Is Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) a total joke?

[Crypto]

Don't care much for Kent Hovind's doctrine ...bad theology ...but I love the way he calls out all the evolution nonsense lol

His views on the KJV were totally frustrating.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

No, it doesn't. See pages 28-33, 'Analysis of Exodus 20:11,' from 'Reading Genesis One' by ancient Hebrew scholar Dr. Rodney Whitefield in which he completely refutes the YEC assertion with respect to that passage.

Exodus 20:8-11 agrees with a literal day rather than long periods of time../

 

[JackH]

No, it doesn't. See pages 28-33, 'Analysis of Exodus 20:11,' from 'Reading Genesis One' by ancient Hebrew scholar Dr. Rodney Whitefield in which he completely refutes the YEC assertion with respect to that passage.

What we have here is a difference in interpretation of certain bible verses.

You have the YECs who interpret certain verses such that you end up with a 6,000-year-old worldview, which includes not only a young earth but humans coexisting with dinosaurs and a global flood. Then you have others like you and me with a contrary interpretation. Obviously you have contrary interpretations on many issues like women in the ministry, the rapture, and on and on that get debated on these forums, often to a standoff.

But when we go to the scientific evidence on the issues in this thread, the YECs have next to nothing to support their 6,000-year-old worldview. They have a bunch of talking points they generally get from YEC propaganda machines like Institute for Creation Research and Answers in Genesis and people like Kent Hovind and Ken Ham, but when pressed on them, their arguments fall apart, and they go back and hide under their 6,000-year-old rock. Then a new thread is started on a young earth v. old earth related subject, and they regurgitate the same talking points.

YECs often label other Christians who do not agree with their 6,000-year-old worldview as heretics. They make not only themselves look foolish with their pseudoscientific nonsense but Christians in general as well.

 

[Jimbone]

What we have here is a difference in interpretation of certain bible verses.

You have the YECs who interpret certain verses such that you end up with a 6,000-year-old worldview, which includes not only a young earth but humans coexisting with dinosaurs and a global flood. Then you have others like you and me with a contrary interpretation. Obviously you have contrary interpretations on many issues like women in the ministry, the rapture, and on and on that get debated on these forums, often to a standoff.

But when we go to the scientific evidence on the issues in this thread, the YECs have next to nothing to support their 6,000-year-old worldview. They have a bunch of talking points they generally get from YEC propaganda machines like Institute for Creation Research and Answers in Genesis and people like Kent Hovind and Ken Ham, but when pressed on them, their arguments fall apart, and they go back and hide under their 6,000-year-old rock. Then a new thread is started on a young earth v. old earth related subject, and they regurgitate the same talking points.

YECs often label other Christians who do not agree with their 6,000-year-old worldview as heretics. They make not only themselves look foolish with their pseudoscientific nonsense but Christians in general as well.

You want to know why I believe the bible and in a younger earth. You keep asking, mocking, asking, mocking. Well I’ll give you my answer. See I got to a place in life and a situation I couldn’t handle or ever make better on my own. Right as I realized that I am nothing on my own and my pride was brought low, I got to a place where I hit my knees and pretty much just gave up, at least on the hope of myself fixing anything. See I thought I was already a Christian at this point so I wasn’t seeking for what I thought I already had. So on my knees I just cried out “I can’t take this anymore, I just can’t do it anymore, I just can’t do it anymore, I just can’t do it anymore, world you win, I lose, and I QUIT!” I basically quit life in that moment and knew that I was done. Well guess what? God wasn’t done, He hadn’t even started yet.

I woke up the next day different, I wasn’t sure why or how, just that the feeling of wanting to die that had plagued my life every second of every day for the previous 2 years was gone. It was gone and I felt better, the funniest thing is I had no clue what happened yet. See I had been to church and heard about this stuff but to me Jesus was a great “idea”, and if I lived my life by His basic teachings, life would go smooth on average. Imagine my surprise to realize that He is more real than this superficial world and had come down to regenerate me and make me a whole new creature. This was Him revealing Himself to me, and it actually took me a couple days to put it all together. See this removed ALL doubt from my mind that God is real and sent His only begotten, Jesus here to save us.

See I realized that all this “Bible stuff” is Truth, and what this world feeds us is deception. I was completely blind to ALL of that just 20 months ago and I too would believe that these scientist and everything the world tells us was true, and that they could be sure of that. I NEVER took the time to look into it myself being to busy with the things this world told me were important, like TV, Video Games, my weekend plans, bills, money, and the countless other things we are programmed from birth to hold dear. See I now had the actual Spirit of the creator of everything inside me know to help guide me to righteousness.

