The Unanswerable Questions (Extended)
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Of course it was selective. I can't quote the whole of scripture in a single post (I already have a problem with being long winded). But you miss the point...
The key phrase in the Ezekiel passage is "..that you may know..." In other words the Function of the Sabbath as a sign - regardless of who God was talking to and no matter the context - is the function God describes, which is "that one may know that He is יהוה"...as opposed to it being any other god. Our God is a jealous God. We realize this from the first commandment. He doesn't want to be mistaken for any other god or for any other god to be put in his face. And I put "yah" as a courtesy to help that point. I don't know what your point is regarding God's name or what it has to do with what we are talking about. But "The Lord" wasn't in the original text and isn't a name, yet most of us don't read Hebrew to see whats being said.
Actually notice in the passage you've shared that it says the Sabbath is a sign for a perpetual covenant. means "to last forever". This means it doesn't end. Your passage even emphasizes this fact because it adds "throughout your generations".
Exodus 31:16-17
"Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed."
The Sabbath sign doesn't end. Forever is a pretty long time.
What you're asking is illogical. You're asking me to prove if any man followed a command from God before God officially gave it. That's an unfalsifiable hypothesis. I never asserted whether or not any man obeyed the Sabbath prior to Exodus. I stated that God gave the Sabbath commandment because he takes us back in memorial (in memory) to the very day he sanctified the 7th and rested from his work...as a mark to show we are his. The Sabbath was established as a sign, by God himself, in Genesis 2:3. He didn't just cease from work.
"And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it ["set it apart"]: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
Now with that said, interestingly enough scripture tells us that Abraham followed God's commandments.
Genesis 26:5
"Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."
...So what commandments, statues and laws were these that Abraham followed? We don't know personally, but we know that God doesn't change; that he's the same forever.
You're not making the distinction between physical (fleshy) circumcision and circumcision of the heart. I stated that "circumcision of the heart" is the true circumcision (spiritual). It's what Paul talks about. It's what Christ talks about and it's what God talks about. If you love God with every ounce of your being you are circumcised by God (in spirit, not in flesh). "The flesh profits nothing". Paul was answering a problem regarding *fleshy* circumcision in Galatians...this is why he continues in Galatians 5:16-23 contrasting the flesh vs. the spirit. The flesh is bondage. The spirit is freedom.
lol I'm pretty studied up on scripture, thanks. But let's let God declare what the "New" Covenant is.
Jeremiah 31:1,4,10,31-34
1 At the same time, saith the Lord, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.
[...]
4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.
[...]
10 Hear the word of the Lord, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock
[...]
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
There's no contradiction if I merely reference scripture. But here are a few questions for you:
1) You say the old covenant was between God and Israel and that the new covenant is for Christians, but based on Jeremiah the promise of this "New" covenant is still between God and Israel, isn't it? The principal party of the new covenant is the house of Israel, right?
2) The Law of God is STILL present in this covenant, isn't it?
...My point is, the difference between the old covenant and new covenant is the same as the difference between Christ walking in the flesh before his crucifixion and Christ resurrected from death. Christ transformed upon his resurrection, from old body of flesh to new body of spirit...but he was
- The Same Christ
- The Same son of God
- The Same King of Israel.
- Yet he can no longer die.
Likewise, the covenant changed from "old" to "new"; transforming from fleshy bondage of sin and death (God's law on outside) to spirit and life (God's law on inside)...but it is
- The Same promise to become a holy priest nation
- The Same parties are involved in the covenant
- The Same benefits given to its recipients
- Yet those recipients no longer need to die for their transgressions. There's a new living way the covenant operates.
And if we are a part of the new covenant we are grafted into the House of Israel, the principal party, with Christ as her King.
To better understand the meaning behind "new" covenant (as it relates to the "old" covenant) is to consider what it means to say "new moon". Does a separate distinct moon appear in the sky each month while the previous moon is destroyed? Of course not. Rather, the moon is restored with new light from the sun, and is no longer dark...as if to say it's resurrected to new life. Likewise, the Son has given the old covenant new light, resurrecting it to a new living way. It is no longer dark. It is transformed.
The key phrase in the Ezekiel passage is "..that you may know..." In other words the Function of the Sabbath as a sign - regardless of who God was talking to and no matter the context - is the function God describes, which is "that one may know that He is יהוה"...as opposed to it being any other god. Our God is a jealous God. We realize this from the first commandment. He doesn't want to be mistaken for any other god or for any other god to be put in his face. And I put "yah" as a courtesy to help that point. I don't know what your point is regarding God's name or what it has to do with what we are talking about. But "The Lord" wasn't in the original text and isn't a name, yet most of us don't read Hebrew to see whats being said.
