Is being a submissive wife really taboo?

[GodIsSalvation]

#1 in the title
#2 throughout my posts
1 peter 3:6 is refering to her obedience to abraham...in context sara was a very strongwelled, controlling woman, who also in turn did not wait to carry out God's promise to Abraham a nation, thus enter Hagar stage right.....this verse shows an example of her obedience to her husband, an acknowledgement if you will.

1. Aye indeed. What thinkest thou, is this taboo? I do not think it is, and find her lovely testimony to be more about affection which is good.

2. Which post?

3. Does your Bible say the same as mine?

1 Peter 3:1-6

[SUP]1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
[/SUP][SUP][SUP]2 [/SUP]While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
[/SUP][SUP]6 [/SUP]Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

(Also the whole chapter is good for the reading and the next verses are good perhaps for another topic about a husband's responsibilities and role as well).

 

[Rosesrock]

1. Aye indeed. What thinkest thou, is this taboo? I do not think it is, and find her lovely testimony to be more about affection which is good.

2. Which post?

3. Does your Bible say the same as mine?

1 Peter 3:1-6

[SUP]1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; [/SUP][SUP][SUP]2 [/SUP]While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
[/SUP][SUP]6 [/SUP]Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

(Also the whole chapter is good for the reading and the next verses are good perhaps for another topic about a husband's responsibilities and role as well).

I agree and when you get married ill have you and your lovely wife over and all four of us (me, hub, you wife) can revisit this discussion be well

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I agree and when you get married ill have you and your lovely wife over and all four of us (me, hub, you wife) can revisit this discussion be well

If I shall ever be married perhaps it shall be so, but this I do not know.

Nevertheless, we shall end this discussion amicably. My main point is that this woman hath shared a good marriage testimony, and that be a rare gem for this section of the forum. May Jesus be praised for it and may her family be blessed and mayhap both men and women married or unmarried or desiring to be married learn a little bit.

 

[Rosesrock]

If I shall ever be married perhaps it shall be so, but this I do not know.

Nevertheless, we shall end this discussion amicably. My main point is that this woman hath shared a good marriage testimony, and that be a rare gem for this section of the forum. May Jesus be praised for it and may her family be blessed and mayhap both men and women married or unmarried or desiring to be married learn a little bit.

Side hugs to you GIS.....my main point was just because she's happy doesn't mean it's biblical. Kudos to you for question asking. Take care

 

[mystdancer50]

How is that "quite clearly?"

Helper is defined as a person that helps or gives assistance. Equal is defined as the same for each person. Quite clear to me.

 

[Nautilus]

Other than the creepiness of you calling him Master as if its some weird bdsm marriage, just do what makes you happy. But you cant get defensive when the rest of us dont fawn over your submissiveness and pat you own your back for it.

 

[mystdancer50]

ok that verse is about idolatry and yes if she is serving her husband more than God yes that is a sin but she is commanded to server and be submissive to her husband


Ephesians 5:23 22Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.…




so you see in what she said she is doing nothing wrong but obeying what God commanded and you see being this way to your spouse just makes a relashonship run better smother so long as you both got your eyes on God.

She, from her own mouth, calls her husband Master, yet only Christ can be Master, yes? Thus, my reference was relevant.

 

[WolfGaming]

She, from her own mouth, calls her husband Master, yet only Christ can be Master, yes? Thus, my reference was relevant.

Yes but does the Lord not say how we are to be subject to our master and I mean.in the sense of a worldly master not our heavenly master.

 

[Jeff_56]

no. not necessarily, as 'master' doesn't usually relate to salvation and sovereign Lord.

the head of a household / marriage/ is the husband, and the head of the husband is christ, in a family walking with yahweh.

in some or many languages then, for the wife to call the husband 'master' is simply indicating her acceptance of yahweh's order.

She, from her own mouth, calls her husband Master, yet only Christ can be Master, yes? Thus, my reference was relevant.

 

[Jeff_56]

some yes, but not all , more like most men and women

never get to the point where Yahshua is their Master,

(especially here, because it might honestly be expected since it is called a 'christian' site)
so
they
don't realize it(Yahweh's order/WORD/ directions) in other aspects of their lives or relationships either.

i think we're all thrown off by the term "master" in reference to your husband. also the capitalizing "him/he"

well, at least that's what's throwing me off.

 

[mystdancer50]

Yes but does the Lord not say how we are to be subject to our master and I mean.in the sense of a worldly master not our heavenly master.

I do not have a worldly master. I am a slave to Christ alone and the Bible tells us plenty about masters and slaves and husbands and wives.

 

[mystdancer50]

no. not necessarily, as 'master' doesn't usually relate to salvation and sovereign Lord.

the head of a household / marriage/ is the husband, and the head of the husband is christ, in a family walking with yahweh.

in some or many languages then, for the wife to call the husband 'master' is simply indicating her acceptance of yahweh's order.

