Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!
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You can smooth over a crack but you can't always remove the crack, we have inherited a sinful condition that can not be removed only overcome but we all fall down, but we can rise up again, that is what i have experienced and seen with my own eyes over the years. The Holy Spirit is a helper and that is what i have heard many Christians say but it is not always a miracle worker, i'm sorry but my experience tells me otherwise, but that could be my lack of faith and understanding?. God loves the op the same as he loves YOU.
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Sin and its ensuing guilt is one thing, but sin and the insistence that it is good is quite another. Christians have their hands full dealing with such a vile onslaught in this culture today, so we don't need people calling themselves Christians edging in, aiding the enemy's argument.
You say Holy Spirit is a mere helper and not a miracle worker? Have you met Him? This is a false belief, kedge. Holy Spirit in us is our source of power for living God's way! By the way, He is not an "it", either.
You say Holy Spirit is a mere helper and not a miracle worker? Have you met Him? This is a false belief, kedge. Holy Spirit in us is our source of power for living God's way! By the way, He is not an "it", either.
I can agree with that, i hope you are not saying that i somehow said that sin is good?. What i'm talking about is that the desire in all of us is real, you can't expect all people to change their ways over night, the Bible clearly shows that God has patience with us then we should have patience with others. I don't know what PinkieKleenlolz motives are?, but regardless one should at least excercise patience and if one claims to be a Christian then one should show love at all times, God wants all to be saved, the Bible clearly tells the reader to love the enemy and love those who hate you, maybe you can win them over?, people change all the time. YOU nor I can prove with any measure of absolute certainty that people are not born with the tendency to do what is bad in God's eyes, the Bible clearly says that all human beings are descendants of adam so we are all born with a sinful nature. It's not necessarily hardwired to the point it can not be changed, there are no gaurantees that the desire won't return but sure many have changed, even the Bible says that this is what some were but they have been washed clean.
I'm trying to help and encourage others, i'm not condoning sin.
Him?, maybe it is an active force that God uses rather than an actual person?, no i can say i have not or i don't think i have encountered Him
I don't have a problem with that, at all.
I never said He is an it, you claim it is a He.
I'm trying to help and encourage others, i'm not condoning sin.
Him?, maybe it is an active force that God uses rather than an actual person?, no i can say i have not or i don't think i have encountered Him
I don't have a problem with that, at all.
I never said He is an it, you claim it is a He.
kedge, Holy Spirit is a Person, and He is the third person of the Godhead. NOWHERE is He spoken of as "it" in scripture. He indwells everyone who receives Jesus Christ as Saviour, and He is wanting to meet all of us who have received the Son in a deeper way, to fill us with His presence. I have met Him and my life has never been the same.....the word teaches us about the "springs of living water" that He establishes in the hearts of those who submit to His fullness.
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Mr Kedge, the above comment which you commented on was not directed at the original poster. But rather at me, lol.
'Oldheretic,' and his followers apparently, were disagreeing with my comment above.
(I feel my comment matches your statement: the Bible clearly says that all human beings are descendants of adam so we are all born with a sinful nature.)
I hope and believe they agree with me that homosexual acts are gross, terrible sins; and that homosexuality itself is sin and of the devil. But he got very upset with me for suggesting that man cannot overcome sin without Christ
'Oldheretic,' and his followers apparently, were disagreeing with my comment above.
(I feel my comment matches your statement: the Bible clearly says that all human beings are descendants of adam so we are all born with a sinful nature.)
I hope and believe they agree with me that homosexual acts are gross, terrible sins; and that homosexuality itself is sin and of the devil. But he got very upset with me for suggesting that man cannot overcome sin without Christ
"Research"? You cannot KNOW Holy Spirit by research. If there is a division on that score, then the division is a lot more of a chasm than you can imagine.
I have joy in knowing the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and to have His Spirit living in and through me. Jesus wants to know you in that same intimate way, also, kedge. Would you like to have a relationship with the living Jesus?
I have joy in knowing the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and to have His Spirit living in and through me. Jesus wants to know you in that same intimate way, also, kedge. Would you like to have a relationship with the living Jesus?
Hahaha!, sorry my bad, lol. Confused.com
There is no reason why one should not see it that way. Once upon a time not that long ago i used to hate on Christians, i thought they were a pain in the side, complete nutjobs, i used to swear at them, mock them, so on and so forth. But i have at least changed my ways, but it did not happen over night.
There is no reason why one should not see it that way. Once upon a time not that long ago i used to hate on Christians, i thought they were a pain in the side, complete nutjobs, i used to swear at them, mock them, so on and so forth. But i have at least changed my ways, but it did not happen over night.
