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Um, if it helps any. Most folks who know me after a while, and don't want to write out my whole screen name end up dubbing me @?$. (@ = at. ? = What? $ = Cost.)
And, I really don't think taking Romans 9 as a fallacy works too well. It's quite clear, God really, really hates some people. His choice. It doesn't get any clearer than, "Jacob I loved. Esau I hated." And, if that's not clear enough the before-that-line-in-that-chapter has been building up since after Paul's greeting in Romans 1, and is crystal clear after that line, if you keep on reading. (Romans 1 actually tells how God hardens hearts, so it's not like it's divided up in some strange way. It's really, really connected.)
I can't help that someone divided the scripture into chapters and verses, so many go off and think they can pause after a chapter. I just get Romans. The book, not merely a verse or two flung here or there.
And, I really don't think taking Romans 9 as a fallacy works too well. It's quite clear, God really, really hates some people. His choice. It doesn't get any clearer than, "Jacob I loved. Esau I hated." And, if that's not clear enough the before-that-line-in-that-chapter has been building up since after Paul's greeting in Romans 1, and is crystal clear after that line, if you keep on reading. (Romans 1 actually tells how God hardens hearts, so it's not like it's divided up in some strange way. It's really, really connected.)
I can't help that someone divided the scripture into chapters and verses, so many go off and think they can pause after a chapter. I just get Romans. The book, not merely a verse or two flung here or there.
Micah spoke of two nations. not two kids.
He did not hate the people, He hated the enemy (edom as a NATION was not only apposed to Israel, but to God, thus God was apposed (hated) them)
the term hate in the languages does not mean the same as it does to us today. Stop trying to interpret the words in our language!
God also chose to Give Israel the birthright, Not edom. Because he loved Isreal MORE that Esau.