I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Scripture.

[Jason0047]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

How did you come to know Jesus? Family thing or on your own? Who gave you your first teachings?

I do not mind answering this.

I came to know Jesus Christ one day when I received a Bible tract called, "This Was Your Life." by Jack Chick in 1992. I was working at my job and someone gave it to me and I decided to put it in my pocket to read later on when I got home. After I read the tract, I admitted I was a sinner and called upon Jesus Christ to save me. I then felt like there was a light that turned on within me and I knew I was saved and I wanted to go out and tell everyone about Jesus (So that they could be saved, too).

As for my family upbringing: Jesus was only mentioned around Christmas time (and their were decorations so as to honor him and his name), but I had no clue of the gospel message. At that time, I don't believe I even knew of his death or resurreciton yet.

In the beginning of my faith I was on fire for the Lord and I had a good friend who helped to spread the gospel with me. But in time, I had thought I could serve God and also chase after riches, too. But I discovered it led me down a worldly path, and not the one God has given us within His Word.

In 2010, I renewed my faith in Jesus Christ and decided to be a servant dedicated exclusively to God again. It was around this time, that I also was contacted by a Christian woman half way around the world (Who is my fiance). I know that after I repented of my worldly ways, I was not saved during the time I was backslidden according to my own purposes (even though at the time I was deceived into thinking Jesus was my Savior while I was backslidden). I knew that if were to have died during the time I was backslidden, I would not have been saved. But when I renewed my faith in 2010, is when I truly started to study the Bible on my own. For the Scriptures say study to show yourself approved unto God (2 Timothy 2:15 KJV). So I did not get my teaching from men. I had received my teaching from the Spirit. I worked hard to know what God really was trying to say in His Word to me. Not a truth that I would find comfortable, but the truth that God wanted me to know (Which is plainly written in His Word). So my first teachings were given to me by the Spirit and personal study so as to please God (and not in any way to conform with some popular church or anything).

 

[Jason0047]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

This goes both ways. God is not going to tell you to do something in conflict with His word is quite true but everything God says fits perfectly into everything God ever said or did. God does nothing part way or incompletely. God is the God of eternity, His habitation is eternity.

No. Man shall not live by bread alone.

I only hope that someday you learn that knowledge is no good without understanding. The word of God is a surgical tool not a bludgeon. The Holy Spirit is able to use the word of God to accomplish that which God pleases. Note God pleases and that may not be what you or I expect. There is where understanding and compassion come into play.

Oftentimes love is seen and not heard.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Actually the Word of God is a double edged sword that can divide asunder the soul and spirit.

 

[kaylagrl]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

While you may agree, I am not sure you understand the depth and the importance of where I am coming from. You will find those who are insulting do not offer Scripture very often. When they do bring up a verse and you try and discuss the context with them, they just hurl more insults or do not bother to discuss it with you. We are here on a Bible discussion forum and not an insult forum. Folks should be reminded that they need to talk about the actual Bible because that is why we are here. I have seen people just flat out judge my thoughts as if they know what I was thinking. If one believes in the Bible, then one needs to know the basics. Faith, Love, Hope. To speak in love and to talk about the Bible. Granted, I cannot tell others what to do. Every person here will be responsible for what they say before God. I am merely giving them the standard of what God would want us to do according to His Word (if that is indeed why we are here). For man shall not live by bread alone.



I really do not see that happening. The Word of God tells us to preach the Word.

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. (2 Timothy 4:2).

We are also to correct, teach doctrine, and train others in righteousness according to God's Word (and not according to our own thoughts).

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16).

We have people here who actually disagree with the above Scripture here. For they specifically told me that they do not like to use Scripture. This is a direct violation of God's Word and it defeats the purpose of why they are in a Bible discussion section on a Christian forum in the first place. Granted, I understand that there may be times we may always use the Word of God in every single post, but that should be a rare thing so as to discuss a point or issue that relates to God's Word in some way or to pray for someone and or to love them.

I have absolutely no problem with this, either. I quote part of verses and or allude to Scripture many times, too (without direct reference to Scripture). The point is that the believer who knows the Word of God will recognize the reference and be able to talk more about it with the Bible in return. If one just talks about other things all the time as if we were on a social club, then that kind of defeats the purpose of having a Bible discussion. For I would not go to a Bible Study group if all they talked about was sports or if all they did there was put down other people or never bring up Scripture.