Actually notice in the passage you've shared that it says the Sabbath is a sign for a perpetual covenant. means "to last forever". This means it doesn't end. Your passage even emphasizes this fact because it adds "throughout your generations".
Exodus 31:16-17
"Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed."
The Sabbath sign doesn't end. Forever is a pretty long time.
What you're asking is illogical. You're asking me to prove if any man followed a command from God before God officially gave it. That's an unfalsifiable hypothesis. I never asserted whether or not any man obeyed the Sabbath prior to Exodus. I stated that God gave the Sabbath commandment because he takes us back in memorial (in memory) to the very day he sanctified the 7th and rested from his work...as a mark to show we are his. The Sabbath was established as a sign, by God himself, in Genesis 2:3. He didn't just cease from work.
"And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it ["set it apart"]: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
Now with that said, interestingly enough scripture tells us that Abraham followed God's commandments.
Genesis 26:5
"Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."
...So what commandments, statues and laws were these that Abraham followed? We don't know personally, but we know that God doesn't change; that he's the same forever.
You're not making the distinction between physical (fleshy) circumcision and circumcision of the heart. I stated that "circumcision of the heart" is the true circumcision (spiritual). It's what Paul talks about. It's what Christ talks about and it's what God talks about. If you love God with every ounce of your being you are circumcised by God (in spirit, not in flesh). "The flesh profits nothing". Paul was answering a problem regarding *fleshy* circumcision in Galatians...this is why he continues in Galatians 5:16-23 contrasting the flesh vs. the spirit. The flesh is bondage. The spirit is freedom.
lol I'm pretty studied up on scripture, thanks. But let's let God declare what the "New" Covenant is.
Jeremiah 31:1,4,10,31-34
1 At the same time, saith the Lord, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.
[...]
4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.
[...]
10 Hear the word of the Lord, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock
[...]
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
There's no contradiction if I merely reference scripture. But here are a few questions for you:
1) You say the old covenant was between God and Israel and that the new covenant is for Christians, but based on Jeremiah the promise of this "New" covenant is still between God and Israel, isn't it? The principal party of the new covenant is the house of Israel, right?
2) The Law of God is STILL present in this covenant, isn't it?
...My point is, the difference between the old covenant and new covenant is the same as the difference between Christ walking in the flesh before his crucifixion and Christ resurrected from death. Christ transformed upon his resurrection, from old body of flesh to new body of spirit...but he was
- The Same Christ
- The Same son of God
- The Same King of Israel.
- Yet he can no longer die.
Likewise, the covenant changed from "old" to "new"; transforming from fleshy bondage of sin and death (God's law on outside) to spirit and life (God's law on inside)...but it is
- The Same promise to become a holy priest nation
- The Same parties are involved in the covenant
- The Same benefits given to its recipients
- Yet those recipients no longer need to die for their transgressions. There's a new living way the covenant operates.
And if we are a part of the new covenant we are grafted into the House of Israel, the principal party, with Christ as her King.
To better understand the meaning behind "new" covenant (as it relates to the "old" covenant) is to consider what it means to say "new moon". Does a separate distinct moon appear in the sky each month while the previous moon is destroyed? Of course not. Rather, the moon is restored with new light from the sun, and is no longer dark...as if to say it's resurrected to new life. Likewise, the Son has given the old covenant new light, resurrecting it to a new living way. It is no longer dark. It is transformed.
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So, let's cut down to the chaste. And you don't need to write a book to answer this question. Is your position that Christians who do not observe the Sabbath are unsaved and still in their sins? Is keeping the Sabbath a condition of salvation? Is keeping the Sabbath a necessary proof of salvation?
Yes or no answers would be appreciated. I don't need pontification.
By the way, that is the position I held as a Sabbath keeper. I have rejected that view on a Scriptural basis. Even though I acknowledge some can observe the Sabbath and Holy Days while still having a genuine faith and focus on Jesus Christ and salvation by grace through faith in Him, the tendency to claim an exclusive relationship with God is there.
What group are you associated with?
Yes or no answers would be appreciated. I don't need pontification.
