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iConflicted
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But is it 'complete'...?
I'll mention elsewhere that the omissions, of at least Enoch, has been a hindrance to modern Christians. We are Ill prepared for Satan's deceptions.
If IF if ....the Bible is complete.... shouldn't it have an explanation or answer for every possible happening?
I can't possibly forget who was responsible for 'designing' Christianity for us. The Roman Catholic Church isn't exactly reliable as an example of a Biblical Christian.....
Although Lilith may be an imaginary horror story told by early Jews, I also can't forget that these Jews were God's chosen. They were/are living prophecy.
Biblical scholars..... Do they study outside of the Bible or how do they come to understand passages without references? For example, yes, Enoch. Enoch is quoted in Scripture. Enoch quotes Scripture. We have books written about someone, and many someones, by someone else, some 500 years later. We call this inspired. Why wouldn't additional accounts be 'acceptable'? We have FOUR Gospels... Isn't it at least PLAUSIBLE that a detailed account of a man swept into Heaven by God Himself, bypassing death (A miracle!!!) would be worth writing about and us knowing.. considering the amount of ammunition Satan has aimed against us?
That book alone, if also 'inspired' would explain this Alien phenomenon. (I'll mention this elsewhere, don't worry bluelady). Christians wouldn't be bothered, they'd be prepared.
Please help me understand why we accept and adhere to a fabricated religion? We know we don't need a priest to ask our Father for forgiveness. And... and they, Catholics, have additional books in their 'Bibles'. Christians changed church into what it is today. Come on. History is NOT 100% accurate anyway.The rituals of church aren't entirely Biblical by the way.
If so much is open to interpretation, why bother with suppressing other possible 'inspired' writings? Ones that explain, spot on, a pretty damn good fantasy. Aliens! How aaawesome.
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iConflicted
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iconflicted,
You say you want to know what Christians think about Lilith,
so we answer you. We think nothing of her, she's not in scripture.
Then you want to argue about the canon of scripture.
Fine.
Your issue isn't with the myth of Lilith, it's with the canon of scripture.
If your problem is with the canon of scripture, then go debate that.
Go to the Bible Discussion Forum, and ask for scholarly information on the canon.
If you're going to ask serious, complex, academic questions,
then you need to be willing to do the hard study.
You say you want to know what Christians think about Lilith,
so we answer you. We think nothing of her, she's not in scripture.
Then you want to argue about the canon of scripture.
Fine.
Your issue isn't with the myth of Lilith, it's with the canon of scripture.
If your problem is with the canon of scripture, then go debate that.
Go to the Bible Discussion Forum, and ask for scholarly information on the canon.
If you're going to ask serious, complex, academic questions,
then you need to be willing to do the hard study.
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Miri
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KennethC
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This site does a good break down on Genesis, but at the same time it still says they all are still just theories and possibilities, the writer of this article does not say they are facts and does not provide the true authors for the book. The first 5 books of the bible are accredited to Moses but this does not mean he was the one who pinned it all down.
Once again I would refer for example the epistle of Paul to the Romans that was not written by Paul.......
Jesus did many other things as well.
If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world
would not have room for the books that would be written.
(John 21:25)
If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world
would not have room for the books that would be written.
(John 21:25)
do you reckon that John made a mistake in not filling up the whole solar system with books?
feel cheated by this somehow?
tell you what: endure in the faith until the end, and then we'll have eternity to be filled with knowledge in His glory.
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iConflicted
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Copy that. Take your answers as the 'right' answer and be content. I'd rather find open minded individuals to discuss this with then deal with people who hand you what they think they know and expect you to just be satisfied.
I am doing the hard studies and bringing my confusion here. But there are other places to go.
If you must be an ass about what a relevant question is, remember your first steps in Christ. Bit wobbly maybe? Had all kinds of curious things to ask? Had some hard set ideas in your head that were spoon fed to you and you were digging your way out? No? Lucky you.
May God continue to hand you every answer to any issue that may come your way. Thank you for the lack of understanding. Thank you for giving directions in forums rather than encouragement. Oh. And thanks for caring more about what irritated you and less about title of thread. Apparently I'm free to ask any question I wish that's possibly'conspiracy, taboo or the like.' Well.. Assumed so anyways.
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You've hardly been conducive in my sufferings as I claw my way back to Him.
Please delete my threads. It seems to bother your forum police.
I am doing the hard studies and bringing my confusion here. But there are other places to go.
If you must be an ass about what a relevant question is, remember your first steps in Christ. Bit wobbly maybe? Had all kinds of curious things to ask? Had some hard set ideas in your head that were spoon fed to you and you were digging your way out? No? Lucky you.
May God continue to hand you every answer to any issue that may come your way. Thank you for the lack of understanding. Thank you for giving directions in forums rather than encouragement. Oh. And thanks for caring more about what irritated you and less about title of thread. Apparently I'm free to ask any question I wish that's possibly'conspiracy, taboo or the like.' Well.. Assumed so anyways.
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You've hardly been conducive in my sufferings as I claw my way back to Him.
Please delete my threads. It seems to bother your forum police.