I simply wanted to know what others say about the Holy Spirit. It goes right back to the same questions though, how can anyone claim that their truth is the real truth of the true meaning of the Biblical text or Scripture?, surely one Christian will say that his encounter with the Holy Spirit teaches me or guides me this way yet another Christian will say the same and then say that this is the correct interpretation?, and i am right back where i started.
I'm not sure?, i'm trying to understand what truth is.
I'm not sure?, i'm trying to understand what truth is.
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The Bible does not promote prejudice against people. However, its view of homosexual acts is clear.
“You must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.”—Leviticus 18:22.
As part of the Mosaic Law, this prohibition was one of many moral laws given specifically to the nation of Israel. Even so, the commandment expresses God’s view of homosexual acts, whether by Jews or non-Jews, when it says: “It is a detestable thing.” The nations around Israel practiced homosexuality, incest, adultery, and other acts prohibited by the Law. Therefore, God viewed those nations as unclean. (Leviticus 18:24, 25) Did the Bible’s viewpoint change during the Christian era? Consider the following scripture:
“God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene.”—Romans 1:26, 27.
Why does the Bible describe homosexual acts as unnatural and obscene? Because they involve sexual activity that was not intended by our Creator. Homosexual acts cannot produce offspring. The Bible compares homosexual activity to the sexual relations that rebellious angels, who came to be known as demons, had with women before the Deluge of Noah’s day. (Genesis 6:4; 19:4, 5; Jude 6, 7) God views both acts as unnatural. The Bible does not make light of anyone’s struggle to be freed from practices and behaviors that dishonors God. In the first century many a Christian was helped to be rid of habits and behaviors that would have cost them their heavenly crown!(1 Corinthians 6:9-11)
“You must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.”—Leviticus 18:22.
As part of the Mosaic Law, this prohibition was one of many moral laws given specifically to the nation of Israel. Even so, the commandment expresses God’s view of homosexual acts, whether by Jews or non-Jews, when it says: “It is a detestable thing.” The nations around Israel practiced homosexuality, incest, adultery, and other acts prohibited by the Law. Therefore, God viewed those nations as unclean. (Leviticus 18:24, 25) Did the Bible’s viewpoint change during the Christian era? Consider the following scripture:
“God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene.”—Romans 1:26, 27.
Why does the Bible describe homosexual acts as unnatural and obscene? Because they involve sexual activity that was not intended by our Creator. Homosexual acts cannot produce offspring. The Bible compares homosexual activity to the sexual relations that rebellious angels, who came to be known as demons, had with women before the Deluge of Noah’s day. (Genesis 6:4; 19:4, 5; Jude 6, 7) God views both acts as unnatural. The Bible does not make light of anyone’s struggle to be freed from practices and behaviors that dishonors God. In the first century many a Christian was helped to be rid of habits and behaviors that would have cost them their heavenly crown!(1 Corinthians 6:9-11)
Anyone in the world can know the absolute truth about salvation in Jesus by trusting in Him and believing in the bible and what God says there. when we receive Jesus as our personal Saviour, Holy Spirit instantly comes in to dwell in us and He becomes our lifelong companion, constantly speaking to us about what is true and what is not, and explaining what it is we have just read in the word, as He is our Teacher and guide...and ever faithful, never ever leading us astray.
I invite you to keep seeking Him, and He will reveal to you who He is and He will spark your faith, and you will receive Him and the truth of His punishment on your behalf for all your sins. You will then begin a wonderful, intimate and exciting life with Him in it---even through the hard times, where He gives you comfort and direction. You will never be alone or without hope again! He loves you more than you can even comprehend!
I invite you to keep seeking Him, and He will reveal to you who He is and He will spark your faith, and you will receive Him and the truth of His punishment on your behalf for all your sins. You will then begin a wonderful, intimate and exciting life with Him in it---even through the hard times, where He gives you comfort and direction. You will never be alone or without hope again! He loves you more than you can even comprehend!
I honestly have no idea why Christians are so vehemently opposed to the possibility of someone being born with an attraction to the opposite sex: please be consistent - if you are so certain that the sin in this world can result in children being born with terminal illnesses and physical/neurological disabilities, then why all of a sudden contend that "no, God CAN'T create people like this!"
Why would a world in which people are only homosexual by choice and not born that way strengthen the argument that homosexuality is wrong? By that logic, people can justify rape since the normal person is born heterosexual and thus unable to control his animalistic desires...since when does the source of the desire or the way by which it comes about define the morality or immorality of a certain action?
Good grief, seriously...[and God said, "Let there be logic"]
Why would a world in which people are only homosexual by choice and not born that way strengthen the argument that homosexuality is wrong? By that logic, people can justify rape since the normal person is born heterosexual and thus unable to control his animalistic desires...since when does the source of the desire or the way by which it comes about define the morality or immorality of a certain action?
Good grief, seriously...[and God said, "Let there be logic"]
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