Creflo Dollar's Jet

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Still no biblical support and nothing but ad hominem...

Its clear now that nothing we say will pierce the brainwashing wall of lies.

ill continue to pray for you Nancy. The Lord loves you and wants you to spend eternity with him. Don't let the wolves in sheeps clothing drag you to hell with them.
Hahaha! Sorry for laughing at you, but you make it so easy. I've been seeing nothing but ad hominems here lately.

Nothing you can say will ever cause me to stop heeding the voice of the Holy Spirit who speaks through His word and shows me the truth. I have learned over many years the difference between the brassy, shrill call of the enemy shouting out dire warnings that serve his agenda to get people to not grow in their faith but to remain cozy and complacent, never venturing out of their boat, remaining in the bottom of the boat pointing out at others how crazy they are for trusting Jesus to take them out on the water where He is walking.

You'll never get there as long as you remain sitting there in your little comfort zone.

You sin by your speech here against anointed people of God and you sin against me for presuming I am not saved and that I will be judged by God as worthy of hellfire.

Sorry to burst your incredible bubble, there, sonny, but I am saved and my home is with God, forever.
 
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Christians are not referred to as sinners in scripture. We are saints. God doesn't see us as sinners, but as pure and holy righteous ones. You need to see yourself the way God sees you. It will free you up.

This acceptance of ourselves as God sees us has NOTHING to do with declaring oneself as sinless or not having sinned. It has to do with the position we now have in Christ. We are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus! Don't fight God in this. Stop holding to false humility. He wants to bless us and free us from self-condemnation. Using 1 John 1:8 in the way you have only proves you do not understand scripture through the Holy Spirit, but through your cerebellum.
I agree with you we were saved in the spirit and sealed and GOD relates to us SPIRIT to spirit and those that worship GOD must worship in spirit and in truth.
We sin in the flesh part of ourselves but the spirit is saved and sealed.
 
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it's not evil. But that's what people are going to do when the three main ones are mentioned. So, don't be mad this subject gets sensitive. If you don't like it, don't talk about it.
There are people on this thread that have been here long enough to know what is going. All we are trying to do is to get one at least to supply scriptural support for what they are sayinginstead of just spouting the sam old rhetoric.
 

VCO

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Seeing a thread about Joyce Meyer, there's something I've never understood, about name it and claim it, about prosperity gospel. You are are supposed to be "sowing that seed" with your "love offerings" to that sanctified Post Office box, $10 from a widow, who's skimping on her medicine, needed to help build that swimming pool? The widow you promised a hundred fold return? Needed to buy that jet?

Like Creflo Dollar says he needs a $65,000,000 jet. Why doesn't Creflo Dollar give away $650,000 to the poor or some churches, and buy his jet with his hundred fold return? That would only cost him the equivalent of a few Bentleys and baubles, like Rolex watches. If only enough mojo for a ten fold return, he could double-down once, right?

Better still, why don't they just simplify everything, and name and claim their swimming pools and jets? Why all the money grubbing, as if what they teach doesn't work? Seems if there were any truth in what they're saying, I'd be advertising for people needing free money after every pitch, oops, I mean, sermon, couldn't give it away fast enough! Maybe name and claim that bigger mansion. Shoot! No offense meant to builders, I'd just name and claim the Taj Mahal, except does anybody know if it has indoor plumbing?

There are so many things that just don't make sense of all sorts of doctrines, which you don't get any satisfying answers to. I wonder why this is?

Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


(Wonder if they ever get spooked over camels and eye of needle scripture? Just sayin'... Next: If Creflo Dollar were Mexican, would he be Creflo Peso? Or Vietnamese, Creflo Dong?)

So we got a new Huckster of the Word. I had never heard of that name. I see nothing has Changed, among the Religious Con-Artists. Why do people fall for those kind of scams? One Word describes it: GREED.

Want to know how to identify a Religious Con-Artist; they are the OPPOSITE of what Paul and the other Disciples were like:


2 Corinthians 2:17 (NIV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, like men sent from God.
 
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Where's your fruit? Care to share?
Your startin to get abrasive, people that live in the glass houses they claim others do should't through fruit. :p

I think I have exhibited my fruit toward my own on this thread and I had wanted to do so with you but, your starting to make that impossible. I think you need to call it a night and get some sleep.
 
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Godly is spelled with a little "g". I often capitalize it, but it isn't necessary. Thanks for nit-picking. It's funny to me, as while I do make typos from time to time, I have worked as a literary editor and have a handle on the language. Thanks, anyway.

You are just trying to get rid of me. Not gonna do it. I am not trolling.
Auh shucks, You figured me out.
 
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Your startin to get abrasive, people that live in the glass houses they claim others do should't through fruit. :p

I think I have exhibited my fruit toward my own on this thread and I had wanted to do so with you but, your starting to make that impossible. I think you need to call it a night and get some sleep.
What fruit do you exhibit to those who are not in your clique...or are not "your own"? In other words, have you ever been involved in reaping a soul for Christ? Any spiritual children?
 
