Attack on the Confederate Flag?

[Desdichado]

the south being tied to nazi, racism, hatred, etc has always bothered me. i always thought blacks and whites got along fine here. my family is mostly white, i had an Apache grandfather and an Italian grandmother (i know some whites joke that Italians are just barely white) but my moms still very white, blond and blue eye white. my native ancestors got along fine with everyone and my white family never thought different of blacks, and the Italians just sat around eating and watching Seria A football.

That's my experience as well. The most racially "advanced" states I have known are in the South. It's interesting to see the course history has taken in that regard. The states with the most overt racist history have more or less atoned for their sins and have a social situation in which black and white work together, live together, and come together during times of tragedy.

The North's brand of racism is more institutionalized and insidious. Sure, the rhetoric is grand, but northern cities are highly segregated compared with their southern counterparts. Black communities feel more alienated and slighted (because they are). So when an injustice (real or otherwise) is perceived, it turns into a powder keg. Mark my words- Baltimore isn't finished.

The South has its kinks. I think our country was better off with a Union victory, but the Southern character should not be stamped away and that battle flag is a part of their character.

It also serves to remind all Americans of national heroes worth emulating in their level of honor, skill, and love of country. Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, James Longstreet, Jubal Early, etc.

 

[crossnote]

There were many Confederate generals who admitted to the fact that they were fighting for their right to own slaves. The designer of the Confederate flag also admitted that this flag was specifically created to promote white supremacy

Sources???

 

[jennymae]

That's my experience as well. The most racially "advanced" states I have known are in the South. It's interesting to see the course history has taken in that regard. The states with the most overt racist history have more or less atoned for their sins and have a social situation in which black and white work together, live together, and come together during times of tragedy.

The North's brand of racism is more institutionalized and insidious. Sure, the rhetoric is grand, but northern cities are highly segregated compared with their southern counterparts. Black communities feel more alienated and slighted (because they are). So when an injustice (real or otherwise) is perceived, it turns into a powder keg. Mark my words- Baltimore isn't finished.

The South has its kinks. I think our country was better off with a Union victory, but the Southern character should not be stamped away and that battle flag is a part of their character.

It also serves to remind all Americans of national heroes worth emulating in their level of honor, skill, and love of country. Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, James Longstreet, Jubal Early, etc.

I like your avatar.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

There were many Confederate generals who admitted to the fact that they were fighting for their right to own slaves. The designer of the Confederate flag also admitted that this flag was specifically created to promote white supremacy

Sources???

Don't expect a rational reply. His statements lack a factual basis.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Well here in Missouri we were always made fun of by others trying to say we don't know how to spell or say our state's name, just because we use the abbreviated form of MIZZOU !!!

YES!!

And we spell it out loud at every football game, just to emphasize how right we are!

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Hey phil, I AM firmly aligned with Creator God and His son Jesus Christ and NOTHING YOU SAY WILL EVER CHANGE THAT FACT.

Wrongly calling me a racist for sharing a statistical demographical fact won't do it. All that reveals is that you're an ignorant person who lacks Christ's character and runs around slandering other people. Look in the mirror pal. You're not a good person.

I get the ad hominem all the time from ignorant people like you who lack Christ's character. You can take a number and get in line.

before the post was edited that is...........................

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Desdichado posts the most interesting avatars of anyone at CC imo.

I like your avatar.

 

[phil38111]

Hey phil, I AM firmly aligned with Creator God and His son Jesus Christ and NOTHING YOU SAY WILL EVER CHANGE THAT FACT.

Wrongly calling me a racist for sharing a statistical demographical fact won't do it. All that reveals is that you're an ignorant person who lacks Christ's character and runs around slandering other people. Look in the mirror pal. You're not a good person.

I get the ad hominem all the time from ignorant people like you who lack Christ's character. You can take a number and get in line.

What statistical demographical fact??? I told you to post 3 RECENT killings black on white for the color of their skin and all you could post was stuff from almost 50 years ago, and then a white supremacist web site. Now I know you well enough to know that if I posted something from an unreliable source like a white supremacist web site to prove a point, then you would be all over me for posting from unreliable sources. Yet you do it. And I'm supposed to accept it?

 

[flob]

That flag is garbage and treason, it should've been outlawed in 1865

 

[phil38111]

Hey phil, I AM firmly aligned with Creator God and His son Jesus Christ and NOTHING YOU SAY WILL EVER CHANGE THAT FACT.

Wrongly calling me a racist for sharing a statistical demographical fact won't do it. All that reveals is that you're an ignorant person who lacks Christ's character and runs around slandering other people. Look in the mirror pal. You're not a good person.

I get the ad hominem all the time from ignorant people like you who lack Christ's character. You can take a number and get in line.

I didn't come here to win an argument with anyone here anyways. I deliberately just dropped in to expose the white supremacists in the Christian News Forum for what they are. I think I did a dang good job of it too if you ask me. Arguing with you is like a pit bull fighting a chijuajuah. You study and research from FOx News and white supremacist web sites all day to prepare yoursel for these debates. I don't study ways to argue my anti racist points. So it's really not a fair fight. Although I do know of people who could eat you alive if you got into a debate with them. But let's examine what you said................

Now tell me. Did you not say there was going to be race war? Did you not say that the hispanics were going to side with the whites. The liberal were going to side with the blacks, but they will be killed off by their own. And the blacks will lose because their highly outnumbered? This is a common white supremacist belief.

Did you not edit your post after I said who thinks like that but white suprmacists???

