When does the rapture occur?
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K
Apostle Paul says the man of sin is revealed first before any gathering/resurrection/rapture takes place, and we can see in the word that the man of sin is not revealed tell the mid point of the tribulation. So then the rapture as some have come to call it would have to take place sometime after this point, meaning some time during or at the end of the GT before God's wrath is issued out in the vial/bowl judgments.........
F
What makes you say 'midpoint'?
I see midpoint of 7 years (Daniel 9:24-27).
But I do not see 'midpoint of tribulation.'
In any case, the man of sin, the Prince of the people who will come,
initiates a covenant 'with the many' for 7 years.
There he is revealed even 3 1/2 years Before the tribulation begins.
(Do you know who the man of sin is?)
I see midpoint of 7 years (Daniel 9:24-27).
But I do not see 'midpoint of tribulation.'
In any case, the man of sin, the Prince of the people who will come,
initiates a covenant 'with the many' for 7 years.
There he is revealed even 3 1/2 years Before the tribulation begins.
(Do you know who the man of sin is?)
The Rapture will occur immediately after the man of sin stands in the temple of God.
This can be clearly understood by comparing Mark chapter 13 and Luke chapter 17: 26-36
Mark chapter 13 gives the entire chronology of end time events
Luke chapter 17:26-36 explains the day of the rapture
on comparing these two passages we find Mark 13:15,16 and Luke 17: 31 similar
So Rapture happens immediately after the man of sin stands in the temple of God
The man of sin will stand in the temple of God 3.5 years after confirming the covenant with many
Iran signing the nuclear deal with six P5+1 countries may be the covenant if the length of the deal works out to seven years
At present in the framework deal signed on April 2 it is ten years. But Iran is insisting on lesser number of years.
This can be clearly understood by comparing Mark chapter 13 and Luke chapter 17: 26-36
Mark chapter 13 gives the entire chronology of end time events
Luke chapter 17:26-36 explains the day of the rapture
on comparing these two passages we find Mark 13:15,16 and Luke 17: 31 similar
So Rapture happens immediately after the man of sin stands in the temple of God
The man of sin will stand in the temple of God 3.5 years after confirming the covenant with many
Iran signing the nuclear deal with six P5+1 countries may be the covenant if the length of the deal works out to seven years
At present in the framework deal signed on April 2 it is ten years. But Iran is insisting on lesser number of years.
Hello mwc 68, thank you for your comment.
Actually, I was answering the original extinction thar was "When does the rapture occur?"
Our friend was correct in that it is once, but that was not the question.
As it happens, it has already occurred, when the Michael Prince of the Sanctuary stood up (Daniel 12:1) at the end of the Appointed Times of the Nations in 1914 C.E. when there was war in heaven and World War on the earth, brining tribulation to the nations.
It was then that the "Little Flock" whom Jesus had chosen, were raised up as a new creation of immortal spirit creatures (1 Corinthians 49-54; 2 Corinthians 5
to join him in the air and cast Satan out of heaven. (Revelation 12:7-12)
Alexander
Actually, I was answering the original extinction thar was "When does the rapture occur?"
Our friend was correct in that it is once, but that was not the question.
As it happens, it has already occurred, when the Michael Prince of the Sanctuary stood up (Daniel 12:1) at the end of the Appointed Times of the Nations in 1914 C.E. when there was war in heaven and World War on the earth, brining tribulation to the nations.
It was then that the "Little Flock" whom Jesus had chosen, were raised up as a new creation of immortal spirit creatures (1 Corinthians 49-54; 2 Corinthians 5
to join him in the air and cast Satan out of heaven. (Revelation 12:7-12)Alexander
Hello mwc 68, thank you for your comment.
Actually, I was answering the original extinction thar was "When does the rapture occur?"
Our friend was correct in that it is once, but that was not the question.
As it happens, it has already occurred, when the Michael Prince of the Sanctuary stood up (Daniel 12:1) at the end of the Appointed Times of the Nations in 1914 C.E. when there was war in heaven and World War on the earth, brining tribulation to the nations.
It was then that the "Little Flock" whom Jesus had chosen, were raised up as a new creation of immortal spirit creatures (1 Corinthians 49-54; 2 Corinthians 5 to join him in the air and cast Satan out of heaven. (Revelation 12:7-12)
Alexander
Actually, I was answering the original extinction thar was "When does the rapture occur?"
Our friend was correct in that it is once, but that was not the question.
As it happens, it has already occurred, when the Michael Prince of the Sanctuary stood up (Daniel 12:1) at the end of the Appointed Times of the Nations in 1914 C.E. when there was war in heaven and World War on the earth, brining tribulation to the nations.
It was then that the "Little Flock" whom Jesus had chosen, were raised up as a new creation of immortal spirit creatures (1 Corinthians 49-54; 2 Corinthians 5
to join him in the air and cast Satan out of heaven. (Revelation 12:7-12)Alexander
F
What is 'come invisibly'? You mean as a Thief? How does that fit in?
The Angels gathering His elect---I understand refers to Israel, Jews. Who are not all in Israel.
The Wheat and Tares parable was instruction to His apostles. Not to try to uproot and remove Tares, growing in the same field as the wheat. For fear that they would harm the wheat also. (Not to mention the heresy itself, of criminalizing heresy.) But to leave the matter to the Lord Himself. Directly. Many 'Christian' groups have done just the opposite in the last 2000 years. With crusades, inquisitions, wars etc, against who they label as 'tares.' But regardless: yes, of course, His harvesting takes place at the end. I may agree with you in many respects: the raptures (I pluralize) take place at His return. As part of His return.
As integral parts of His return. Why? Because, this time, Jesus Christ comes back to earth not alone : )
The Angels gathering His elect---I understand refers to Israel, Jews. Who are not all in Israel.
The Wheat and Tares parable was instruction to His apostles. Not to try to uproot and remove Tares, growing in the same field as the wheat. For fear that they would harm the wheat also. (Not to mention the heresy itself, of criminalizing heresy.) But to leave the matter to the Lord Himself. Directly. Many 'Christian' groups have done just the opposite in the last 2000 years. With crusades, inquisitions, wars etc, against who they label as 'tares.' But regardless: yes, of course, His harvesting takes place at the end. I may agree with you in many respects: the raptures (I pluralize) take place at His return. As part of His return.
As integral parts of His return. Why? Because, this time, Jesus Christ comes back to earth not alone : )
K
Nowhere does it say he is revealed 3 1/2 years before the tribulation begins.
The bible shows a 7 year period called the tribulation, and the final 3 1/2 years of it is called the Great Tribulation. This final 3 1/2 years starts when the man of sin reveals himself by standing in the temple claiming to be God. This is the point where Jesus tells the Jews in Judea when they see this to flee to the mountains, and that is because this is when the man of sin starts persecuting and killing Jews and Christians.....
The first 3 1/2 years is of the covenant/treaty he signs and brings in a false peace so that the temple can be rebuilt and the animal sacrifices can resume. Nobody knows who the man of sin is right now for he has not revealed himself yet. The only thing we can do is recognize who is walking in the spirit of the antichrist, which is different then the man end times figure that will come.
P
TWICE HE ESCAPED;
1)13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
2)22 But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee:
23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.
HAS TO DO WITH PURPOSE!!!
Pretrib owns this dimension ..............and all the others.
1)13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
2)22 But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee:
23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.
HAS TO DO WITH PURPOSE!!!
Pretrib owns this dimension ..............and all the others.