By the way, that is the position I held as a Sabbath keeper. I have rejected that view on a Scriptural basis. Even though I acknowledge some can observe the Sabbath and Holy Days while still having a genuine faith and focus on Jesus Christ and salvation by grace through faith in Him, the tendency to claim an exclusive relationship with God is there.
What group are you associated with?
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I will quote from this source in order to save time answering your assertions.
https://www.gci.org/law/sabbath
Didn’t Ex. 31:16 declare the Sabbath to be a perpetual covenant between God and his people?
Yes, but so was circumcision (Gen. 17:13) and the weekly showbread (Lev. 24:8). The same Hebrew word is used to say that the Day of Atonement is a lasting ordinance, and the Levitical priesthood will continue (Lev. 16:29; Ex. 29:9; 40:15). Obviously, the Hebrew word does not mean eternal. The covenant that God made with the Israelites is now obsolete (Heb. 8:13).
God gave the Sabbath to the Israelites as a sign between God and the Israelites (Ex. 31:17). The Sabbath made the Israelites different from other nations—but Paul says that the laws that separated Jews and Gentiles have been done away by the cross of Christ (Eph. 2:11-18).
https://www.gci.org/law/sabbath
Didn’t Ex. 31:16 declare the Sabbath to be a perpetual covenant between God and his people?
Yes, but so was circumcision (Gen. 17:13) and the weekly showbread (Lev. 24:8). The same Hebrew word is used to say that the Day of Atonement is a lasting ordinance, and the Levitical priesthood will continue (Lev. 16:29; Ex. 29:9; 40:15). Obviously, the Hebrew word does not mean eternal. The covenant that God made with the Israelites is now obsolete (Heb. 8:13).
God gave the Sabbath to the Israelites as a sign between God and the Israelites (Ex. 31:17). The Sabbath made the Israelites different from other nations—but Paul says that the laws that separated Jews and Gentiles have been done away by the cross of Christ (Eph. 2:11-18).
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As you noted, there's no proof that any human observed the Sabbath prior to Exodus 16.
Regarding Abraham, he was obedient to everything that God commanded him. The content is not defined.
There seems to be a suggestion by you that God's law doesn't change, because God doesn't change. However, we know that God's law DID change. The animal sacrifice laws are an easy proof of this. No one sacrifices animals now. Physical circumcision is not required.
Even if you claim those things have been spiritualized, that is still a change. Galatians 3:19 clearly indicates that the Old Covenant was only until Christ came, so this points to the temporary nature of it...and that implies change.
Regarding Abraham, he was obedient to everything that God commanded him. The content is not defined.
There seems to be a suggestion by you that God's law doesn't change, because God doesn't change. However, we know that God's law DID change. The animal sacrifice laws are an easy proof of this. No one sacrifices animals now. Physical circumcision is not required.
Even if you claim those things have been spiritualized, that is still a change. Galatians 3:19 clearly indicates that the Old Covenant was only until Christ came, so this points to the temporary nature of it...and that implies change.
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1. Christians become grafted into Israel, yes. As I have stated before, the Old Covenant is not in effect anymore. Galatians
3 and many other passages prove this. I already listed these Scriptures.
2. The Old Covenant has underlying spiritual principles that an individual with the Holy Spirit can discern. The specific application that was given to ancient Israel no longer applies, but the underlying spiritual principles do.
For instance, the Old Covenant required you to marry your brother's wife if he died prematurely. The underlying spiritual principle behind marrying your brother's wife is that you need to take care of the needs of your family members. If your brother's wife dies, you wouldn't need to marry her under the New Covenant, but you do need to make sure her needs are met.
That is an example of how God writes his Laws on a person's heart at conversion. The intent of these laws is recognized by the Spirit led person. The specific application God gave to ancient Israel, except in terms of moral absolutes, no longer applies, but there are underlying spiritual principles which do.
The Old Covenant law is for spiritual children; those who do not possess the Holy Spirit and cannot discern the spiritual intent. It's for people who are so dense that they need to be told exactly what to do in intricate detail. If that is you, perhaps you should stick with legalism. I wouldn't recommend it, though, Galatians 5:1-4 says you are cut off from Christ if so. Better to come to Christ and avoid the condemnation and wrath of God.
3 and many other passages prove this. I already listed these Scriptures.
2. The Old Covenant has underlying spiritual principles that an individual with the Holy Spirit can discern. The specific application that was given to ancient Israel no longer applies, but the underlying spiritual principles do.
