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First you have to understand how this term is used in scripture. In Rom 1 Paul four times that God gave man (as a societal entity) over to a series pf degrading behaviors.
1:24, "Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them."
1:26, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,"
1:28, "And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
In Acts 7:42 Stephen says that "But God turned away and delivered them up (same word in the Greek - παρέδωκεν) to serve the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, 'IT WAS NOT TO ME THAT YOU OFFERED VICTIMS AND SACRIFICES FORTY YEARS IN THE WILDERNESS, WAS IT, O HOUSE OF ISRAEL?
In other words, when man refuses to acknowledge and obey God then God delivers them to their desires and to the consequences of their actions. This is the same thing Paul says he did with Hymenaeus and Alexander because they were blasphemers. He did the same thing concerning the one who had taken their father's wife in 1Cor 5:5. The rest of the Church was commanded to do the same.
1:24, "Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them."
1:26, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,"
1:28, "And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
In Acts 7:42 Stephen says that "But God turned away and delivered them up (same word in the Greek - παρέδωκεν) to serve the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, 'IT WAS NOT TO ME THAT YOU OFFERED VICTIMS AND SACRIFICES FORTY YEARS IN THE WILDERNESS, WAS IT, O HOUSE OF ISRAEL?
In other words, when man refuses to acknowledge and obey God then God delivers them to their desires and to the consequences of their actions. This is the same thing Paul says he did with Hymenaeus and Alexander because they were blasphemers. He did the same thing concerning the one who had taken their father's wife in 1Cor 5:5. The rest of the Church was commanded to do the same.
I gave scripture to prove my point. 
K
Scriptures that go along with this:
Matthew 25:1-13, 14-30;
Luke 8:13, 9:62, 12:42-48;
John 15:1-6;
Acts 4:32, 5:1-11, 8:9-24, 20:28-30;
Romans 11:13-23; 1 Cor. 9:26-27, 10:1-12;
Galatians 2:11-14, 5:4, 6:1;
1 Timothy 1:18-20, 4:1, 5:8, 6:10;
2 Timothy 2:16-18;
Hebrews 3:12, 4:1-2, 4:11, 6:4-8, 10:26-31, 10:38-39;
James 5:19-20;
1 Peter 5:8;
2 Peter 2:1, 2:20-22, 3:17;
2 John 1:8-9;
Revelation 2:4-5, 3:5, 3:16-17
Matthew 25:1-13, 14-30;
Luke 8:13, 9:62, 12:42-48;
John 15:1-6;
Acts 4:32, 5:1-11, 8:9-24, 20:28-30;
Romans 11:13-23; 1 Cor. 9:26-27, 10:1-12;
Galatians 2:11-14, 5:4, 6:1;
1 Timothy 1:18-20, 4:1, 5:8, 6:10;
2 Timothy 2:16-18;
Hebrews 3:12, 4:1-2, 4:11, 6:4-8, 10:26-31, 10:38-39;
James 5:19-20;
1 Peter 5:8;
2 Peter 2:1, 2:20-22, 3:17;
2 John 1:8-9;
Revelation 2:4-5, 3:5, 3:16-17
K
It is amazing at the number of scholars who have advanced the position that the “destruction of the flesh” here refers to physical death.This view is at variance with the very spirit of the passage, which suggests the reclamation of the wayward brother’s soul by means of the “destruction.”“Deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”The destruction of the flesh is a remedial procedure, the design of which is for the man’s salvation.There is no redemptive value in mere death!
The expression “deliver such a one unto Satan” is the equivalent of “put away the wicked man from among yourselves” (v. 13).It is a biblical idiom for the severing of Christianfellowship.It represents a dramatic expression of the literal formula, “have no company with” (v. 9), or the more specific admonition “with such a one do not even eat” (v. 11), i.e., refrain from ordinary social fraternization with such a one (cf. 2 Thes. 3:6).
V
ISIT, I think you fully know there has been Scripture posted on countless threads over the weeks, months, and years, predating both of us -- Just as i pointed out in that earlier post to which you first replied -- so please don't attempt to deflect the question in a manner that should be beneath you.
