I am not an Israelite under the Old Covenant, and neither are you. Different covenant, different signs.
That is why the Sabbath commandment read "Remember the Sabbath Day...". That is why Christ said, in relation to the Lord's Supper, "do this in remembrance of me".
I am not an Israelite under the Old Covenant, and neither are you. Different covenant, different signs.
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Eliwood, I haven't listened to 119ministries on Colossians 2, but before I do, I am confident that they will impart a wrong context to the verses. That was Herbert Armstrong's favorite tactic.
I don't need them to explain Colossians to me. They are judaizers. And you've shown your lack of doctrinal discernment by your position concerning using Armstrongite sites, as well as your belief concerning becoming a God being in the resurrection.
I don't need them to explain Colossians to me. They are judaizers. And you've shown your lack of doctrinal discernment by your position concerning using Armstrongite sites, as well as your belief concerning becoming a God being in the resurrection.
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Paul addresses Colossians because they were being accused by legalists, probably Essene Jews, in regards to their need to keep the Sabbath, holy days, and new moons, as well as circumcision.
Paul counters by stating that they are complete in Christ and didn't need to observe those things. That's the context.
Legalists imply that the context is something other than what it is, as they know that it would deal a death blow to their theology for it to be otherwise.
I am attaching a document from Global Communion International which explains this for anyone who wants to read it. GCI was a cultic Sabbath keeping group that rejected their doctrinal errors and is now orthodox.
Be aware that 119ministries is a legalistic Hebrew Roots group.
Paul counters by stating that they are complete in Christ and didn't need to observe those things. That's the context.
Legalists imply that the context is something other than what it is, as they know that it would deal a death blow to their theology for it to be otherwise.
I am attaching a document from Global Communion International which explains this for anyone who wants to read it. GCI was a cultic Sabbath keeping group that rejected their doctrinal errors and is now orthodox.
Be aware that 119ministries is a legalistic Hebrew Roots group.
