Is Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) a total joke?

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Mitspa

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The context of that Philippians(?) verse is talking about the majesty of God, that He's outside the boundaries of time and space (the created) because He is the Creator. The verse is also about how awesome it is to bathe in God's presence. It has nothing to do with the Creation week time period. Especially since it compares one thing to another. The key words are 'is like'. Context.
So whats your point? I made mine :) and that's not in Philippians its in 2Peter and it also represents the idea that God don't count time as men counts time.
 

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The KJV Bible translators even said they would welcome more modern translations in the future. But don't tell the KJV-Onlyists that. They removed the Preface for a reason.
Can't have that pesky, context informational, doctrine-compromise inducing sacrilege!
 

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I have a question. Did they not have better Hebrew words todescribe a longer age? I thought the Hebrew language was pretty rich and precise.If they wanted to, could they have made it much more clear that it was ages orlong amounts of time. When I hear “yom could mean a day or longer amounts oftime”, I think well did they have a word that only meant “longer amounts oftime” or something that couldn’t be used to mean a single day? I am trulyignorant on this subject and this is an honest question. I just started Greek,Hebrew is on down the road, God willing.
Hebrew is not an exact language, nor is it precise. And Genesis was written in a very ancient Hebrew, which was what we might call proto-Hebrew, which had far fewer words than later Hebrew.

. If you use an inter-linear Hebrew-English version you will probably be surprised at how differently it comes out compared to an English 'translation' which regularly has to interpret idioms. You will also be able to note how yom is used in a number of different ways. Thus it is true that Hebrew is lacking in descriptive words. Hebrew is based on its verbal system because the Hebrews were a 'doing' people. The whole language is based on its verbs. Interestingly they have no tenses which signify past, present and future. Their verbal tenses reflect completeness and incompleteness. Their prepositions are relatively vague.

In fact Genesis 1 makes clear that yom means 'a period of light'. It actually SAYS SO, There are no grounds there for making a yom a 24 hour day. It is pure dogmatism that seeks to do so.
 

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Hebrew is not an exact language, nor is it precise. And Genesis was written in a very ancient Hebrew, which was what we might call proto-Hebrew, which had far fewer words than later Hebrew.

. If you use an inter-linear Hebrew-English version you will probably be surprised at how differently it comes out compared to an English 'translation' which regularly has to interpret idioms. You will also be able to note how yom is used in a number of different ways. Thus it is true that Hebrew is lacking in descriptive words. Hebrew is based on its verbal system because the Hebrews were a 'doing' people. The whole language is based on its verbs. Interestingly they have no tenses which signify past, present and future. Their verbal tenses reflect completeness and incompleteness. Their prepositions are relatively vague.

In fact Genesis 1 makes clear that yom means 'a period of light'. It actually SAYS SO, There are no grounds there for making a yom a 24 hour day. It is pure dogmatism that seeks to do so.
Well thank you for the response. Well it looks like after I learn Greek, then I will have something new to occupy a LOT of my time. That makes sense with the tiny bit I've learned about it so far as well. Like I knew the older Hebrew had less words, but didn't really know much else about it. I defiantly learned a little from the little bit you wrote so thank you very much. I was honestly asking because I had no idea and was curious. I guess I had the "preciseness" in my head in regards to how the Hebrews copied the scriptures and just assumed the preciseness of the words too. My mistake. It is so very interesting though and I’m looking forward to learning more as soon as and if I finish learning Greek (I’m not too far into learning that, only had this hunger for 20 months or so since my regeneration), but thank you so much for answering my curiosity.
 
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If I read you right JackH, you believe God does not have the power to keep the Bible 100% accurate?

I do not know what god you are following JackH, but nothing is Impossible with the God I follow.

The very fact you believe God could not keep the Bible 100% accurate leads me to believe you may not have received Salvation and are a wolf in sheep clothing.
 
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If I read you right JackH, you believe God does not have the power to keep the Bible 100% accurate?

I do not know what god you are following JackH, but nothing is Impossible with the God I follow.

The very fact you believe God could not keep the Bible 100% accurate leads me to believe you may not have received Salvation and are a wolf in sheep clothing.
There you go again, sending those who don't agree with you to eternal damnation.

Thank you, God.

What bible, exactly, do you say is 100% accurate?

It can only be one because they all differ in some respects.
 
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Prove the Bible is not 100% accurate JackH. All you do is flap your gums with no proof. You are no different than the Catholic Church. Teaching lies to keep people in bondage to Satan.
 
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Prove the Bible is not 100% accurate JackH. All you do is flap your gums with no proof. You are no different than the Catholic Church. Teaching lies to keep people in bondage to Satan.
Read my lips.