For instance, the Old Covenant required you to marry your brother's wife if he died prematurely. The underlying spiritual principle behind marrying your brother's wife is that you need to take care of the needs of your family members. If your brother's wife dies, you wouldn't need to marry her under the New Covenant, but you do need to make sure her needs are met.
That is an example of how God writes his Laws on a person's heart at conversion. The intent of these laws is recognized by the Spirit led person. The specific application God gave to ancient Israel, except in terms of moral absolutes, no longer applies, but there are underlying spiritual principles which do.
The Old Covenant law is for spiritual children; those who do not possess the Holy Spirit and cannot discern the spiritual intent. It's for people who are so dense that they need to be told exactly what to do in intricate detail. If that is you, perhaps you should stick with legalism. I wouldn't recommend it, though, Galatians 5:1-4 says you are cut off from Christ if so. Better to come to Christ and avoid the condemnation and wrath of God.
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The funny thing about Paul, is he was actually falsely accused of leading people away from the law of Moses several times during his ministry. And he always defended himself, and assured others that he walked in obedience to it. Here's 2 such examples of that:
They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. (Acts 21-24)
But this I confess to you: that according to they which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers. believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets. (Acts 24:14)
Do we nullify the law by this faith? By no means! Rather we uphold the law (Romans 3:31)
And yet, even after Paul repeatedly says that he obeyed the law, some are still ignorant enough to continue to falsely accuse him that today! Just goes to show you how hated God's law is.
The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. (Romans 8:7)
They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. (Acts 21-24)
But this I confess to you: that according to they which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers. believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets. (Acts 24:14)
Do we nullify the law by this faith? By no means! Rather we uphold the law (Romans 3:31)
And yet, even after Paul repeatedly says that he obeyed the law, some are still ignorant enough to continue to falsely accuse him that today! Just goes to show you how hated God's law is.
The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. (Romans 8:7)
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Here's another one that would have been good for the list:
If Jesus came to change the law of God, why does Daniel 7:25 say the one who will actually try to do this will be the anti-christ?
He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time. (Daniel 7:25)
Funny, isn't it?
When the ignorant and unstable say that Jesus Christ changed God's law (which he didn't), they're actually accusing him of the very thing his enemy will do. It's amazing how discieved the world is.
This great dragon--the ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, the one deceiving the whole world--was thrown down to the earth with all his angels. (revelation 12:9)
If Jesus came to change the law of God, why does Daniel 7:25 say the one who will actually try to do this will be the anti-christ?
He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time. (Daniel 7:25)
Funny, isn't it?
When the ignorant and unstable say that Jesus Christ changed God's law (which he didn't), they're actually accusing him of the very thing his enemy will do. It's amazing how discieved the world is. This great dragon--the ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, the one deceiving the whole world--was thrown down to the earth with all his angels. (revelation 12:9)
There is NO claim that Jesus came to change the Law! The Law is eternal and the Law is Righteous. The disagreement is that YOU believe that the Law is able to impart righteousness by obedience; and we believe that the righteousness of the Law can only be obtained through trust in what Jesus did on our behalf.
The Law is unchanged and unchangeable; but it is not and never was a way by which people can please God.
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New Testament Jews did keep elements of the Old Covenant, and there was no problem with that. It wasn't required for salvation, though. They were simply comfortable with keeping their traditions, and it would have harmed their witness to do otherwise.
Notice that the Jews in Acts 21 were practicing circumcision as part of these things under the law of Moses. Circumcision was deemed as not required for Gentiles under Acts 15.
People who claim the Old Covenant needs to be kept are not just on shaky ground; they are in danger of denying Christ per Romans 5:1-4.
Christians are obedient to what's required of THEM, not ancient Israel. God still has a law for Christians, but it isn't the Old Covenant. The Sermon on the Mount is a good example of the laws which apply under the New Covenant. Those are the commandments that Christ referred to in Matt 5:19...not the Old Covenant.
Like Paul, I believe everything that's written in the Law and Prophets too. It's all valuable. That phrase is talking about Scripture. The first five books of the Bible are called the Law. The Prophets include all of the prophets. He's talking about all of the Old Testament Scriptures. If one has the Holy Spirit, they can see the spiritual principles behind the laws that He gave Israel. Legalists focus on the practical application that he gave them, not the spiritual principles. That's the problem. They think the practical applications apply to everyone at all times.
Notice that the Jews in Acts 21 were practicing circumcision as part of these things under the law of Moses. Circumcision was deemed as not required for Gentiles under Acts 15.
