Young Earth Creation. Does it matter what you believe?

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Bowman said:
Every person involved in your Neanderthal link maintains that they are tens of thousands of years old, minimum.

Thus...if you think that you are part Neanderthal, then you must likewise accept the age that comes part and parcel with the so-called discovery.

Otherwise...another epic fail on your part...
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An epic fail and intellectually dishonest.

YECs repeatedly do this.

They will take a tidbit out of a scientific journal and promote it if they believe it somehow possibly confirms their 6,000-year worldview. They discount much stronger scientific evidence from the same research paper if it contradicts their 6,000-year worldview.
 
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" Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female."

TinTin and Flob know that an ark of the size given could never, ever house that number of each species on the planet (along with their food for nearly a year)
So they share this lovely Creationist squirm based on "types".

You know, two (juvenile?) little domestic cats - which have since produced
lions, tigers, the jaguar and the leopard, the panther and the cougar, lynxes and ocelots, the snow leopard and the cheetah etc etc etc etc spread all over the globe -
plus of course, all the prehistoric ones of which fossils have been found.

Or were those two ark cats actually big beasties from which domestic cats have sort of bred downwards ?
Either way, it's a magnificent example of EVOLUTION in 5000 or so years.

Hmmm - wonder what them moggies ate in all that time. Must have wiped out forever a whole pile of birds, reptiles, rodents and other furry little critters.

Now tell me about the sparrows producing the emu, the ostrich, the pelican, the eagle and the albatross ........

"Kinds" - twaddle.

 
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The Mechanics of Evolution?

Quantum Mechanics
Random Chance
Natural Processes
Natural Selection
Mutations
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All of the above.

And all the Creationists are right - Evolution is a theory - but a theory based on accumulating evidence.
Some indisputable facts for sure - but it does not pretend to have all the answers.
That's what science does ... the ongoing search for truth.

As opposed to the Creationist who stands on the mountain top and yells "I have found THE TRUTH"
based on anonymous writings by primitive, illiterate, superstitious tribesmen many, many centuries ago.

One side says "I'm willing to learn - let's research and see what we find"
The other says " I already know the truth, those ancient scribes have told me and I will listen to nothing else".


Seek to be happy ..... believe
Seek the truth ........... doubt
 
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It's not an example of evolution, but an example of natural selection and speciation.
 
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Tintin said:
It's not an example of evolution, but an example of natural selection and speciation.
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So what are you saying, TinTin - that every feline on this planet arose from one pair of domestic cats by "natural selection and speciation" ?
Or that the two Ark-riders were Big Cats which have since produced little cats by that same means .

A rose by any other name .... that's EVOLUTION.

Just imagine when we start on BIRDS !
 
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So what are you saying, TinTin - that every feline on this planet arose from one pair of domestic cats by "natural selection and speciation" ?
Or that the two Ark-riders were Big Cats which have since produced little cats by that same means .

A rose by any other name .... that's EVOLUTION.

Just imagine when we start on BIRDS !
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No, there may have been more than one cat-kind, but certainly not ever cat species needed to be on board the ark. You can't misappropriate the terms 'natural selection' and 'speciation' for evolution, when under that banner they mean something very different. It's like the term 'tolerance'. It's changed it's meaning over time to pretty much the complete opposite of what it once was. Evolution is molecules to man, not something like a cat-kind leading to another cat-kind.
 
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As opposed to the Creationist who stands on the mountain top and yells "I have found THE TRUTH"
based on anonymous writings by primitive, illiterate, superstitious tribesmen many, many centuries ago.
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Thomas said to Him, Lord, we don't know where You are going, how can we know the way?
Jesus said to him, I am the way and the reality and the life
 
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Pumicestone said:
All of the above.

And all the Creationists are right - Evolution is a theory - but a theory based on accumulating evidence.
Some indisputable facts for sure - but it does not pretend to have all the answers.
That's what science does ... the ongoing search for truth.

As opposed to the Creationist who stands on the mountain top and yells "I have found THE TRUTH"
based on anonymous writings by primitive, illiterate, superstitious tribesmen many, many centuries ago.

One side says "I'm willing to learn - let's research and see what we find"
The other says " I already know the truth, those ancient scribes have told me and I will listen to nothing else".

