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I feel like I walked into a room proclaiming how amazing God is for the accuracy of His word and spontaneously a full on bar fight breaks out about the Jews. Now I'm just standing there speechless and shocked. I then say, "No,no! you don't get it, I'm just praising God here." Then I start getting beer bottles thrown at me, because somehow my statement meant that I was a Jewish sympathizer (Which isn't a bad thing because God seeks the lost, whoever they may be).
I feel like I would get more understanding from a rock than some Christians.
At least this is a confirmation to me for having fellowship in my house rather than going officially to Church. I don't think I could ever handle it again if it is anything like this.
I feel like I would get more understanding from a rock than some Christians.
At least this is a confirmation to me for having fellowship in my house rather than going officially to Church. I don't think I could ever handle it again if it is anything like this.
Again, your interpretation of Romans 9:11 is a contradiction of Hebrews, James, 1 Peter, Acts and scores of other references, those which describe the first century church in an Israelitish context. The Jews, the people you think were all Israel, were not, they were only a small portion of the millions of Israelites in existence at that time. The bottom line, and what you do not comprehend, is that Romans 9:11 is not a contradiction of Hebrews, James, 1 Peter, Acts and scores of other references, those which tell us that most Israelites accepted Jesus and the New Covenant. I've repeatedly asked that reconcile your "synagogue of Satan" (Rev. 2:9; 3:9) type idea of Israel with the Christian Israel so clearly described in the aforementioned writings. Below is the context in which James describes and locates the house of Israel and the house of Judah (all twelve tribes) in AD 45.
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. James 1:1
James was not writing to some spiritual only Israel (Replacement Theology), he was writing to literal genetic Israel, and he does not identify them as a non-Christian people. Read James if you have not done so. It does not describe literal genetic Israel as a people who rejected Jesus and the New Covenant. Today's religious establishment does but James does not. If James were alive and among us today he would not instruct us to identify Israel as does the religious establishment. They tell us that, "because Israel rejected Jesus" (a lie), a nation of neo-Pharisees is Israel, and to be supported therefore, by America, lest God curse us. This falls into the category of "the leaven of the Pharisees" that which Jesus said to beware of.
Who, obviously, is the prime beneficiary of the false "Israel rejected Jesus" teaching if not today's Pharisees, if not very people Christians have been duped into supporting as, "Israel"? Do you get it (probably not)?
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I have never heard anything as "stupid" as "British Israelites". How can anyone think that the Jews could ever become the blond haired whited skinned Europeans Ger,Eng, Scot. men ?? So many millions of Jews kept their Jewishness in 1940's that Hitler could isolate them and killed them. This predicting prophecy by math is crazy. 1948 was never predicted in the Bible. We know that some of every Jewish, 12, tribes were Christians in James book; But to assume all were Chriatians is to be ignorant of the content of James. Obvious, many had a false"Faith Only" christianity. The 12 tribes are mentioned in book of Revelation. "Replacement Theo." is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. NOW! This is MY opinion, after studying the Bible for 53 yrs.; And no twisting of Scriptures will change me. this has been going on for centuries, to get people christianized on the outside but still pagan on the inside. The Rom. Cath.s and protestants have done this thru out history. Most evangelism today is producing false christians who will be left behind at the rapture. We must learn to distinguish between true and false christians, "by their fruits you will know them" AND, "not all (physical) Israel are (spiritual) Israel" "Jacob" is the man Jacob as opposed to "Esau" his brother. Jews have always been in Israel's land, Palistine, But the turning point for prophecy was 1948. We are the "last gen". of Mt. 24. Israel ,as a nation will be converted at Jesus' 2nd, coming. The Jews as a whole,or as a nation, have never accepted Jesus. Only the "elect" accepted Jesus ,the rest were blinded. Only by the power of God is any sinner saved. the new birth is by God's will, not man's will. JH. 1:13 love to all, Hoffco
For the record...I am a Gentile by physical birth and of the seed and stock of Abraham by faith (Galatians) as there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ. Having said that I also want to say that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (surnamed Israel) by God is the one true God. I wish also to say the following....
1. I love the Jewish people and the Nation of Israel
2. I pray daily for Israel and the people of Israel
3. I would lay my life down for a Jew<----ONE laid his life down for me
4. If I was not married with a child I would move to Israel and join the I.D.F. and go down defending Israel.
5 May the God of Heaven cause His face to shine down upon His people and may He bless them from heaven and may His peace come to His city and may the ashes of the enemies of Israel fall under their feet!
