Emotional Cheating

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kenthomas27

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One thing I have to offer to the thread (and it's been echoed by a few other posters) is that one shouldn't share personal, intimate or emotional issues with a "friend" that one wouldn't share with his/her spouse.
Sound words, but again, what if the thing you WOULD share with your spouse is not something your spouse is interested in sharing with YOU? Where is your outlet then? Would that thing then be something you'd share with a friend?

I'm feeling a little like the devil's advocate here but for all the noble expression of loyalty and devotion to your spouse one gives, what if that same devotion is not returned? Evah? What outlet is available if all your friends are won't BE available?
 
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Braylay

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Sound words, but again, what if the thing you WOULD share with your spouse is not something your spouse is interested in sharing with YOU? Where is your outlet then? Would that thing then be something you'd share with a friend?

I'm feeling a little like the devil's advocate here but for all the noble expression of loyalty and devotion to your spouse one gives, what if that same devotion is not returned? Evah? What outlet is available if all your friends are won't BE available?
^ Yes, this.

And is it only considered emotional cheating if it's someone of the opposite sex? What if you were a woman who confided in a woman? Or a man to a man? In the right circumstances maybe lines can be crossed either way.
 

seoulsearch

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Sound words, but again, what if the thing you WOULD share with your spouse is not something your spouse is interested in sharing with YOU? Where is your outlet then? Would that thing then be something you'd share with a friend?

I'm feeling a little like the devil's advocate here but for all the noble expression of loyalty and devotion to your spouse one gives, what if that same devotion is not returned? Evah? What outlet is available if all your friends are won't BE available?
I think that's something really tough for many to wrap their understanding around, and tend to "gloss over" about marriage.

Ideally, your spouse is the one you go to about the most personal things... and maybe everything, ideally? But who lives in an ideal world?

I struggle with this too, Ken. For the most part, I am always by myself but there are a few friends I can talk to in a pinch, and people always seem to be coming and going from my life (just as I also am sent for a time into theirs) but it's usually just for a time and season.

As I wrote in a previous post, I'm not sure how to transfer relying on a group of friends, both male and female, to then having only ONE person as your entire social outlet.

All I can say is, if you think you're incapable of being emotionally faithful to someone, maybe marriage isn't the best option for a person who realizes that as a weakness. It seems unfair and dishonest to marry someone if a person knows they are incapable of emotional faithfulness, no matter what gender is involved--same or opposite. If you plan on marrying someone but your best friend will always be more important than your spouse, don't get married. It's just not fair to the person you're marrying.

And, I would definitely reconsider marrying anyone whom I couldn't share important things with--why would I be with that person if we couldn't talk about what's most important? I think a lot of people "force" marriages without being honest about why they're getting married. They don't want to be alone, they're afraid of getting older, they think this is their last chance... and so they find themselves in situations that were rooted in very unstable foundations to begin with... And then wonder why everything goes south after that.

And, if a person finds themselves in a marriage that started out well and all the emotional intimacy disappears (I've been there), all I can say is, God help them.

Because literally, He's the only thing that's going to save them. And if the marriage can't be saved (you can't force someone to stay with you), again, God is the only thing that's going to get both people through.
 
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cinder

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Seems like an important auxiliary conversation to this one would be about how to integrate a marriage into your current social circle and life. There will be changes, but I would theorize (because again 0 actual experience) that cutting off your entire social circle and expecting your spouse to meet all your emotional and social needs would put way too much stress on that relationship. I don't think it's possible for even the best spouse to live up to that expectation. We don't have to give up interacting with the rest of the world in order to be married, we just need to find a way to include that person in a lot of the life we're already living. I've seen a lot of my friends who go married go through a kind of reclusive period to figure out how to do the whole married thing and adjust, but they eventually come back out and start interacting with the rest of the world, and they aren't forced to always be together when they do so.


And there's a difference between would and could when it comes to sharing. I would gladly share a lot of things (especially knowledge) with almost anyone, but most people are not so interested in me explaining what the rocket pushes against so it can fly and maneuver through the vacuum of space. So there may be things that you would share with your spouse that they aren't interested in hearing, but as long as they aren't the deeply personal things that's ok. I think the big thing with sharing is how personal that sharing is to you, if it's building connection and emotional intimacy for you and you haven't shared it with your spouse then you are in the danger zone.


As far as the opposite gender vs same gender question, I think a huge part in the emotional cheating is the whole can you be romantically attracted to that person question. So for most of us, a friendship with someone of the same gender wouldn't pose such a threat.
 

seoulsearch

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I think the big thing with sharing is how personal that sharing is to you, if it's building connection and emotional intimacy for you and you haven't shared it with your spouse then you are in the danger zone.