What Bible is 100% accurate?

The King James or the Queen James?

The Septuagint (LXX) or the Vulgate?

The NASB or the NIV?
 
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All,

Here's an interesting scientific debate between Dr. Ross (OEC) & Dr. Lisle(YEC).

Hugh makes an interesting point that its not a scientific debate...its a Biblical debate....meaning that the scientific evidence for an old earth/Universe is beyond debate.

Its a slam dunk.

I found it humorous that Dr. Lisle's chronic reply, over and over, when questioned about science, that.....'I have no reason to believe'....when, in fact, Dr. Ross' very own organization is called 'Reasons to Believe'....!

Lisle is a defeatist.

Ross is Right!




http://ow.ly/OeFd4
 
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All,

Here's an interesting scientific debate between Dr. Ross (OEC) & Dr. Lisle(YEC).

Hugh makes an interesting point that its not a scientific debate...its a Biblical debate....meaning that the scientific evidence for an old earth/Universe is beyond debate.

Its a slam dunk.

I found it humorous that Dr. Lisle's chronic reply, over and over, when questioned about science, that.....'I have no reason to believe'....when, in fact, Dr. Ross' very own organization is called 'Reasons to Believe'....!

Lisle is a defeatist.

Ross is Right!




http://ow.ly/OeFd4
I agree, it is a slam dunk.

The pseudoscientific "evidence" of the YECs is pathetic.

No matter how many times they are refuted, they keep right on regurgitating the very same talking points.
 
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Mitspa

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There you go again, sending those who don't agree with you to eternal damnation.

Thank you, God.

What bible, exactly, do you say is 100% accurate?

It can only be one because they all differ in some respects.
Yea he unsaved me on another thread because I believe the bible...imagine that? Folks like this make your job easy Jack.
 
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Yea he unsaved me on another thread because I believe the bible...imagine that? Folks like this make your job easy Jack.
Which job is that?

Teaching dogs how to be mean?

Now, please don't distract me.

I'm working on my dissertation.

You did ask several times where my dissertation was when I criticized Dr. Dino's joke of a dissertation.
 
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So whats your point? I made mine :) and that's not in Philippians its in 2Peter and it also represents the idea that God don't count time as men counts time.
2nd Peter. Sorry, yes. That's why I wrote the book with a question mark. But the same truth remains: that verse can't be used to say God's days are different to ours when it comes to the days of Creation. Context is key.
 

valiant

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2nd Peter. Sorry, yes. That's why I wrote the book with a question mark. But the same truth remains: that verse can't be used to say God's days are different to ours when it comes to the days of Creation. Context is key.
Well it can be used to indicate that to God time is unimportant. And if context is important then when we come to a chapter which clearly declares that a yom is a period of light, and indicates that the length of that period of light is not determined until the fourth yom, it certainly militates against yom in that chapter meaning what we moderns see as a day. And this is especially so as the yom in Genesis is defined in terms of evening and morning. the closing and opening of a period of light, and not in terms of night and day. Add to which yom in chapter 2 undoubtedly means a period of time.

Add to this that the first yom does not have an evening, if by that we mean an 'opening' evening. And it is quite clear that the writer is NOT talking of 'days' as we know them. Your problem is that you have already decided what a yom means, without looking at the facts or considering the Hebrew. You are following tradition, not Scripture.
 
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Easy :) The Valiant translation!!
The Prince Valiant translation?

Is that the bible Cailtlin Jenner (formerly Bruce Jenner) referred to in the interview with Diane Sawyer?

The transgender translation?

Or are you pulling my leg?

I was serious about the Queen James Bible.

You can buy yours at Amazon:

The Queen James Bible: 9780615724539: Amazon.com: Books

Some say that the hero of DiscipleDave and KJV1611 (the person not the book) was referred to as Queen James.
 
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Mitspa

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2nd Peter. Sorry, yes. That's why I wrote the book with a question mark. But the same truth remains: that verse can't be used to say God's days are different to ours when it comes to the days of Creation. Context is key.
Yes of course it can and should very much relate to how we understand the Lords intention in using the term "day". And the clear context uses the term for day, three different ways to represent periods of time. So im not sure of what you looking for, but for me its very evident the term could represent periods of time.
 
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Mitspa

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Which job is that?

Teaching dogs how to be mean?

Now, please don't distract me.

I'm working on my dissertation.

You did ask several times where my dissertation was when I criticized Dr. Dino's joke of a dissertation.
Wow...your 98 and haven't gotten that finished yet?
 
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Wow...your 98 and haven't gotten that finished yet?
He's not working on his dissertation, but his next distraction from the truth at hand. That's academic (as in reputable - haha) for 'sleight-of-hand'. ;)