Joyce Meyer -- False Teacher

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Catholic Charities and similar Catholic organizations due more charity around the world than any of these Charlatan tv preachers
Big deal. Their message is a lie. Joyce and many ministries like hers is anointed and the ministries, money and goods that she provides to people in need in the world goes a lot further than anything the RCC could do, as Holy Spirit multiplies it.
 
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She, along with most of the other Word of Faith teachers, promote the same teaching that is in the book "The Secret" by Rhonda Byrne. It is known as the law of attraction. According to this teaching, our positive thoughts and words attract good things to our lives (such as relationships, jobs, money, cars, houses), while negative thoughts/words bring bad things to us (such as sickness, injury, divorce, job loss and natural disasters).

I agree with Chica, by the way.
This is an opinion based on a lie.
 
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I am quite sure that the 7 years I spent studying and getting my Master of Divinity is worth a lot more than JM's diploma mill Ph.d from Life Christian Unversity, a school without accreditation, but a favourite place to earn Ph.D's by such Word Faith false teachers as Benny Hinn, Kenneth and Gloria Copeland, etc.

My seminary is accredited by ATS - the Association of Theological Schools.

As for the rhetoric, you are new to this forum. I have the respect of many members, including people who don't agree with me. Sorry you are so eager to defend Joyce Meyers, instead of reading the posts about her unbiblical heresies. Your cult like devotion to her borders on idolatry. IMHO!


PS. Apparently, she still teaches the "little gods" heresy, according to a link posted here. Really, the whole Word Faith, speak things into existance is totally based on this heresy. Because only GOD can speak things into existance, so therefore, in order for the movement to be right, you would have to be at least a "little god." That is the logical end of this whole movement and heresy. Our faith is in Jesus Christ who is the Word, not my words, yours, or any false prophets, televangelists and heretical teachers.
God is so known to bless people with more of a wealth of spiritual knowledge than anyone who has gone to school for years to earn an M. Div.

I will always defend true Christian leaders against the vile tearing apart that comes from negative Nellies and basically envious gossips.
 
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I can understand being somewhat defensive of these tv preachers, especially if their words connected with you somehow.

Dont go off the deep end into cultist territory though by ignoring the facts about unbiblical preachers when they are clearly presented before you.

The fact is, Joyce Meyers is in the same boat as T.D. Jakes, Benny Hinn, and Kenneth Copeland. They are new age Bible twisters who are getting filthy rich off of unbiblical teachings. Now im sure Joyce and Hinn and Jakes etc have some subjective unbiblical reasoning for their twisting of scripture and their owning of multiple houses, private jets, and other excessive spending, but in they end they are clearly money-idolizing wolves in sheeps clothing.
More lies.
 
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You're that powerful that you can speak things into being? Forgive me for doubting you Oh Holey One (that isn't type o, that TRIPE you're spouting is so full of holes!).

Time for a Zirkism

Have you ever gone gopher hunting? I used to run backwards faster than I can run forwards. Ohh look...a monkey.
You may doubt me, but you are really doubting the truth of God's word. It's your funeral.
 
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You're that powerful that you can speak things into being? Forgive me for doubting you Oh Holey One (that isn't type o, that TRIPE you're spouting is so full of holes!).

Time for a Zirkism

Have you ever gone gopher hunting? I used to run backwards faster than I can run forwards. Ohh look...a monkey.
Hey! That's my line! Lol
 
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You follow joyce meyer? Well according to her Christ died so that i can be confident and know who i am so i can be the best me possible. According to her im not a sinner and neither is she. Wait i take that back, according to her i am a sinner but she isnt, because i accept that i am sinful and she doesnt.

Is this really who you want to learn about god from? Notice i didnt say she is teaching the bible, because she isnt, and i used a lowercase g on god, because her god is a false one, a narcissistic one that she created to suit herself.

Im going to take an excellebt play out of Angela and Chica's playbook and leave you wof cultists to it.
You've never even watched her, have you? Youtube videos and self-righteous blogs do not give you the truth.

Go play with gossip girls elsewhere.
 
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Wow, I had no idea I would start such a firestorm!
I am sure you did, just as do all people who initiate these ubiquitous threads.

The way I interpreted the first sentence of the post I quoted way back on page one of this thread struck me as very odd. It seemed to me that Meyer was saying that we will get mercy in the same proportion as we give mercy. Like we can't get mercy unless we give mercy. That to me is very backward. After all, it was God FIRST who was merciful to me. And I would never be able to show mercy myself if not for His Holy Spirit indwelling me. And, finally, I don't show mercy TO others so that I will receive mercy FROM others. Being merciful is an act of love -- the kind of love that comes from God alone. And it is not to be used as some kind of bargaining chip in order for me to receive mercy from others.

So that is my elaboration on her quote. Sorry this thread got so out of hand. I feel particularly sorry for Angela who I respect a great deal and has been treated very poorly IMHO.
Angela gets what she gives, in this instance.