People who claim the Old Covenant needs to be kept are not just on shaky ground; they are in danger of denying Christ per Romans 5:1-4.
Christians are obedient to what's required of THEM, not ancient Israel. God still has a law for Christians, but it isn't the Old Covenant. The Sermon on the Mount is a good example of the laws which apply under the New Covenant. Those are the commandments that Christ referred to in Matt 5:19...not the Old Covenant.
Like Paul, I believe everything that's written in the Law and Prophets too. It's all valuable. That phrase is talking about Scripture. The first five books of the Bible are called the Law. The Prophets include all of the prophets. He's talking about all of the Old Testament Scriptures. If one has the Holy Spirit, they can see the spiritual principles behind the laws that He gave Israel. Legalists focus on the practical application that he gave them, not the spiritual principles. That's the problem. They think the practical applications apply to everyone at all times.
Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord. (Colossians 3:20)
When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him. (Proverbs 16:7)
I have received full payment and have more than enough. I am amply supplied, now that I have received from Epaphroditus the gifts you sent. They are a fragrant offering, an acceptable sacrifice, pleasing to God. (philippians 4:18)
And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased. (Hebrews 13:16)
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him.(1 john 3:22)
When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him. (Proverbs 16:7)
I have received full payment and have more than enough. I am amply supplied, now that I have received from Epaphroditus the gifts you sent. They are a fragrant offering, an acceptable sacrifice, pleasing to God. (philippians 4:18)
And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased. (Hebrews 13:16)
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him.(1 john 3:22)
Then Noah built an altar to the LORD and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it. The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: "Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done. (Genesis 8:21)
So I guess this sacrifice wasn't really pleasing to God then, Marc? (Rolls eyes)
So I guess this sacrifice wasn't really pleasing to God then, Marc? (Rolls eyes)
"it is impossible to please yahweh" (( "WITHOUT FAITH")) so those (("WITHOUT FAITH")) cannot please yahweh at all....
those with fAITH ((real true living believing 'whole life' alive (by grace like all good ) )) like little children (like 3 year old who trusts their daddy completely and does joyously with delight everything to please him that they can, willingly immediately without hesitation to do everything he tells them) )
cando.
those with fAITH ((real true living believing 'whole life' alive (by grace like all good ) )) like little children (like 3 year old who trusts their daddy completely and does joyously with delight everything to please him that they can, willingly immediately without hesitation to do everything he tells them) )
cando.
The error is the belief that the law was ever a path to righteousness. The law can only reveal our shortcomings; it cannot and NEVER could impart righteousness. Righteousness has only been obtained and can only be obtained by faith.
It was true of Abraham although he bore false witness regarding Sarah at least twice that we are told about.
It was true of David, who God called 'a man after mine own heart', though he was an adulterer and a murderer.
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abraham, sarah, david kept God's Law.
read psalm 119.
Psalm 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, refreshing the soul. The statutes of the LORD are trustworthy, making wise the simple.
GOD'S WORD says there is GREAT DELIGHT in keeping HIS LAW. (although not salvation thereby, except there is a kind of 'salvation' from many errors and diseases and other things by keeping GOD'S LAW - ETERNAL SALVATION REQUIRES FAITH).
GOD'S WORD says HIS LAW IS LIGHT and besides that has many good effects, just not eternal salvation.
In TORAH, GOD'S WORD to HIS PEOPLE , says "none of these diseases " will I(I AM) (ET AL) put on you that I(I AM) (ET AL) put on the egyptians,
and though 1000 fall at your right hand, and 10,000 at your left hand, it will not touch you(who I(I AM)(ET AL) guard, you who keep MY WORD)
read psalm 119.
Psalm 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, refreshing the soul. The statutes of the LORD are trustworthy, making wise the simple.
GOD'S WORD says there is GREAT DELIGHT in keeping HIS LAW. (although not salvation thereby, except there is a kind of 'salvation' from many errors and diseases and other things by keeping GOD'S LAW - ETERNAL SALVATION REQUIRES FAITH).
GOD'S WORD says HIS LAW IS LIGHT and besides that has many good effects, just not eternal salvation.
In TORAH, GOD'S WORD to HIS PEOPLE , says "none of these diseases " will I(I AM) (ET AL) put on you that I(I AM) (ET AL) put on the egyptians,
and though 1000 fall at your right hand, and 10,000 at your left hand, it will not touch you(who I(I AM)(ET AL) guard, you who keep MY WORD)