Well, the title is true. I will ignore people if all they do is just insult (post opinion all the time). But if they do not do that, and they want to communicate to me with love and respect and or they want to post (or partially reference or allude to) Scripture (when talking about their beliefs), then I will hear them.



I am not saying it is against CC rules for them to talk as they do. That is not my point. My point is telling folks how I will react to what they are saying so as to be an example for the faith. To do what God wants me to do according to His Word. So in turn, other people will want to do the same and lift up His Word rather than themselves.

I think we've come about to agreeing. Maybe now that you have fully explained I understand better what you are trying to communicate. I feel that happens a lot here.I try not to communicate through emails with family,too easy to be misunderstood and taken wrong. Either way I think Im on the same page now.

 

[Jason0047]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

I think we've come about to agreeing. Maybe now that you have fully explained I understand better what you are trying to communicate. I feel that happens a lot here.I try not to communicate through emails with family,too easy to be misunderstood and taken wrong. Either way I think Im on the same page now.

I am glad. May your joy be full in the Lord today.
And peace be unto you.

 

[kaylagrl]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

I am glad. May your joy be full in the Lord today.
And peace be unto you.

And to you also,blessings.

 

[jsr1221]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

It should be obvious why insults should be ignored. Also, those who just go on and on about opinion rather than posting Scripture are making up their own faith and they are not resting in the faith that comes from the Word of God. I am a very forgiving kind of a guy by nature. So it has nothing to do with forgiveness but it has to do with wanting to discuss the Bible in a Bible discussion section on a Christian forum.

So you want to discuss Scripture but you don't want to hear people's opinions because that's making up their own faith? You make no sense, dude. Part of discussing Scritpure is saying what we think it means. I guess you don't believe in sharpening iron.

 

[jsr1221]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

God will hold each and every believer accountable for the words that they say here on this Earth. Would you rather be speaking in line with the faith according to His Word and pleasing Him? Or would you rather be doing your own thing? Do you believe that the Word of God can enter a person's heart like a seed and then grow from there? How can one do that if they never use Scripture? How can one do that if they are insulting all the time?

Also, I am saying how I will react according to the Word. People can do whatever they like. But I believe God wants me to speak His Word while amongst other believers because that is how we:

(a) Get Faith
(b) Grow in the Word (Learn)
(c) Edify (Build each other up)
(d) Correct others in love who have false doctrine.
(e) Memorize Scripture and Hide it in our hearts so as not to sin against Him.
(f) Appreciate the Word (Whereby we give thanks to Him for it). For it is a light unto our path.

With regards to (e), I have trouble with memorization. It was even like that with school. Which is why I do much better on recognition rather than recall. So what does that say in my case?

 

[DesiredHaven]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

As are you....

Im not one one coming in whining about everyone coming onto this this thread.
And in all fairness, I cannot help I am still waiting on being beamed out of this wonderful place
And I know it cannot happen soon enough for al off you lovely Holy Spirit led people.

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[notuptome]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

No. Man shall not live by bread alone.

Fails to consider anything said in my post.

Actually the Word of God is a double edged sword that can divide asunder the soul and spirit.

And just whom is it that wields that sword? Isaiah 55:11 So shall My word be that goeth forth out of My mouth: it shall not return unto Me void, but shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

The branch bears the fruit but the Vine produces the fruit. The preachers send forth not their word but the word of God. God gives the increase and produces the harvest. We are never taught to hit people over the head with Gods word. Only testify of Christ through our lives and the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

Well, it depends on the questions asked. I am not obligated to answer by any means. Especially if they are personal questions about my life. For as you know I will not talk about my personal life here. I am here to talk about the Bible. But I honestly do not know what questions you asked (Because I do not always read everyone's posts on every single page). But if you do have questions, I will try and answer them (depending on the length of them and if they are not personal questions). For surely you can get the answer you seek by asking the same question in a third party kind of way. So if you have a few questions (and not a ton of them) and they are not personal, then please post them.

You could have just said, "I haven't read them."

Anyway, the first two are here, post #150 on this thread. They are not personal.