So to break it down, God Himself is the reason that I now believe the Bible to be literal Truth, and I’ll believe His word over anything a secular ideology, or any man tells me. God is first to me in the most literal and complete way and I can’t stress that enough. Now does that mean I’m going to start fighting (or arguing to say it nicer) about the “proof” man and dinosaurs lived together. I wasn’t there and honestly don’t know. I am not a scientist, nor do I see this as vital to anything. The bottom line is without Christ as a center and foundation for your life you’re incapable of knowing Truth. I believe the Bible and that is my reasoning for believing that the YEC may very well be right. There you go, now you can start mocking me too now. Have at it “brother”.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

NOT SO! Most old earth creationists believe that Genesis chapter 1 describes 6 literal days of re-creation after a cataclysmic upheaval with a gap in time between verse 1 and verse 2 and/or between verse 2 and verse 3.



I believe that when Scripture ans 'science' are in conflict, Scripture is always correct.

I believe that there many distinct differences between science and 'science', which I define as science under the influence of secular humanism (an atheistic religion).

I believe that when a reading of Scripture, in the original languages, (which is consistent with common usage) reconciles Scripture with science; that reading should at least be considered.

In Genesis chapter 1, we are told:

בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

At first God created the heavens and and the earth.

וְהָאָ֗רֶץ הָיתָ֥ה תֹ֨הוּ֙ וָבֹ֔הוּ וְחֹ֖שֶׁךְ עַל־ פְּנִ֧י תה֑וֺם ֿוְר֣וּחַ ֿאֱלֹהִ֗ים ֿמְרַחֶ֖פֶת ֿעַל־ פְּנֵ֥יֿ ֿהַמָּֽיִם׃ֿ


Sometime later the earth was (a) desolation and (a) waste; and darkness was upon the face of the waters, and. the Spirit of God moved upon the face face of the deep.

וַיֹּא֥מֶר אֱלֹהִ֖ים יְהִ֣י א֑וֺרוַֽיְהִי־ אֽוֺר


Sometime later God said, let there be light; and there was light.


This suggests but does not demand a gap in time between verse 1 and verse2; and/ or between verse 2 and verse 3; and allows but does not demand that the 6 day creation narative, which begins with verse 3 is recreation after a cataclysmic upheaval; perhaps engendered by the fall of Satan.

It is noteworthy that the word בָּרָ֣א created does not appear again until verse 21; and all occurrences of the word יַּ֣עַשׂ translated made, in the intervening verses, can also be tramslated: called forth, made manifest, or allowed to be seen.


This allows for the sun, moon, and stars; and the original earth to be part of a previous creation.

In verse 21 we see that God created aquatic animals and birds after their kind on the fifth day; and verse 24 tells us that God created land animals other than birds after their kind on the sixth day. By common usage, kind can not be translated less narrowly than family; but it can be translated more narrowly if you are so inclined. This allows all members of the dog family: wolves, coyotes, dingoes, dholes, hyenas, jackels, etc. to have come from the same ancestral parents. It also allows for Noah to have taken one pair or seven individuals of each land dwelling zoological family onto the ark.

I used to believe in a gap theory, bit there are far to many issues.

To me the science we see today trying to refute a young earth is based on the fact science decries a catachlysmic event we know as the flood. and everything it did.

As peter says, they go on thinking things today occure the same as they did from the beginning, which is not true. Thus most of science (which is based on this being true) is seen as faulty.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just read the origional post (I usually do not like railing on people and try to stay out of those threads, but since this was so long thought I would see what all the hype was about)

So. his whole basis for slamming some guy is he said their were dino and human footprints found together (which there HAVE BEEN IN A FEW PLACES).

I am suprised this thread went anywhere at all. it was all based on something which was a false slander to begin with.

 

[Gr8grace]

NOT SO! Most old earth creationists believe that Genesis chapter 1 describes 6 literal days of re-creation after a cataclysmic upheaval with a gap in time between verse 1 and verse 2 and/or between verse 2 and verse 3.



I believe that when Scripture ans 'science' are in conflict, Scripture is always correct.

I believe that there many distinct differences between science and 'science', which I define as science under the influence of secular humanism (an atheistic religion).

I believe that when a reading of Scripture, in the original languages, (which is consistent with common usage) reconciles Scripture with science; that reading should at least be considered.

In Genesis chapter 1, we are told:

בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

At first God created the heavens and and the earth.

וְהָאָ֗רֶץ הָיתָ֥ה תֹ֨הוּ֙ וָבֹ֔הוּ וְחֹ֖שֶׁךְ עַל־ פְּנִ֧י תה֑וֺם ֿוְר֣וּחַ ֿאֱלֹהִ֗ים ֿמְרַחֶ֖פֶת ֿעַל־ פְּנֵ֥יֿ ֿהַמָּֽיִם׃ֿ


Sometime later the earth was (a) desolation and (a) waste; and darkness was upon the face of the waters, and. the Spirit of God moved upon the face face of the deep.