As far as the opposite gender vs same gender question, I think a huge part in the emotional cheating is the whole can you be romantically attracted to that person question. So for most of us, a friendship with someone of the same gender wouldn't pose such a threat.

When it comes to friends of the same gender, I think Cinder's point about building an emotional intimacy that you don't have with your spouse is the key factor. And I'm not talking about same-gender attraction at all, but rather, completely platonic friendships.

For instance, if you tell your best friend that you're pregnant before your husband, there's not necessarily anything wrong with that but... I guess that would be one red flag for me. If my spouse is telling someone else our most personal business (and it's a constant thing, not just one or two events) or wanting to spend more time with that friend than at home with me, I'd start to feel like a third wheel, even though I'm the one who was the spouse!

I knew of a situation a while back in which this actually happened. Great Christian girl engaged to a nice Christian guy, but he seemed to have more interest in hanging out with his best (guy) friend instead of her. There was nothing romantic about it at all, but she was beginning to feel like the last one out, and when she confronted him, he just said he found it easier to to talk to his friend than to her.

She broke off the engagement, reasoning that she couldn't marry someone who didn't see her as the top person in his life and didn't feel comfortable talking to her about what was most important to him.

And personally, I can't blame her.
 

seoulsearch

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You are dead right. I have not seen that.
Maybe it's a Yank thing ? (Joking)

Sure, we have had friends who have split - one or two from infidelity - but not caused by the perfectly natural contacts we are discussing here.

Whatever floats ya boat, I guess. But there is no way I would cut off long-standing friendships just because I got married.
I respect that your experience is obviously different but it does happen that others' experiences have turned out much differently than what you describe.

I would also like to ask for the address of the bubble that exists where these sort of things apparently never happen.

It sounds like an awfully nice place to live. ;)
 

Rapunzel

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I would define emotional cheating as the Wikipedia definition MissCris posted. A lot of cheating (physical and emotional) develop as a result of social media. So I think one of the safe guards you asked about would be to either delete social media.. share passwords with your spouse.. have a joint account.. limit your contacts to same sex friends (excluding family), etc. whatever works best for your relationship. When I was engaged my bf and I had access to each other's cell phone, messenger passwords, etc.

I think it is okay to have friends of the same sex to an extent but you have to be careful because (especially if it is an old friend) you might start going to them when you have a fight in your relationship. Then you are telling your friend all about your mate's mistakes and it is just asking for trouble. Each relationship is different so I think it's important to discuss issues like emotional cheating with your significant other and together you can determine what is appropriate for your relationship.
 
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I respect that your experience is obviously different but it does happen that others' experiences have turned out much differently than what you describe.

I would also like to ask for the address of the bubble that exists where these sort of things apparently never happen.

It sounds like an awfully nice place to live. ;)
And everyone can only go with their own judgement and experience.
I'm not saying it never happens.
It has just never happened within my extended family or even (to the best of my knowledge) in my circle of friends and neighbours.

Perhaps there really is a difference between our two societies ?

I would be very reluctant to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Many friendships last longer than some marriages - even when infidelity is not involved.
 

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There have been times that I've felt like I can't tell my spouse something or I'm not sure how to tell him. I will usually talk to my Sister about it. Although at one point in our marriage I had a friend that lived in another state that I talked to about some issues. I shouldn't have but I did. This person developed feelings for me and then I realised how wrong I was. I did tell my Husband and he was hurt. Learn from my mistake. If you need to talk to someone, find an open minded relative or go to a counselor.
 
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What does emotional cheating look like?

It looks like those where there´s no turning point
like those Jesus spoke about as covetous (Matt 5:29; Mk 8:38)
wrapped in hidden selfindulgence, creeping a hurting lie...

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There have been times that I've felt like I can't tell my spouse something or I'm not sure how to tell him. I will usually talk to my Sister about it. Although at one point in our marriage I had a friend that lived in another state that I talked to about some issues. I shouldn't have but I did. This person developed feelings for me and then I realised how wrong I was. I did tell my Husband and he was hurt. Learn from my mistake. If you need to talk to someone, find an open minded relative or go to a counselor.
Saddly those confidences tend to develope a "feeling" the other side.

I myself was engaged in one (like that) and it hurt me to love, not being properly loved, in turn.

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@ Fenner

Are you British?

I saw this, in red: "This person developed feelings for me and then I realised how wrong I was."
 

Fenner

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No I'm American. Now I'm also confused.
 
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¡Dios mío!

I didn´t know Justin B. was been used at intensive care rooms...