And the other was simply, regarding your view of the need for total obedience to maintain salvation, "Do you think there is even the remotest possibility that you could be wrong?"

There ya go.

 

[Jason0047]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

So you want to discuss Scripture but you don't want to hear people's opinions because that's making up their own faith? You make no sense, dude. Part of discussing Scritpure is saying what we think it means. I guess you don't believe in sharpening iron.

I have already explained this. I do not have a problem if somebody offers Scripture and explains it. I have a problem when folks do not post any kind of Scripture whatseover and they just go on and on about their thoughts concerning God (with no actual Bible references). We are supposed to be discussing the Bible because we are on a Bible discussion section within a Christian forum and we are not a general religionist discussion type website or section. I also have a problem with folks insulting me (Which again goes against why we are here), too.

 

[JesusLives]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

I do not mind answering this.

I came to know Jesus Christ one day when I received a Bible tract called, "This Was Your Life." by Jack Chick in 1992. I was working at my job and someone gave it to me and I decided to put it in my pocket to read later on when I got home. After I read the tract, I admitted I was a sinner and called upon Jesus Christ to save me. I then felt like there was a light that turned on within me and I knew I was saved and I wanted to go out and tell everyone about Jesus (So that they could be saved, too).

As for my family upbringing: Jesus was only mentioned around Christmas time (and their were decorations so as to honor him and his name), but I had no clue of the gospel message. At that time, I don't believe I even knew of his death or resurreciton yet.

In the beginning of my faith I was on fire for the Lord and I had a good friend who helped to spread the gospel with me. But in time, I had thought I could serve God and also chase after riches, too. But I discovered it led me down a worldly path, and not the one God has given us within His Word.

In 2010, I renewed my faith in Jesus Christ and decided to be a servant dedicated exclusively to God again. It was around this time, that I also was contacted by a Christian woman half way around the world (Who is my fiance). I know that after I repented of my worldly ways, I was not saved during the time I was backslidden according to my own purposes (even though at the time I was deceived into thinking Jesus was my Savior while I was backslidden). I knew that if were to have died during the time I was backslidden, I would not have been saved. But when I renewed my faith in 2010, is when I truly started to study the Bible on my own. For the Scriptures say study to show yourself approved unto God (2 Timothy 2:15 KJV). So I did not get my teaching from men. I had received my teaching from the Spirit. I worked hard to know what God really was trying to say in His Word to me. Not a truth that I would find comfortable, but the truth that God wanted me to know (Which is plainly written in His Word). So my first teachings were given to me by the Spirit and personal study so as to please God (and not in any way to conform with some popular church or anything).

Thank you for taking the time to answer this helps Blond get to know a little more about you as a person.... Did you start going to church then after you read that tract? Or just continued to read Bible on your own?

 

[JesusLives]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

You could have just said, "I haven't read them."

Anyway, the first two are here, post #150 on this thread. They are not personal.

And the other was simply, regarding your view of the need for total obedience to maintain salvation, "Do you think there is even the remotest possibility that you could be wrong?"

There ya go.

Blond knows she is not Jason but would like to answer that question.....

I will be the first to admit that I don't have or know all the answers from the Bible....I do believe that Jesus has save me and what ever I lack He will make up for or teach me along the way with the Holy Spirit. If someone would take the time to Biblically show me where we differ in beliefs and then allow me to share why I believe that way from the Bible also I could be persuaded to consider something else as truth after studying and praying about it.....

 

[kaylagrl]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

Im not one one coming in whining about everyone coming onto this this thread.
And in all fairness, I cannot help I am still waiting on being beamed out of this wonderful place
And I know it cannot happen soon enough for al off you lovely Holy Spirit led people.

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Well I dont think you and I have spoken here much if at all. So for me wishing for you to leave that wouldnt be true.I think what she was saying is that people are complaining about the OP when they dont have to read the thread if offends them.I dont think she was complaining at all,I think she was talking about other people complaining. So I saw your post to her as rather sarcastic,that is why I said what I said. I dont like to see anyone leave unless they are here to cause strife.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

[ . . . ] I knew I was saved and I wanted to go out and tell everyone about Jesus (So that they could be saved, too). [ . . . ] I know that after I repented of my worldly ways, I was not saved during the time I was backslidden according to my own purposes

I know you didn't reply to me with this post, Jason, but I want to point something out to you. If you can in fact lose your salvation -- I don't believe you can, but the sake of discussion -- the Bible would appear to argue that you cannot be restored.