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It's gettin late thing I will watch the back of my eyelids for a while yawn3.gif

Nice gif.
 

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Lol people attacking each other on this thread and then have the gall to call out error in other people's ministry. What was that about beams Jesus was talking about? :D
 
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She sure can go in circles.
Its a waste to argue with her. She is brainwashed or indoctrinated or something equivalent. The cult-like attitude and worship of her idols as well as the complete lack of sound biblical doctrine Shows her and her false teacher/idol's source of salvation. A false god they created and a narcissistic focus on self. It is clear they are just another set of false teachers and she is one of the deceived.

Matthew 24:24
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

2 Peter 3:3
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come jin the last days with scoffing, kfollowing their own sinful desires.

Jude 17-18
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]17 But you must tremember, beloved, the predictions of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. 18 They6 said to you, u“In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions.”

1 John 4:1-6
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them.

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Romans 16:18
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
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2 corinthians 11:1-15
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]11 I wish you would bear with me in a little foolishness. Do bear with me! 2 For I feel a divine jealousy for you, since I betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ. 3 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. 5 Indeed, I consider that I am not in the least inferior to these super-apostles.6 Even if I am unskilled in speaking, I am not so in knowledge; indeed, in every way we have made this plain to you in all things.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]7 Or did I commit a sin in humbling myself so that you might be exalted, because I preached God's gospel to you free of charge? 8 I robbed other churches by accepting support from them in order to serve you. 9 And when I was with you and was in need, I did not burden anyone, for the brothers who came from Macedonia supplied my need. So I refrained and will refrain from burdening you in any way. 10 As the truth of Christ is in me, this boasting of mine will not be silenced in the regions of Achaia. 11 And why? Because I do not love you? God knows I do![/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]12 And what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do. 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

2 tim 4:1-5
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]4 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound[a] teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. 5 As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.



She isnt willing to quote the bible because it so clearly calls out her idols as false teachers and it calls her out as the deceived. Of this post gets me banned, i accept my ban willingly because the truth needs to be said.[/FONT]





 

vic1980

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So we got a new Huckster of the Word. I had never heard of that name. I see nothing has Changed, among the Religious Con-Artists. Why do people fall for those kind of scams? One Word describes it: GREED.

Want to know how to identify a Religious Con-Artist; they are the OPPOSITE of what Paul and the other Disciples were like:


2 Corinthians 2:17 (NIV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, like men sent from God.
Very well said VCO

Thee verse you shared, should close this thread in a peaceful way\

2 Corinthians 2:17 (NIV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, like men sent from God.
 

vic1980

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If all these people are so transparent and honest in their dealings...if they have so much integrity, then why are they too proud to subject their financials to the scrutiny of a CHRISTIAN oversight organization? There are plenty of large churches and para-church organizations that submit to such scrutiny.

Additionally, if they are so full of integrity, why do they claim that non-churches are churches so they can escape the scrutiny of the federal government as well. Daystar Television Network claims to be a church and therefore pays NO taxes. People grumble all the time about the poor and how undeserving they are of welfare money, but this CORPORATION makes a quarter of a BILLION dollars a year....yeah, that was with a B. They pay ZERO taxes for this income. The owners of this company live in a SIX MILLION dollar home that they call a "parsonage," so they pay no taxes on that. Do any of you know of a Lutheran minister, Catholic priest, Anglican vicar, or Methodist pastor who lives in a six million dollar parsonage?

Why is this sort of dodgy behavior glossed over by so many of the slavish followers of these people. Oh yeah...it's because they're slavish followers who've checked their brains and their own integrity at the door. It's almost like people who get in abusive relationships...they enable the abuser and stick around because they "love" that person. There's no regard for a basic level of human decency, let alone the application of biblical principals.

And, as an aside, I'm curious about why someone would be so devoted to a person who is engaged in a (dodgy) distant ministry. I wonder sometimes if they engage in this level of devotion with their own neighborhoods and local ministries that could probably use the Christian service.
The LORD made it clear, why sister PoetMary :)

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

Shalom
 
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The phrase "a sinner saved by grace" is not the same as "a saint victorious" but the meaning is the same.

But words matter. A sinner saved by grace describes our current experience, it matters. But words describe the ethic being pushed by the movement. The movement want people to feel they are a conquering perfect army, a hypocracy of reality.

The lie is literally we are perfect, have command authority, and can walk, heal, speak forth creative authority, and getting out of the boat and walk on water.

The problem is this preaching does not address the core problem of love and hurt, lack of forgiveness, and sin due to a lack of communion with the Lord. Our ministry on earth is to work to bring about this very communion.

Changing a label on a tin does not change its contents. Your righteousness has to be better than the pharisees and saduces who taught well but did not live.

For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 5:20

This movement does not even teach well and certainly does not live it, so they are lost.

Blessed are the pure in heart for they will see God Matt 5:8

Once you say, "Oh we must not focus on failure only imputed success", you are just painting the world righteous.