1. I love the Jewish people and the Nation of Israel
2. I pray daily for Israel and the people of Israel
3. I would lay my life down for a Jew<----ONE laid his life down for me
4. If I was not married with a child I would move to Israel and join the I.D.F. and go down defending Israel.
5 May the God of Heaven cause His face to shine down upon His people and may He bless them from heaven and may His peace come to His city and may the ashes of the enemies of Israel fall under their feet!
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The concept of Israel being a Nation is a political one. The modern state called Israel actually covers the area known in the time of Jesus as Judea and Samaria. Jesus told his Disciples they would be witnesses in Judea and Samaria not Israel. The only time he mentions Israel is when he heals the Centurians Servant and as Israel did not at that time exist as a country he could not have been speaking about a Country but about a people. In the Bible it is the people themselves that are called the children of Israel,or Israelites. They are the descendants of Jacob who was renamed Israel. The place they lived was called the promised land, or Caanan. When they split into two groups after the death of Soloman the land was divided into two entities called Judea and Samaria, or sometimes Ephraim. During most of the past centuries the area now named Israel was called the Holy Land.
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The Bible says nothing about present day Israel. But there are things to consider that it does say about Jews and Christians. Paul said there are neither Jew nor Gentle ,Male or Female,Slave or free but we are all one in Christ Jesus.
It also says that no man can come to the Father except through Jesus Christ. I take that at face value. Where it says no man it means just that without exception.. Like Paul I pray that the Jews are saved but at present most are still lost. That is the plain unvarnished truth which certain sections of the Christian community prefer to ignore.
It also says that no man can come to the Father except through Jesus Christ. I take that at face value. Where it says no man it means just that without exception.. Like Paul I pray that the Jews are saved but at present most are still lost. That is the plain unvarnished truth which certain sections of the Christian community prefer to ignore.
In Christ there is neither etc., but most Jews right now are outside Christ and there there is Jew and Gentile and God has plenty of unfulfilled prophecies in store for them.
You're not going to argue there is neither male or female are you, where Paul makes the distinction plenty of times and I hope you do to?
You're not going to argue there is neither male or female are you, where Paul makes the distinction plenty of times and I hope you do to?
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Paul was talking about how we are all one spiritualy as parts of the body of Christ. As for Gods plan for the Jewish people
the Bible says that in the last days a remnant will be saved. What it doesnt say is that because someone happens to be Jewish they are exempted form having to come to Christ for salvation. Many Christians appear to have this idea. John the baptist said that God could turn stones into the Sons of Abraham. Paul said a true Jew is someone who is one in their heart not in their flesh.
the Bible says that in the last days a remnant will be saved. What it doesnt say is that because someone happens to be Jewish they are exempted form having to come to Christ for salvation. Many Christians appear to have this idea. John the baptist said that God could turn stones into the Sons of Abraham. Paul said a true Jew is someone who is one in their heart not in their flesh.
Really? I think the Bible reveals you are wrong.
26 If therefore the uncircumcision keep the ordinances of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be reckoned for circumcision?
27 and shall not the uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who with the letter and circumcision art a transgressor of the law?
28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh:
29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
It seems clear from this that Paul saw the uncircumcised who observed God's instruction as 'circumcised', and thus as a Jew because he was circumcised in heart, and that that circumcision of heart indicated a true Jew. Paul is clearly arguing that the uncircumcised who observe God's instruction has become circumcised in heart and thus a true Jew.
His whole argument is that that is how an uncircumcised man can become a true Jew. His uncircumcision is reckoned as circumcision, and that clearly a circumcision of heart which identifies a true Jew
otherwise why bring the uncircumcision in t all?
26 If therefore the uncircumcision keep the ordinances of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be reckoned for circumcision?
27 and shall not the uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who with the letter and circumcision art a transgressor of the law?
28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh:
29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
It seems clear from this that Paul saw the uncircumcised who observed God's instruction as 'circumcised', and thus as a Jew because he was circumcised in heart, and that that circumcision of heart indicated a true Jew. Paul is clearly arguing that the uncircumcised who observe God's instruction has become circumcised in heart and thus a true Jew.
His whole argument is that that is how an uncircumcised man can become a true Jew. His uncircumcision is reckoned as circumcision, and that clearly a circumcision of heart which identifies a true Jew
otherwise why bring the uncircumcision in t all?
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