Hebews 6 NASB
4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.​

Now, I happen to believe this is the core of an reductio ad absurdum, the reduction to an absurdity of the Hebrews' apparent belief that some of them had "lost" their salvation. But if you believe the passage actually supports being able to lose salvation, does it not also say that you cannot be "re-saved"? So how would you explain your own restoration?

 

[phil112]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

I know you didn't reply to me with this post, Jason, but I want to point something out to you. If you can in fact lose your salvation -- I don't believe you can, but the sake of discussion -- the Bible would appear to argue that you cannot be restored.

Hebews 6 NASB
4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.​

Now, I happen to believe this is the core of an reductio ad absurdum, the reduction to an absurdity of the Hebrews' apparent belief that some of them had "lost" their salvation. But if you believe the passage actually supports being able to lose salvation, does it not also say that you cannot be "re-saved"? So how would you explain your own restoration?

By believing such you demonstrate your own lack of understanding of scripture.
Adam Clarke explains it in more depth than I have words for.
Read his commentary. It is accurate on this subject.
Adam Clarke's Bible Commentary - Hebrews 6

 

[Jason0047]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

Does that mean also taking upon ourselves the wrath and judgment rightfully reserved for Him alone?

No. We are to conform to the image of the Son (Romans 8:29). Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; (1 Peter 4:1). He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. (1 John 2:6)

Are you aware that, at His return after the Tribulation, we accompany Him as His "army," but we basically just stand around and watch? Even in acquiring in our heavenly bodies real and true righteousness, we still won't have a say in the judgment.

I believe we are the eagles or the fowl that will eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of captains (Which is mentioned in Revelation and in the Old Testament). Granted, now that does not mean I believe we will be cannibals mind you, but I do believe Christ will destroy all nations that come up against Him with the sword that proceeds from out of his mouth. How the saint gains victory after the enemies of God are incapacited by the Lord is a mystery at this time to me. But I do know a lot about the timing of the events of Revelation and the Olivet discouse, though (if you are interested).

ECT Chronology of Revelation & the Olivet Discourse, etc. - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More
(Please take note that I believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture).

One, Jacob didn't "take on the appearance" of Esau. He lied, pretending to be him. God didn't bless him for the lie. He blessed him despite the lie.

First, nowhere did I ever say that God blessed Jacob because he lied. You are putting those words into my mouth (when I did not say such a thing). Lying according to the 10 Commandments is wrong. Second, I am familar with the story of Jacob and Esau and I am more than aware that his father was blind. What I meant by the word "appearance" is that Jacob took on the appearance (not visibly but in a form of identity) that he was Esau. The word appearance is defined as: "the act or fact of appearing, as to the eye or mind or before the public:"

So Jacob appeared to be Esau to his father Isaac so as to convince him mentally by tricking him with the other senses.

Third, the parallel between Jacob taking on Esau's identity so as to obtain the firstborn blessing from his father Isaac is a parallel of how we as believers are to take on the the identity of the Son so as to obtain the firstborn blessing from God the Father. It is only if we conform to the image of the Son whereby God the Father will passover us. God is not condoning the sin of "lying" in this "type of Christ", but he is merely showing that Jacob was a "Type of Christ" loosely in the fact that Jesus who knew no sin was made to be sin for us.

Two, if we in fact "take on the image of Christ" in exhibiting obedience, they why does He have to impute His righteousness to us? Jesus cleanses us of all unrighteousness by His death, and imputes to us a righteousness we cannot attain. It isn't through obedience, then, but God's grace in granting us faith to believe Christ does all that on our behalf. Obedience comes out of love for Christ because of that grace, not out of a self-generated ability to be obedient. We don't have one.

Why does Christ have to impute His righteousness to us first? Because the slate needs to be wiped clean of sin and we need to be born again and renewed both in our hearts and minds. It is the starting point of a new relationship and beginning with God. But if one sins again, then they will end up just like Adam and Eve did when they ate of the tree (Which caused sin and death to come into the world). Believers have confess and forsake sin and they have to let Christ do the "good work" in their lives. This is not our work, but Christ working in us. It is His righteousness.

