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atwhatcost

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They'd be born again and given a new heart, and their desire would be against those sort of things.
If they are struggling, that's one thing, but if they are justifying their practice, then to the latter I'd say they were not born again.
We talkin' about practice, man? (Sorry. I'm from Philly, so every time I hear that word, this is where my mind goes. lol)
 
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The silliest excuse I've ever heard is "GOD made me gay". Sadly, in my family, there is an uncle who is not only gay but also became an ordained priest afterwards. There is so much WRONG with that scenario that blows my mind. I want to scream out his name, announce to the world this man's background..blow the whistle on this..however...that is not my calling in life. He is hailed as a righteous man in his denominational world, respected in the community and for all practical purposes, does his daily ministerial duties very gratiously, dutifully and cheerfully. He really is a 'nice' gentleman...but so twisted behind his robe.
 
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I am talking about people who have indeed accepted Christ as their savior. If you really think about it, since we all still willfully sin, are we not all practicing sinners?
Oh boy!

Galatians 2:17
But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
 
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They'd be born again and given a new heart, and their desire would be against those sort of things.
If they are struggling, that's one thing, but if they are justifying their practice, then to the latter I'd say they were not born again.
I don't willfully sin,, but I do struggle with it on daily basis. Are you saying this is a sign of being born again? I hate my sin! I sometimes feel i am not worthy, and finally realize.its not God telling me this.
Does this happen to any of you?
 
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I don't willfully sin,, but I do struggle with it on daily basis. Are you saying this is a sign of being born again? I hate my sin! I sometimes feel i am not worthy, and finally realize.its not God telling me this.
Does this happen to any of you?
Which?

Willfully sin? Yes.

Struggle with sin? Oh yeah!

Hate my sin? On a good day. (On a bad day, I still kind of like it.)

Feel I'm unworthy? Of course. I am.

Think God's not telling me I'm unworthy? I don't know. I'm just unworthy. I can see what worthy looks like from God's word, and know I'm not merely in the wrong ball park, I'm on the dark side of the moon in comparison to worthy.

So, I'm not sure which one you wanted to check how others felt, but did I answer anyway?
 
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Which?

Willfully sin? Yes.

Struggle with sin? Oh yeah!

Hate my sin? On a good day. (On a bad day, I still kind of like it.)

Feel I'm unworthy? Of course. I am.

Think God's not telling me I'm unworthy? I don't know. I'm just unworthy. I can see what worthy looks like from God's word, and know I'm not merely in the wrong ball park, I'm on the dark side of the moon in comparison to worthy.

So, I'm not sure which one you wanted to check how others felt, but did I answer anyway?
Thank you for answering! :)
 
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I was watching one of my favorite preachers on YouTube recently, and he asked a question of his congregation that I found very interesting. I am curious of any opinions on this:


Can a person who trusted Christ as his savior, and is a practicing homosexual, go to heaven?

How about a practicing liar?

Or a practicing gossiper?

Etc.
Purposeful practicing of sin and trusting in Christ will not, and cannot be together. Your question is like "can a person go to heaven while they're in hell." Come on. :confused:

No
No
No

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Hebrews 10:26

Threads of this sort is proof that the questioner doesn't trust the truth, and also knows very little about the nature of the human that is clearly defined in scripture.
 

Angela53510

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Before I was saved, I was an alcoholic. The minute God saved me, I knew I had to repent of drinking, and for me, that meant never drinking again. The Holy Spirit helped me to break free of that addiction, and I have never wanted or needed another drink.

Then about 2 years after being saved, I was reading the following verse.

"18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." Gal. 5:18-21

I had the drunkenness, sexual immorality, idolatry, sorcery etc down pat! But how the Lord did convict me of the "fits of anger." The other stuff was easy to give up! I blamed my upbringing, my genetics for my temper. My husband told me I was not saved, every time I lost my temper, but I knew I was. I had the assurance that the Holy Spirit was leading and guiding me.