וַיֹּא֥מֶר אֱלֹהִ֖ים יְהִ֣י א֑וֺרוַֽיְהִי־ אֽוֺר


Sometime later God said, let there be light; and there was light.


This suggests but does not demand a gap in time between verse 1 and verse2; and/ or between verse 2 and verse 3; and allows but does not demand that the 6 day creation narative, which begins with verse 3 is recreation after a cataclysmic upheaval; perhaps engendered by the fall of Satan.

It is noteworthy that the word בָּרָ֣א created does not appear again until verse 21; and all occurrences of the word יַּ֣עַשׂ translated made, in the intervening verses, can also be tramslated: called forth, made manifest, or allowed to be seen.


This allows for the sun, moon, and stars; and the original earth to be part of a previous creation.

In verse 21 we see that God created aquatic animals and birds after their kind on the fifth day; and verse 24 tells us that God created land animals other than birds after their kind on the sixth day. By common usage, kind can not be translated less narrowly than family; but it can be translated more narrowly if you are so inclined. This allows all members of the dog family: wolves, coyotes, dingoes, dholes, hyenas, jackels, etc. to have come from the same ancestral parents. It also allows for Noah to have taken one pair or seven individuals of each land dwelling zoological family onto the ark.

I do believe there was a gap and it was the fall of satan.IMO, It reveals to us why we(mankind) are here.

If we go to the book of Job, we see satan accusing God of not being fair with His dealings in His creation.

So obviously, satan calls God,unloving,unfair,unjust.

I think this where we(mankind) come in. We are part of satans "appeal trial." It is why we are called "witnesses" For Christ. His salvation of a man is another nail in satan coffin.

We see satan as judged. But why is he still allowed to roam around?

Because God is allowing satan to run all of his "Appeals" dry. And we are witnesses to satan that God is fair,loving,full of grace and mercy, perfectly Just and righteous with ALL of his creatures.

Eph 3:10~~New American Standard Bible
so that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I do believe there was a gap and it was the fall of satan.IMO, It reveals to us why we(mankind) are here.

If we go to the book of Job, we see satan accusing God of not being fair with His dealings in His creation.

So obviously, satan calls God,unloving,unfair,unjust.

I think this where we(mankind) come in. We are part of satans "appeal trial." It is why we are called "witnesses" For Christ. His salvation of a man is another nail in satan coffin.

We see satan as judged. But why is he still allowed to roam around?

Because God is allowing satan to run all of his "Appeals" dry. And we are witnesses to satan that God is fair,loving,full of grace and mercy, perfectly Just and righteous with ALL of his creatures.

Eph 3:10~~New American Standard Bible
so that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places.

I used to think this too (actually I think it is taught as part of the gap theory)

I again have changed my mind, I believe mankind is more for the angels that did not fall. then who fell.

On that fatefull day when jesus quoted the psalmist (my God my God) all creation knew satan was a liar. and no part of creation would ever doubt Gods love again.

He continues to prove his love today through us..

 

[kedge]

Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) did not bring God into disrepute. He brought himself into disrepute.

But Kent Hovind claims to be a man of God, yet he was sentenced to 10 years in prison for money structuring and alleged firearms possession, although legal possession of guns might not be against the law of the land no man of God would possess a firearm according to biblical scriptural guidance?, would Jesus Christ possess a lethal weapon?.

What do you mean no one knows the truth about Mr. Hovind's personal case?

Is he guilty as charged?

He was convicted on 58 counts.

Jesus Christ was arrested, put on trial and possibly tortured and then executed, but ask yourself the question why?.

 

[kedge]

But when we go to the scientific evidence on the issues in this thread, the YECs have next to nothing to support their 6,000-year-old worldview.

What scientific evidence is there that the earth is millions of years old or even younger?, to me it appears it can go either way. How does anyone work out the age of rock or bone?

 

[JackH]

So. his whole basis for slamming some guy is he said their were dino and human footprints found together (which there HAVE BEEN IN A FEW PLACES).

What is your evidence that dinosaur and human footprints have been found together such that you can claim that they coexisted?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What is your evidence that dinosaur and human footprints have been found together such that you can claim that they coexisted?

Why don't you look it up. Your the one who made the claim. prove there are non.

I have seen it numerous times in numerous writings and publications.

Why are you even worried about it if you read the word of God. What do you think the behemoth was? Are you like others and say it is a hippo? Since when was the hypo the greatest (most powerful) of all Gods creatures?

 

[kedge]

Ken Ham and AIG .