"This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you no longer walk as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto licentiousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.But you have not so learned Christ;If so be that you have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:That you put off concerning the former way of life the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;And that you put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.Therefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another.Be angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:Neither give place to the devil." (Ephesians 4:17-27).

 

[Jason0047]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

I know you didn't reply to me with this post, Jason, but I want to point something out to you. If you can in fact lose your salvation -- I don't believe you can, but the sake of discussion -- the Bible would appear to argue that you cannot be restored.

Hebews 6 NASB
4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.​

Now, I happen to believe this is the core of an reductio ad absurdum, the reduction to an absurdity of the Hebrews' apparent belief that some of them had "lost" their salvation. But if you believe the passage actually supports being able to lose salvation, does it not also say that you cannot be "re-saved"? So how would you explain your own restoration?

Hebrews 6:4-6 is not a what if hypothetical scenario. It is a warning to the Jewish Christians who wanted to go back to the Jewish religion to avoid persecution for Jesus. In effect, if they did this it would have been an outright denial of their faith. They would have had to denied the grace of Jesus in doing this. In other words, this was a warning about falling away or a rejection of the faith (i.e. apostizing) and it was not about falling into sin (as some have misunderstood this passage to mean).

In fact, we can know for sure that Hebrews 6:4-6 is not a hypothetical scenario because if you were to read verses 9 and 10, the author of Hebrews says that he was persuaded of better things for the brethren as a means to comfort them of this warning. If this warning was hypothetical then why warn them of such a thing that was not possible in the first place?

The key to understanding the verses on the Bible's teaching of Conditional Salvation is this:

The Law is generally referred to as the Law of Moses in most cases like in Galatians Chapter 3. Paul was trying to warn the Galatians into not going back to the Law of Moses by circumcision.

Romans Chapter 4 = Justification (Initial Salvation)
James Chapter 2 = Sanctification (Present Salvation of God working in you)

It is God that works in the believer if the believer will allow it. So it is God who sanctifies the believer. Works are not self directed and never should be in the mind set that they alone are doing the saving. A believer has to continually go back to God's grace if they fall or sllip up. They also have to believe and trust that it is God's grace alone that saves them, too.

For faith is just the vehicle that helps you to access God's grace. If faith is dead or if it is not a true faith, then it cannot access God's saving grace.

Faith alone does not save you in and of itself apart from God's grace.
Works alone does not save you in and of itself apart from God's grace.

This is what the Bible talks about when it stresses that it is not of works that saves you, but is God that saves you.

It is God that provides salvation 100%.
It was His work on the cross and His ability to dwell in you that saves you 100%.

Anyways, in conclusion Hebrews 6:4-6 is dealing with apostasy or rejection of Jesus as one's Savior after having the Holy Spirit and the gifts by the Spirit (Which cannot be forgiven or repented of).

James 5:19-20 deals with a saved believer restoring a believer who had backslidden in their faith because of sin. The backslidden believer is not saved during his time of sin. This is a parallel of the Prodigal Son. Anyways, the believer backsliding into sin is not a rejection of Jesus as one's Savior, but it is merely sliding back into one's old sinful ways whereby they need to be restored to the saving of their soul and a cleansing of their sin (Whereby a fellow brother or sister can convince them to repent of their sinful ways; Thereby restoring their faith back in the Lord).

 

[psalm6819]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script




hope i did this right

 

[Jason0047]

Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script

With regards to (e), I have trouble with memorization. It was even like that with school. Which is why I do much better on recognition rather than recall. So what does that say in my case?

So you are saying that you cannot remember anything? You cannot quote even one verse from the Bible from memory right now? Well, if that is true, then the more you live and breathe the Word of God, you will come to know it. If you still suffer in recalling verses (despite many years of studying God's Word), the Lord can heal you of this if you ask Him to heal you. It is important that you come to intimately know and quote God's Word. For the Scriptures say we are to hide God's Word within our hearts so that we do not sin against Him. And Jesus quoted Scripture to defeat the devil (when he was being tempted), too.