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iConflicted
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My screen name... Could it be more obvious that I'm in need of guidance and not your petty jabs? I kinda went for obvious. My faith isn't at the point that I accept only what we're given cause they say it's all God gave.I'm still in search and destroy mode. Searching for truth and destroying the dogmas ingrained in me. So yay!! I love going solo. I can hear Him so much easier without people like you wishing I'd just do it like you. But then its easier to doubt, be deceived. Easily tugged off task. Satan has better access to me when I'm alone. Maybe this time.
Typical. And I'm not even surprised. You've been a great big shit. Thanks
Typical. And I'm not even surprised. You've been a great big shit. Thanks
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Tintin
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Enoch has been a hindrance to modern Christians, really? Either way, it's not a problem, because it's not canon. The Bible is complete in what it was written as, a history of the world in relation to God and His love for His creations. A record of perfect relationship, giving way to rebellion, leading back to perfect relationship for those who believe on and trust in Jesus.
Jesus designed biblical Christianity for us.
As for Lilith, she's not a horror story from the early Jews, but a much more recent occurrence in Midrash (rabbinical discussion created to fill in the 'gaps' in Bible). If I remember correctly, Lilith is a relatively modern invention, from the 17th century AD. Yes, the Jews were God's Chosen people, but let's not forget the numerous times they worshipped false gods.
Yes, biblical scholars do generally study the extra-biblical books, not all of them, just the more important culturally interesting ones. But the disgusting fact is that many of these scholars and theologians seem like they set out to disprove the revelation of God and His love, rather than to prove it. Ugh!
As for aliens? Easy. Most of them are hoaxes, fanciful stories, drug trips etc. But some of them are real spiritual activity. Demons coming in the guise of aliens to steer people away from the truth that is Jesus. How do I know this? I've read a number of books, many articles etc. both from the credible and the looney and they all point to several things: Aliens hate the name of Jesus, they have a new gospel and they're all about deception, nothing but deception. Finally, many of the same phenomena have been related to the world of the occult. It's plain as day if you know Jesus.
Lastly, Christians don't adhere to a fabricated religion. Christianity is the only true religion and it's a relationship with the Lord, Saviour and Creator of the universe who wants all people to come to know Him and love Him and find freedom in Him. The only history book we can trust is the Bible, because it's God's Word to us. Written by men who were inspired by Holy Spirit to share His message of Love, Life, Hope to a fallen people.
Instead of freaking out about the authority of the Bible, find some resources that answer your questions how we got the Bible. It's all been heavily documented. There are plenty out there. And stop listening to the atheistic propagandists and biblical scholars/theologians who don't even believe in the Bible, they're just out there to confuse you.
Here's a good detailed start.
[video=youtube;5ZsZLDWWZMs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZsZLDWWZMs&index=1&list=PLvwgUlicDKGrQgs2-gTLvHNNXr0kpEV8B[/video]
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Tintin
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Yes, they're only theories, but there's very good reason to believe these are the authors of those books. As for who edited them all together. Well, obviously Moses is credited with that. No mystery there. As for Paul not physically writing Romans, but dictating it to his scribe? So what, he may not have physically written it, but in the sense of the word, he created the combination of words that were put to paper. I think you're being a little pedantic.
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Lilith is a part of Jewish Mythology. Why Alextor hopes few on CC knows about her is anyones guess. Just because an individual has knowledge of something doesnt make that person somehow evil. I am familier with the Apocrapha but I
dont take it as scripture.
dont take it as scripture.
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iConflicted
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KennethC
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No I was just proving a point that the person who is credited to a book is not necessary the one who wrote it.
Which is the case with the book of Hebrews as some scholars say this epistle writer is unknown, and others credit it to Paul as well. Either way though since it does not clearly say who wrote this epistle in Hebrews, you have a book that the author is not known in the bible and yet other books from known authors/Apostles that are not.....???
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iConflicted
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The late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan is credited with saying that "everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."
My screen name... Could it be more obvious that I'm in need of guidance and not your petty jabs? I kinda went for obvious. My faith isn't at the point that I accept only what we're given cause they say it's all God gave.I'm still in search and destroy mode. Searching for truth and destroying the dogmas ingrained in me. So yay!! I love going solo. I can hear Him so much easier without people like you wishing I'd just do it like you. But then its easier to doubt, be deceived. Easily tugged off task. Satan has better access to me when I'm alone. Maybe this time.
Typical. And I'm not even surprised. You've been a great big ****. Thanks
iConflicted, I hope you haven't given up completely yet... on this forum, I mean. The responses you have received seem to be fairly typical, and your reaction is completely understandable. However, please don't go. I'll explain why...
Just as you are struggling in your relationship with and understanding of God, so we are ALL broken, sinful humans who aren't yet completely sanctified or perfected. Sometimes we don't get the import of a new person's inquiry, and we fire off responses which don't help. Please know that there are many people on this site who, from what I can tell, genuinely love the Lord, seek truth, and desire to be a blessing to others, especially to those who are seeking. Clearly you have a sense of discernment, to recognize when someone is off-base regarding your inquiry. Please ignore all such responses, and focus on the ones which help. There is good wheat among the weeds. And, if your willingness to call a spade a spade is any indication, your input just might help some of us one day.
Blessings,
Dino
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Tintin
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iConflicted
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Thank you for that. I have been taking some replies personally and that's not helping either. But your words were chosen wisely and I appreciate you
Many thanks for your encouragement