Yes you did. Why? Because you realized you were EXPOSING YOURSELF.

If you had nothing to hide you would not have went back and changed your post, after I replied to your comment.

I think I'm done here anyways. Your probably won't see me here in this forum too much anymore. Mission accomplished.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I didn't come here to win an argument with anyone here anyways. I deliberately just dropped in to expose the white supremacists in the Christian News Forum for what they are. I think I did a dang good job of it too if you ask me.

Perhaps you should think again? Maybe you've exposed something, but it wasn't white supremacists.

Making an assertion and being able to substantiate it are two completely different things. Let me show you how this works. Pink unicorns eat purple cheese and poop rainbows. There, now that's an assertion. The tricky part, of course, is being able to prove it.

You've done exactly the same thing I did with my pink unicorn assertion. You made an assertion and proved nothing. Now Vigilant Warrior, on the other hand, made an argument and substantiated it with reputable sources.

Unfortunately for you, his properly sourced argument refutes your unsourced assertion.

Please make a note of this so you won't just be posting your feelings and faulty best thinking in the future which is a waste of everyone's time to even bother reading.

It's amazing the allegations and hyperbole that gets passed off around here as fact. People can't seem to let facts get in the way of their dearly held prejudices and bigotry. Instead, they use those words to describe the people who actually know the facts.

 

[phil38111]

Perhaps you should think again? Maybe you've exposed something, but it wasn't white supremacists.

I expect these kinds of replies. I am highly outnumbered in this forum anyway. Good day sir.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I expect these kinds of replies. I am highly outnumbered in this forum anyway. Good day sir.

When you come up with actual facts -- as did I in this post, #36 on the thread -- perhaps you'll be able to say something besides a contrived personal affront.

I've been pushing for civility, peace, and as much unity as we as brothers and sisters in Christ can appropriate when on this forum, but when someone comes on out of nowhere, doesn't post for months and then suddenly shows up in the midst of controversial discussions only to provide nothing by lies, hyperbole, and false accusations, I'm probably going to call a spade a spade. Like I just did here.

 

[phil38111]

What statistical demographical fact??? I told you to post 3 RECENT killings black on white for the color of their skin and all you could post was stuff from almost 50 years ago, and then a white supremacist web site. Now I know you well enough to know that if I posted something from an unreliable source like a white supremacist web site to prove a point, then you would be all over me for posting from unreliable sources. Yet you do it. And I'm supposed to accept it?

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[phil38111]

Yes facts. Lets examine facts people are bringing up. Like, White people are waking up. And there is going to be a race war. And the blacks are going to get killed off. Thats quite a fact.

Im done here have a good day.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Yes facts. Lets examine facts people are bringing up. Like, White people are waking up. And there is going to be a race war. And the blacks are going to get killed off. Thats quite a fact.

No one made that claim. No one made that claim and then edited the post to eliminate it. You're the only one who has said such things, in making claims others have said them.

You're not much for factual discussion, are you?

 

[phil38111]

No one made that claim. No one made that claim and then edited the post to eliminate it. You're the only one who has said such things, in making claims others have said them.

You're not much for factual discussion, are you?

Yes thats all you have left to do. Deny it. But he said it. I saw it with my own eyes.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Yes thats all you have left to do. Deny it. But he said it. I saw it with my own eyes.

And you were the only one. That's all you have left. How convenient. And I thought you left for the day?

 

[phil38111]

And you were the only one. That's all you have left. How convenient. And I thought you left for the day?

Well, one of us is a LIAR. I'd hope my fellow CC friends that I chat with would know my character better than that. Although I doubt they come in here. Well, have a good day sir, GOd bless.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You're screeding nonsense as usual. The relevant statistical demographical facts were posted in that thread by me including the following:

"The President Obama and Eric Holder (attorney general) controlled U.S. Department of Justice published in their 'Criminal Victimization in the United States, 2008' report that of the 520,000 black/white interracial crimes of violence attempted and committed in 2008: blacks committed 83 percent–429,000–of them.

And given that the DOJ lumps most Hispanics in with whites, when Hispanics were separated out, it meant that a black (blacks were 12.9 percent of the population) was 29.4 times more likely to commit violence against a “white” (79.8 percent of the population) than the other way around."

Source: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus08.pdf

^ There it is right in Obama and Holder's own Department of Justice report.

If you can find a way to bring your highly sensitized emotional state under control, at least to the point of not screaming vicious slanderous things at everyone and everything around you, we can have a discussion.

If not, then I'm going to start reporting you for the name calling and the mischaracterizations because the personality disorder you're exhibiting in which you engage in wild false accusations and the propagation of misinformation does violate the forum's rules.

And this website White Girl Bleed a Lot, Knockout Game, black on white crime. - And how the media ignore black mob violence. is NOT a "white supremacist website." That's a complete lie in a pitiful attempt to discredit the facts being shared there. Thomas Sowell praised it as did many other black conservatives who want to see the black on white crime phenomena presently occurring in the U.S. honestly addressed and brought to an end.

Call me a racist one more time and you're going on the carpet before the mods for the consistently crazy, slanderous, mischaracterizations you're engaging in that are not acceptable here.

What statistical demographical fact??? I told you to post 3 RECENT killings black on white for the color of their skin and all you could post was stuff from almost 50 years ago, and then a white supremacist web site. Now I know you well enough to know that if I posted something from an unreliable source like a white supremacist web site to prove a point, then you would be all over me for posting from unreliable sources. Yet you do it. And I'm supposed to accept it?