Master and slave or husband and wife. God never mixes nor confuses the two. Neither should we. They are not the same.

 

[WolfGaming]

She, from her own mouth, calls her husband Master, yet only Christ can be Master, yes? Thus, my reference was relevant.

Ok here is what master means and then I will give bible verses to support what I am saying


#1 a man who has people working for him, especially servants or slaves.


#2 gain control of

#3 One who has control over or ownership of something


#4 a respectful term of address, esp as used by disciples when addressing or referring to a religious teacher

And here is the big one #5 The man who serves as the head of a household



Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.






Genesis 3:16 To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you

(note here he says Lord over you a master is someone that rules over people or things)








now here are some commands to submit to authority





Colossians 3:23 …21Fathers, do not exasperate your children, so that they will not lose heart. 22Slaves, in all things obey those who are your masters on earth, not with external service, as those who merely please men, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord. 23Whatever you do, do your work heartily, as for the Lord rather than for men,…






Romans 13:1-7 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ...







1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”







Colossians 3:19 Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them.


(could this be mean that he has the authority over her to do so?)



w
e could go on for days with this the mane thing is yes God is our master and we should follow him and see if what we are doing is right by him the thing is there is a chain of power God, Jesus a man over his wife and so on you see God made it this way some people are commanded to rule over others look at all the kings in the old testament and elders ect.

 

[jsr1221]

I've gotten the gasp and eye roll from pretty much every person I have this conversation with (Christian or not) when I say I am a submissive wife to my Master (husband). The truth is I have always had a submissive type of personality and spirit. I do my best everyday to submit to God and my Husband.
This means, I wake up and do my daily devotional and pray, I then kiss Master awake and make food while He chooses our clothes for the day. I sometimes will draw Him a shower then clean the house. It is these things, but mostly it is about listening to Him if He tells me no for something I trust that He has my best interest in mind. This is a rare occurrence though. Being a submissive wife to me is also not arguing withMaster if iI don't like something. There are times where He will for instance leave clothes about the house instead of putting them in the basket, instead of arguing I simply ask "I know you work a lot to give me and us a good life and home and you're tired at night but next time can you please put your clothes in the basket?" And He apologizes and picks up His own mess.

It is about trust, love and honesty. I don't understand why some people think that women being this way is somehow wrong.

It was written back in a time when there were slaves... You are not your husband's slave. To make it relatable to today's world, master is equivalent to the person that hands us our paychecks. The person above us at the company we work for. I agree with other posts in that there is only one master, and that's Jesus. Your husband is not your master. Nor are you his slave. You are two people that have chosen to share your life together in order to serve Christ.

 

[WolfGaming]

It was written back in a time when there were slaves... You are not your husband's slave. To make it relatable to today's world, master is equivalent to the person that hands us our paychecks. The person above us at the company we work for. I agree with other posts in that there is only one master, and that's Jesus. Your husband is not your master. Nor are you his slave. You are two people that have chosen to share your life together in order to serve Christ.

maybe you should take 3 or more verses about that read in Genesis 3:16, Ephesians 5:22-24, 1 Peter 3:2, Colossians 3:19

 

[jsr1221]

maybe you should take 3 or more verses about that read in Genesis 3:16, Ephesians 5:22-24, 1 Peter 3:2, Colossians 3:19

Funny you didn't include Ephesians 5:21 where it says serving ONE ANOTHER. Why is that?

 

[Jeff_56]

everyone has the choice
(sometime in their life; later in life, maybe no choice)
to rebel against yahweh's word or not.

almost everyone rebels against yahweh's word. right up until they die, and after that the judgment.

a few don't continually rebel. after they die, they are raised to eternal life.

Master and slave or husband and wife. God never mixes nor confuses the two. Neither should we. They are not the same.

 

[WolfGaming]

Funny you didn't include Ephesians 5:21 where it says serving ONE ANOTHER. Why is that?

I did not see that one sir and it tells us many times for the wife to submit to her husband you used one verse to support what you where saying and I will remind you if the man is of God and same with the woman why would she have a problem submitting to the man if they are both of God they both will have good interest maybe not all the time but it is better another reason to another to be under equally yoked

 

[Jeff_56]

a good king , a righteous king, like king david with a heart after(following, obeying, seeking) yahweh's own heart,

serve yahweh and do what is right and what is good for the people.

a good king does not obey the people. nor does a master obey his servants.

the order is always put in place by yahweh. if it is followed obediently, humbly, then good results , especially by yahweh's hand (blessing).

if yahweh is disobeyed, no matter what the reason, then don't expect his blessing.

Funny you didn't include Ephesians 5:21 where it says serving ONE ANOTHER. Why is that?

 

[WolfGaming]

Master and slave or husband and wife. God never mixes nor confuses the two. Neither should we. They are not the same.

Yes I agree but there is a chain GOD first then Christ and then your husband second etc.