Grace: A License to Sin (FALSE!)

[KennethC]

I think you may be missing SO much in this parable.

To me, it shows the love of the Father even when we "halfheartedly" move toward Him.. He does not insist upon some perfect performance to qualify us for His love.... We already HAVE that long before we even begin to think about simply being "churchy"..... which is where many of us DO reside when we first move toward Jesus.

But once again you are only speaking on the coming to the Lord when we first start believing in Him.

We all have sinned and fallen short when we first come to Him and are undeserving of that grace He shows to us, but once we put our faith and trust in Him we are to be obedient to His teachings because our love for Him will guide us to do such. That love also will guide us to not do and treat others wrong, and the Holy Spirit was sent to us to strengthen us where we are weak.

The bible does not say a person can continue to walk as they previously walked in that old sin nature of ours.
We are to walk by the Spirit and those fruits that come from the Spirit will reflect in our actions and speech, and Apostle James says a born again believer will be full of those fruits;

James 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

The Lord Jesus will always be there looking for us and calling us back when we faulter and walk away from Him by giving into our lusts. We have the choice to choose to come back or not, and a doctrine that teaches we do not have free will to choose is not biblical.............For God Himself said He gives us the choice to choose eternal life or eternal death (Joshua 24:15).

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Originally Posted by peacefulbeliever

Yes, as stated earlier some are easier to overcome than others. Jesus was manifested to destroy the works of the devil - are the works of the devil destroyed? or Will he be totally destroyed in the end?

Jesus was manifested to destroy the works of the devil in your life, too. The Bible says sin shall not have dominion over you. Meaning, it is not going to control you whatsoever.

So you are saying you have stopped sinning those types of sins that Paul list several times in the New Testament (Whereby doing such things will cause one to not inherit the Kingdom of God)? Congratulations and praise be unto the Lord if you have done so.

As for your question: Lately, I have been really busy, so I did not have time to read and reply to everyone's post. But just to let you know typing in a different colored font in large paragraphs does make it more difficult to read (whereby I would choose to read it later if I have time). I only use color to emphasize sometimes what is being said in the Bible or to emphasize a topic title or heading.

Anyways, ask me your question.

To make it easy for you - The question is in the first quote. . . . your response to that questions is in the second post . . . hardly a large paragraph, or hard to read.

I do not LIVE in sin . . . sin does NOT DOMINATE my life. Do I sin? I would say occasionally.

I have always done my post in green - just a thing, I guess. At least it is not multicolored like some I have seen - When you see the green that is my post . . . easy peasy!




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[KennethC]

No. As our other friend misunderstands here, this is what the passage actually says,

James 3:2 KJV
For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

It says offend and not stumble.

Offending another is a sin Jason, and any time you are offending another person you are stumbling in your own faith because you are misusing how the word is to be applied.

It is a warning about not all should be teachers because if they offend others in their approach they are misusing the word of God.....

 

[Jason0047]

FINALLY! One thing you and I agree on. However "dominion" and influence and desirability aren't the same thing.

Dominion is complete control over. I can see from your pic that you are not shy at the dinner table. So, right here, we know that although you may not binge and eat three meals at a sitting, you are STILL pulled by a desire to overdo it at supper. If I were like a lot of people here, looking for "sins" to label people with, I would have to find the "gluttony" card to hand you. Yet, you say this absolutely doesn't happen in your life.

I think it is time to rethink a little.... or at least open your eyes wider.

Jesus says judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment. For one, I am not excessively overweight in the picture or even now. Gluttony is when eating consumes your life, health, and well being. Also, I do not have a noticable pot belly (Which would classify someone as being fat). So you are judging wrongfully.

 

[psalm6819]

This again all depends on what law you are speaking of;

Mosaic Laws (613 written ordinances)

or

Gods Moral Laws (law of liberty)

which of these was "carved in stone"?

which is referred to as the "ministration of death"?

which of these did Christ fulfill for us?

 

[Jason0047]

Offending another is a sin Jason, and any time you are offending another person you are stumbling in your own faith because you are misusing how the word is to be applied.

It is a warning about not all should be teachers because if they offend others in their approach they are misusing the word of God.....

It is not a sin unto death to offend in many cases. You may eat meat in front of others without realizing it offends some people. But that does not mean it is a sin unto death. Yes, we are to be perfect in our words. For our words can set on fire and destroy or they can lead people to repentance or they can uplift and love others.

But you have to realize that there is a difference in being offensive in our liberty in Christ versus say being offensive because you are preaching the Word of God. Stephen surely offended those who stoned him by his words. But they were not his words, but they were the Lord's words spoken thru Him.

 

[VioletReigns]

Grace is the work of Jesus Christ exhibited in a person.

 

[Jason0047]

May I ask why you keep insisting on saying it THAT way.... when everyone here has repeatedly told you it is:

"You are still saved, even at those times you DO sin." (Which, BTW, we ALL do....... including you.)

Other OSAS Proponents have made claims that there is nobody who believes like what your saying here. Meaning, there are OSAS Proponents who disagree with you here about one sinning with the thinking you are saved.

 

[Jason0047]

Grace is the work of Jesus Christ exhibited in a person.

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It's a comic book and it in no way represents the truth. Paul did not teach that one can live however they like after they are saved. In 1 Timothy 6:3-4, Paul says any many that speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and knows nothing.

 

[gb9]

It's a comic book and it in no way represents the truth. Paul did not teach that one can live however they like after they are saved. In 1 Timothy 6:3-4, Paul says any many that speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and knows nothing.

soooo your saying this comic is false teaching?????? how???????

 

[Jason0047]

soooo your saying this comic is false teaching?????? how???????

Did the scene in panel 1 actually take place? Also, to put two panels together that shows a lack of regard for God's laws is not the truth. God gave us commands in the New Testament that have replaced the Old Testament Commands.