Take in the parable of Jesus found here about the unforgiving debtor:

Matthew 18:21-35
 
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Big deal. Their message is a lie. Joyce and many ministries like hers is anointed and the ministries, money and goods that she provides to people in need in the world goes a lot further than anything the RCC could do, as Holy Spirit multiplies it.
Just google it. Don't take my word for it. Even the secular world recognises the Catholic Church as the most charitable organization on Earth! Not some tv preacher's ministry
 
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Just google it. Don't take my word for it. Even the secular world recognises the Catholic Church as the most charitable organization on Earth! Not some tv preacher's ministry
What is given in Christ, He uses and makes it exponentially greater in its ability to do what it is called to do that anything others could give. If it is given by a Spirit-led ministry like JMM, then it can do far more than what the RCC does.
 
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What is given in Christ, He uses and makes it exponentially greater in its ability to do what it is called to do that anything others could give. If it is given by a Spirit-led ministry like JMM, then it can do far more than what the RCC does.
Ummmm, ok. Well
 

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Originally Posted by santuzza

Wow, I had no idea I would start such a firestorm!



I am sure you did, just as do all people who initiate these ubiquitous threads.​
So you can read hearts and minds? Wow! How do I get THAT spiritual gift?!
 
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Just google it. Don't take my word for it. Even the secular world recognises the Catholic Church as the most charitable organization on Earth! Not some tv preacher's ministry
Here we go with the approval of the child molesters again....when they stop building orphanages so they can rape the children in them, then you can call it charity.
 
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I've listened to Joyce M. for years, more years than I have been on CC. Poor Joyce! :) she has been accused with so many false accusations and basically from the very same group of people on these forums. Whenever her name comes up here., the same people are in the wings waiting to make sure they fry her.

But she is "out there" and CC is not the only place where she has critics. It's just a shame so many people who condemn her know nothing about her except what small blurbs from youtube they can post. And those who claim to be highly educated and wisest among us are the worst of her critics while they post outdated mis information from youtube or quote her out of context. I've seen it done a million times and am always surprised.

God has blessed her and continues to bless her and uses her to bless others. Wow., what a legacy for a woman of God to leave.
 
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Get over the salary of these people. I'd like to know: what's the big deal about them making money?
 
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Joyce Meyer - False teacher or blessed woman of God.

The problem is simple. You can have good advice, help people, get lots of wealth and success but still preach and believe heresy. What fact tells you someone has got it wrong? They believe something that is wrong.

Do you agree with the little gods theology?
If you do, then if Joyce believes that too, you have no problems.

If you think little gods theology is actually a different faith, then if Joyce Meyer teaches this she is not a christian.

I find it interesting people easily saying another christian is lying when lying is a sin. As far as I can read and research, Joyce teaches the whole Latter Rain theology, so for me she is wrong. I can appreciate positive and good outlooks on life and how to deal with stress etc. but that does not make them a teacher of God.

What is also interesting, is people find it hard to accept anyone can bless someone else, they do not have to be christian or non-christian, and it does not make everything they say or do ok. The problem here is the Holy Spirit.
Once you say this person is solely lead by the Holy Spirit, then it is blasphemy to suggest they are wrong.

Now this is just insane, because history is full of well meaning people getting it wrong, and only the insane would find it hard to point out. The Lord is not going to take me to task saying little gods is heresy, it is that simple.
 
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I've listened to Joyce M. for years, more years than I have been on CC. Poor Joyce! :) she has been accused with so many false accusations and basically from the very same group of people on these forums. Whenever her name comes up here., the same people are in the wings waiting to make sure they fry her.

But she is "out there" and CC is not the only place where she has critics. It's just a shame so many people who condemn her know nothing about her except what small blurbs from youtube they can post. And those who claim to be highly educated and wisest among us are the worst of her critics while they post outdated mis information from youtube or quote her out of context. I've seen it done a million times and am always surprised.

God has blessed her and continues to bless her and uses her to bless others. Wow., what a legacy for a woman of God to leave.

Good stuff sister!
The most absurd thing about these attacks is the insistence that Dave and Joyce are WOF teachers.

They started that way, but then left that behind. Even the WOF movement shuns her, because she teaches about suffering for the Lord through persecutions, and that God can and will use illness, sickness, hurt, pain and offense in your life to refine you.

This is not at all what WOF teaches and the "experts" that think they know about her or the WOF movement continue drum beating something they cannot even understand. If you look at most of the dissenters, all they have our you tube videos and copy and pasted excerpts from CARM and other agencies, that will give account one day, just as Dave and Joyce Meyer will.

During our intentional forary into the WOF movement several years ago, my wife came home from a WOF womens Bible study at the WOF church we had started going to. My wifes life was completely turned around because of Joyce Meyer's ministries. She came home and said the whole 2 hours was nothing but a gossip session for Joyce Meyer that she would step out of the false doctrine she was teaching that God's will allows his people to suffer misfortune and pain and suffering.

I helped a WOF church and the pastor and his wife were former missionaries and his wife hated, I mean hated Joyce Meyer for teaching that we suffer for the Lord.

The attackers are amusing, because not one of them understand even the WOF movement and where they are now. Yes WOF taught little gods and emphasis for personal gain confession, but have graduated to even more false teaching that is even worse than those 2 things.

Namely it is never God will for you to be sick and if you are suffering persecution, have constant attacks or you are living in lack in your walk, examine yourself because you are out of the will of God, your faith is not growing, or your are no longer under the blood some where. In addition now to naming and claiming personal wealth and manufacturing results to match the message.