Seek to be happy ..... believe
Seek the truth ........... doubt
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Ridiculous! Who did you steal that unoriginal zinger from? Richard Dork-ins? Carl Sago? Kneel Tie-son?
The books of the Bible aren't anonymous writings. They're not written by primitive, illiterate, superstitious tribesman (how does that exactly work?) You're right that they written many, many years ago. Although, centuries is wrong.

Learn to think critically and to not talk crap about something you know jack all about. Hope you enjoy your high priests of science.

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Tintin said:
No, there may have been more than one cat-kind, but certainly not ever cat species needed to be on board the ark.
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How many animals, exactly, do you say were on the ark?

And what is your theory on waste management?

You know, to deal with all that you know what all those animals produced?
 
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Pumicestone said:
As opposed to the Creationist who stands on the mountain top and yells "I have found THE TRUTH"
based on anonymous writings by primitive, illiterate, superstitious tribesmen many, many centuries ago.
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Not that I'm a young earth creationist by any stretch here, but if someone is "writing," then it seems that by definition they aren't primitive or illiterate.
 
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Not that I'm a young earth creationist by any stretch here, but if someone is "writing," then it seems that by definition they aren't primitive or illiterate.
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Right. To be illiterate, means one is unable to read and write.

We read from early on in Genesis, that Adam was a farmer, as were two of his children, Cain and Abel. Cain built the first city. Lamech the first polygamist (no, not Noah's dad) had three important sons - Jabal, Jubal and Tubal-Cain. Jabal invented animal husbandry, Jubal invented musical instruments and Tubal-Cain invented metallurgy. All that within the first 7 generations following Creation! (that's probably in the first few hundred years, or even less - depending on how long a generation was back then).
 
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Right. To be illiterate, means one is unable to read and write.

We read from early on in Genesis, that Adam was a farmer,
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you mean he struggled to find food from the ground?

as were two of his children, Cain and Abel.
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hardly sophisticated farmers? one kept an eye on some sheep and didn't keep an eye on his brother. the other gathered a few plants from among weeds and had an eye on his brother.

Cain built the first city.
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Hmm was this for a 100 or so non-Adamists? Or had all the family joined him?

Lamech the first polygamist
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what proof have you of that?

(no, not Noah's dad) had three important sons - Jabal, Jubal and Tubal-Cain. Jabal invented animal husbandry,
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I thought Abel looked after small cattle? and surely most of those alive dwelt in tents. or were they in caves? but anyway it says he was the father of them. not that he did it.

Jubal invented musical instruments
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no it says musicians were descended from him.

and Tubal-Cain invented metallurgy.
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made metal tools out of meteor iron?

All that within the first 7 generations following Creation! (that's probably in the first few hundred years, or even less - depending on how long a generation was back then).
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assuming the genealogy is complete. -- what a coincidence that the hero was SEVENTH.

Methinks you overpaint the picture :)
 
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Two halves make a whole, creation/evolution peanut butter/jelly with milk of coarse.
 
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Tintin said:
No, there may have been more than one cat-kind, but certainly not ever cat species needed to be on board the ark. You can't misappropriate the terms 'natural selection' and 'speciation' for evolution, when under that banner they mean something very different. It's like the term 'tolerance'. It's changed it's meaning over time to pretty much the complete opposite of what it once was. Evolution is molecules to man, not something like a cat-kind leading to another cat-kind.
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YEp,and I will add that the separation of the species means they need what? thousands of impossible "evolutions" happening simultaneously?

IOW the thousands of different birds would all have the same common ancestry,eliminating the separations. Evolution fall flat on it's face over,and over.
 
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Not that I'm a young earth creationist by any stretch here, but if someone is "writing," then it seems that by definition they aren't primitive or illiterate.
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How in the world does pumice stone insult the word of God and remain on this board?????????
 
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you mean he struggled to find food from the ground?



hardly sophisticated farmers? one kept an eye on some sheep and didn't keep an eye on his brother. the other gathered a few plants from among weeds and had an eye on his brother.



Hmm was this for a 100 or so non-Adamists? Or had all the family joined him?



what proof have you of that?



I thought Abel looked after small cattle? and surely most of those alive dwelt in tents. or were they in caves? but anyway it says he was the father of them. not that he did it.



no it says musicians were descended from him.



made metal tools out of meteor iron?



assuming the genealogy is complete. -- what a coincidence that the hero was SEVENTH.

Methinks you overpaint the picture :)
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You clearly have no respect for the early chapters of Genesis. I'm done.
 
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