The statement of faith required anyone who wanted to work at Ark Encounter to affirm their belief that homosexuality is a sin on par with bestiality and incest, that the earth is only 6,000 years old and that the Bible is literally true. Anyone who doesn’t agree with those statements would not be considered for a job.

I wonder what the YECs posting here think about that.

They are probably too embarrased to say anything. Also i think Ken Ham AiG have an awkward position on the 'incest' part as any Christian might have. Adam and Eve had children, they could have had many including twins, triplets even quads both boys and girls, sons and daughters who knows exactly how many children they brought into the world?, the point is that Adam and Eve's children must of married each other? but certainly they had children themselves, incest is a taboo subject.

 

[JackH]

Why don't you look it up. Your the one who made the claim. prove there are non.

I have seen it numerous times in numerous writings and publications.

LOL.

That's what I figured.

Actually, Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) made the claim.

No doubt you did see it in numerous writings and publications.

And you believed some fringe wacko YECs who even your major YEC propaganda machines tell to not use that as evidence of humans and dinosaurs coexisting.

Again, you are claiming that there is evidence that fossil footprints exist of humans and dinosaurs together that prove that they coexisted.

Do you have evidence of that or are you just spouting nonsense?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

LOL.

That's what I figured.

Actually, Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) made the claim.

actually no he did not. many before him showed the proof. so your wrong, have you studied this much?

No doubt you did see it in numerous writings and publications.

And you believed some fringe wacko YECs who even your major YEC propaganda machines tell to not use that as evidence of humans and dinosaurs coexisting.

Again, you are claiming that there is evidence that fossil footprints exist of humans and dinosaurs together that prove that they coexisted.

Do you have evidence of that or are you just spouting nonsense?

well actually we have pictoral evidence of human footprints crossing dino footprints. we also have biblical evidence of dinos living with humans.

do you even realise what it takes to make a fossil of a footprint? it is not what you think, again I ask, have you studied this much, seems to me like your set in what you believe, and no one would change your mind even if the proof is given.

 

[dcontroversal]

actually no he did not. many before him showed the proof. so your wrong, have you studied this much?




well actually we have pictoral evidence of human footprints crossing dino footprints. we also have biblical evidence of dinos living with humans.

do you even realise what it takes to make a fossil of a footprint? it is not what you think, again I ask, have you studied this much, seems to me like your set in what you believe, and no one would change your mind even if the proof is given.

You got that right....he quotes Dr. Spock Hurd a lot as well.......another highly educated man from a worldly, acid guru, teachers POV.....

 

[wincam]

They are probably too embarrased to say anything. Also i think Ken Ham AiG have an awkward position on the 'incest' part as any Christian might have. Adam and Eve had children, they could have had many including twins, triplets even quads both boys and girls, sons and daughters who knows exactly how many children they brought into the world?, the point is that Adam and Eve's children must of married each other? but certainly they had children themselves, incest is a taboo subject.

incest certainly is taboo now and rightly so because of the side effects but this did not apply then and the reverse is also seen in that it is okay to eat pork now but not then or for circumcision for all etc - wincam

 

[JackH]

actually no he did not. many before him showed the proof. so your wrong, have you studied this much?

well actually we have pictoral evidence of human footprints crossing dino footprints. we also have biblical evidence of dinos living with humans.

do you even realise what it takes to make a fossil of a footprint? it is not what you think, again I ask, have you studied this much, seems to me like your set in what you believe, and no one would change your mind even if the proof is given.

Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) not only has claimed that dinosaurs and humans coexisted, he has claimed that dinosaurs roam the earth as we speak.

So let's see your pictures that prove that humans and dinosaurs coexisted.

I'm sure dcontroversal can help you out with posting some phony pics.

 

[wincam]

What is your evidence that dinosaur and human footprints have been found together such that you can claim that they coexisted?

if you think that is unlikely only because you presume that Dinosaurs existed millions of years ago before man then think again for comparatively fresh and not yet fossilised dinosaur flesh and blood has been uncovered[see www.kolbecenter.org] and the biggest dinosaur cover up has been uncovered but seemingly covered up in that dinosaurs were in fact buried alongside and along with modern day animals, birds, plants and even humans[see www.TheGrandExperiment.com/livingfossils by Dr. Carl Werner - wincam

 

[JackH]

if you think that is unlikely only because you presume that Dinosaurs existed millions of years ago before man then think again for comparatively fresh and not yet fossilised dinosaur flesh and blood has been uncovered[see www.kolbecenter.org] and the biggest dinosaur cover up has been uncovered but seemingly covered up in that dinosaurs were in fact buried alongside and along with modern day animals, birds, plants and even humans[see www.TheGrandExperiment.com/livingfossils by Dr. Carl Werner - wincam

What did I tell you yesterday right here on this thread about your Werner reference?

Can you remember or go back and see or do I have to repeat it?