 

[Jason0047]

For in the 2nd panel, Paul is not defining what living more abundantly means. Is it a live how you please and still be saved gospel?

 

[Reborn]

You make me laugh, man.

Thanks.

 

[gb9]

For in the 2nd panel, Paul is not defining what living more abundantly means. Is it a live how you please and still be saved gospel?

you do realize that the book which you have on your posts, which I have a whole stack of, including the one shown are comics and not all 100% Biblically accurate. I enjoy those little books very much, but not everything in them is 100% accurate. so, do not see how you criticize one and not the other.

 

[blondieindahouse]

It doesnt surprise me in the least that this OP is up to 253 replies! This the hr we live in. Tickle tickle tickle...

 

[ember]

When a tornado spins, it draws everything around it into itself.

That's what is happening here.

The Bible is being spun and everyone is being drawn in

While I sincerely meant my post to Jason yesterday, that does not change the fact that he teaches a false gospel; a gospel of works and loss of salvation so that you must be saved over and over again

That also does not change the fact that Jason twists what people say and it does not change the fact that he must be right at all times and that need to be right has nothing to do with the gospel.

 

[Jason0047]

you do realize that the book which you have on your posts, which I have a whole stack of, including the one shown are comics and not all 100% Biblically accurate. I enjoy those little books very much, but not everything in them is 100% accurate. so, do not see how you criticize one and not the other.

One is an entire comic and the other is just two panels that shown by itself is misleading about the truth of God's Word. For the two panels shown alone makes it sound like God's Commands are not really all that important. Another difference is that one is a hypothetical scenario (with the characters drawn in cartoon fashion so as to be abstract and not exact) and the other is drawn in realism and taken from the time period of Paul).

 

[VioletReigns]

Actually, this is not far from how I felt when Jesus finally got it through my thick skull that my Salvation was not contingent upon constantly maintaining the "proper" Righteous-appearing attitude, and kicking into the "church-approved Repentance mode" in order to repeatedly reinstate a condition of forgiveness by my actions of contrition and convincing demonstration of "genuinely Holy" groveling.

And discovering that I could live as I wanted to, and still be always forgiven, was so liberating! Because, unlike when I was trying to follow prescribed formulas, I soon found that I was seldom fighting urges to go against the things I was always worried about VIOLATING, but instead, was surprisingly pleased to find out that MY will was now lining up with God's will a lot more than it ever did when I was always trying to "live right" by adhering to a set of rules that I had memorized.

Maybe you can understand this more clearly....

This quote has been attributed to St. Augustine, referring to what he said in a sermon on 1 John 4:4-12:
See what we are insisting upon; that the deeds of men are only discerned by the root of charity. For many things may be done that have a good appearance, and yet proceed not from the root of charity. For thorns also have flowers: some actions truly seem rough, seem savage; howbeit they are done for discipline at the bidding of charity. Once for all, then, a short precept is given you: Love, and do what you will: whether you hold your peace, through love hold your peace; whether you cry out, through love cry out; whether you correct, through love correct; whether you spare, through love do you spare: let the root of love be within, of this root can nothing spring but what is good.

It's been paraphrased as:
Love God and do whatever you please: for the soul trained in love to God will do nothing to offend the One who is Beloved.

I've heard people just use the first half without the full expression, usually in a flippant way, but I think Augustine may be onto something here. We certainly get enough discussion about what God wants us to do or things along that line. Augustine seems to think that if we love God we aren't going to offend him and so don't need any "rules". Jesus seems to me to agree with him when he said:

Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

I think then that you can appreciate this, Willie-T.

Last week I was "volunteered" by my new church to do a scripture memorization in front of the congregation for this morning. I was rather nervous as #1: I'm not very familiar yet with the folks there #2. I'm not the most gifted speaker #3. I'm quite introverted and don't like being the center of attention. In short, my heart was willing but my flesh was weak.

So this morning my hands were sweaty and my heart was beating a little faster before church service and I began to pray for the Lord to help me. I started to get myself psyched up and gave myself a pep talk and grew quite confident.

But when I realized what I was doing, that I was trying to accomplish something in my own strength, I had a change of heart. "Lord, I need You! I want You to do this thing through me in spite of my fear. I don't wanna be strong, I want YOU to be strong! I want You to be glorified in my weakness!!!"

Guess what? I couldn't stop the joy in my heart from gushing over as I walked up to the front of the church with sweaty palms & butterflies in my stomach and my heart racing. I stood in front of the mic and looked out and saw only my son's face smiling over the sea of other faces. And I joyfully submitted to the Holy Spirit as He helped me to quote a scripture from the book of Isaiah to the church.

What joy to know that Jesus accomplished His will through me and how faithful He proves Himself to me. I'm so glad I could never tell that story and say that I obeyed. The truth it, Jesus glorified Himself and was strong in my weakness. What I could not do, the Lord did through me.

Hallelujah! \/

 

[BenFTW]

It doesnt surprise me in the least that this OP is up to 253 replies! This the hr we live in. Tickle tickle tickle...

I fail to see how this tickles people's ears (in the negative sense). Gospel means "Good news" for a reason, if it weren't any good I suppose people wouldn't repent. You act as if the Gospel being presented is too good, and it is! Thats what makes it good news. Jesus. Grace. Love. Redemption. Saved by His grace through faith. Tell me, are you tickled? You should be.

 

[KennethC]

which of these was "carved in stone"?

which is referred to as the "ministration of death"?

which of these did Christ fulfill for us?

Answer to question #1 = The written ordinances

Answer to question #2 = The written ordinances

Answer to question #3 = Neither, for Jesus says by us following the 2 greatest commands to love fulfills the law. Apostle Paul confirms this in Romans 13:9-11....