So 33 years later, I am almost anger free. Enough to know my triggers, pray for forgiveness and acknowledge my sin on the rare occasions when I lose my temper. I have to wonder if for some homosexuals, if God doesn't deliver them when they are saved, if it is a journey and a process, walking with God to overcome that sin, which is no worse than my "fits of anger."

All I know is that I am not the judge. And grateful for that.
 

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#49
I am talking about people who have indeed accepted Christ as their savior. If you really think about it, since we all still willfully sin, are we not all practicing sinners?
I would say the answer is No we are not practicing sinners.....meaning we are forgiven sinners.....We have Jesus life covering our lives and Paul said that what he wanted to do he did not do and what he did not want to do he did.

Yes we all fall now and again, but we have the blood of Jesus covering our lives and God sees His perfect Son and not us. So as we ask for forgiveness when we fail and we ask for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit we are not practicing sin we are forgiven sinners.....
 

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I don't willfully sin,, but I do struggle with it on daily basis. Are you saying this is a sign of being born again? I hate my sin! I sometimes feel i am not worthy, and finally realize.its not God telling me this.
Does this happen to any of you?
A sign of being born again is that they desire to do Gods will even though they go through struggles.
A sign that they are not born again is that they try to justify sin when confronted, even if they profess Christ.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Wait.........hold on there............speak for yourself.............k? Don't include me in that lump............goodness.......
Oh, Your sins are boo boo's or oopsies?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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They'd be born again and given a new heart, and their desire would be against those sort of things.
If they are struggling, that's one thing, but if they are justifying their practice, then to the latter I'd say they were not born again.

amen, as those of us who are born of God know all to painfully. We can not keep claiming it is ok to do any sin, Gods chastening is just to severe.

It is one thing to say you struggle. and beg for help. It is a far other to say it is not a sin, so I will do what I want.

A guy in my church was a practicing homosexual, He did not think it was sin till he found God and God saved, he said it did not take long for the conviction to get so string he could do nothing else but beg God and the church leaders to help him heal. He has since been married, had children and is one of the church leaders.

God can over come anything, Saul was a murderer.
 
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I was watching one of my favorite preachers on YouTube recently, and he asked a question of his congregation that I found very interesting. I am curious of any opinions on this:


Can a person who trusted Christ as his savior, and is a practicing homosexual, go to heaven?

How about a practicing liar?

Or a practicing gossiper?

Etc.
i know a few practicing gossipers. Lol
 
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The children of God can fail and sin...however they will not live a continual lifestyle of sin.....they will repent and get right.....I will also add the following truths....this does not mean that God will not whip them and or take their physical life if they get beyond the ability to be reached by conviction and or chastisement and or shaming by love and blessings......

1. Peter said someone can backslide and FORGET that they HAVE BEEN purged........
2. Paul said there are both honorable and dishonorable vessels in the house
3. Paul said some will have works of wood, hay and stubble....some will have works of gold, silver and precious stones....all will be burnt by fire, the wood, hay and stubble will be burnt up, but they will be SAVED SO AS BY FIRE
4. The Corinthian brother was committing fornication and boasting about it...he was to be cut lose for the destruction of the flesh, but his SPIRIT WILL BE SAVED in the day of Jesus Christ...

so on and so forth........
 
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Cleveland rocks. Ohio.
I pick on Cleveland because there are two cities in America everyone laughs at -- Philly and Cleveland. Well, it's simply not proper to mock my own town, (although that doesn't necessarily stop me), so... Cleveland it is. :cool:
 
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i know a few practicing gossipers. Lol
Do they need to practice or are they already really good at it?

Oh, never mind. Answering is gossip.
:eek:

(That's the problem with gossip. Very easy to get into. :()
 
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A sign of being born again is that they desire to do Gods will even though they go through struggles.
A sign that they are not born again is that they try to justify sin when confronted, even if they profess Christ.
Adam<---it was the woman you gave me
Eve<----it was the serpent

I would not take it that far to say that everyone who is lost would try and justify sin....there are some, (maybe many) who are saved and get nailed in sin that will argue why they did it or try and place blame on others....which is in essence justifying their actions....IMV