My post was very general in nature, not specific to this thread. I am asking you as a fellow member to answer a simple question.
There is no straw man. Anyone can scroll back through these posts and see that others have posted multiple Scriptures that deal with the subject matter, Scriptures that you would appear to say are canceled by the one you posted.
Secondly, it is the implication of your statement that no one posts Scripture but you, or if they do, yours "cancels theirs out," as that is the only means by which I can see that you would post one verse in response to well over a dozen and claim you have posted Scripture. The reality is that yours is yet again out of context and has no answer for the OP.
Finally, your second post on here turned this into another eternal security debate, and that isn't even the subject the OP raised. His question, instead, is about the power allotted to the believer.
None of this promotes unity, which is the issue I care most about on this board. If I'm wrong in saying this, please forgive me, but it appears you have one subject, eternal security, one on which I believe you are wrong. It is the club you use to beat up other Christians because they simply won't agree with you.
I have to ask you again on that note, respectfully: "Yes" or "no," could you possible be wrong in your stance on eternal security? It truly is a simply question. Whichever way you answer is immaterial. Just please answer.
My post was very general in nature, not specific to this thread. I am asking you as a fellow member to answer a simple question.
There is no straw man. Anyone can scroll back through these posts and see that others have posted multiple Scriptures that deal with the subject matter, Scriptures that you would appear to say are canceled by the one you posted.
Secondly, it is the implication of your statement that no one posts Scripture but you, or if they do, yours "cancels theirs out," as that is the only means by which I can see that you would post one verse in response to well over a dozen and claim you have posted Scripture. The reality is that yours is yet again out of context and has no answer for the OP.
Finally, your second post on here turned this into another eternal security debate, and that isn't even the subject the OP raised. His question, instead, is about the power allotted to the believer.
None of this promotes unity, which is the issue I care most about on this board. If I'm wrong in saying this, please forgive me, but it appears you have one subject, eternal security, one on which I believe you are wrong. It is the club you use to beat up other Christians because they simply won't agree with you.
I have to ask you again on that note, respectfully: "Yes" or "no," could you possible be wrong in your stance on eternal security? It truly is a simply question. Whichever way you answer is immaterial. Just please answer.
V
None of that is evident in my post. Perhaps you could ask others if they see it, just to verify.
Not even a "God bless you"? May He bless you, ISIT, but as for me ...
Don't worry, fellow member. You won't have to be confronted by truth from me anymore. If you have no desire to present yourself honestly, no desire to fellowship except on your terms, if you have no desire for true fellowship, there is no reason for me to share.
... so no I will not respond to another weak attempt by you to bring more accusations. Have a nice day.
Don't worry, fellow member. You won't have to be confronted by truth from me anymore. If you have no desire to present yourself honestly, no desire to fellowship except on your terms, if you have no desire for true fellowship, there is no reason for me to share.
None of that is evident in my post. Perhaps you could ask others if they see it, just to verify.
Not even a "God bless you"? May He bless you, ISIT, but as for me ...
Don't worry, fellow member. You won't have to be confronted by truth from me anymore. If you have no desire to present yourself honestly, no desire to fellowship except on your terms, if you have no desire for true fellowship, there is no reason for me to share.
Not even a "God bless you"? May He bless you, ISIT, but as for me ...
Don't worry, fellow member. You won't have to be confronted by truth from me anymore. If you have no desire to present yourself honestly, no desire to fellowship except on your terms, if you have no desire for true fellowship, there is no reason for me to share.
Where have you seen that "example" in Jesus´ life (or in the former apostles)?
Is Paul "authority" above the Son of God?
Does God need men´s instruction to do His Almighty will?
Many todays preachers think they have such a big "power" to hand over, instead of rescueing the sinners.
You have your own ideas, as I also have mine (in secret)
Is Paul "authority" above the Son of God?
Does God need men´s instruction to do His Almighty will?
Many todays preachers think they have such a big "power" to hand over, instead of rescueing the sinners.
You have your own ideas, as I also have mine (in secret)