Daniel 12:11

[KennethC]

No.

Christ was crucified in the middle of the 70th week.

I have explained why that is so in other threads.

"The math does not add up the way you think it does."

Sorry but I have studied this and the math did line up, so I know what I have studied.......

And once again in Daniel 9:26 it says the Lord is cut off (crucified) after the 62 weeks, which would be at the end after the 69th week had finished;

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

It does not say 3 1/2 years after the 62 week (69th), for it says after the 62 week He is cut off.
Then it goes into Daniel 9:27 with the one who confirms a covenant to start the final 70th week, and this can not be the Lord as He was crucified at the end of the 69th week and the temple being destroyed happened in 70 A.D., and that event comes in between the crucifixion of the Lord and the covenant that starts the 70th week.

 

[the_sign]

Sorry but I have studied this and the math did line up, so I know what I have studied.......

The 70 weeks prophecy begins count as "seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks".

The reason that the prophecy doesn't come outright and state sixty-nine weeks is because the number "6" carries with it a connotation of imperfection, whereas "7" is symbolic of perfection.

Then the prophecy states after such time Christ would be slain in the midst (half) of the week, the 70th week.

Enter symbolism, but by actual count :

"After threescore and two weeks" includes the first seven weeks foretold previously, also meaning after 69 weeks, which is the 70th week.

 

[KennethC]

The 70 weeks prophecy begins count as "seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks".

The reason that the prophecy doesn't come outright and state sixty-nine weeks is because the number "6" carries with it a connotation of imperfection, whereas "7" is symbolic of perfection.

Then the prophecy states after such time Christ would be slain in the midst (half) of the week, the 70th week.

Enter symbolism, but by actual count :

"After threescore and two weeks" includes the first seven weeks foretold previously, also meaning after 69 weeks, which is the 70th week.

1 Prophetic week = 7 years

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

No.

Christ was crucified in the middle of the 70th week.

I have explained why that is so in other threads.

"The math does not add up the way you think it does."

They use a floating time line which is somehow suspended in time and mysteriously floated future forward. LOL

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

1 Prophetic week = 7 years

So a week is a sign of time. LOL

 

[flob]

no sign. Hebrew 'shabua' = 'seven.'

For sure it's not 490 days,
490 minutes
490 centuries.

And as far as 'somehow,' it's called language. After 7 + 62 weeks, Messiah is crucified. Then further things transpire.
Then the 70th 7 begins. It's not begun yet. Yes............the church is a mystery, Eph 5

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Sorry but I have studied this and the math did line up, so I know what I have studied.......

And once again in Daniel 9:26 it says the Lord is cut off (crucified) after the 62 weeks, which would be at the end after the 69th week had finished;

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

It does not say 3 1/2 years after the 62 week (69th), for it says after the 62 week He is cut off.
Then it goes into Daniel 9:27 with the one who confirms a covenant to start the final 70th week, and this can not be the Lord as He was crucified at the end of the 69th week and the temple being destroyed happened in 70 A.D., and that event comes in between the crucifixion of the Lord and the covenant that starts the 70th week.

Whoops you missed a part, and the one who confirms the covenant for a week is Messiah. So your wrong again.

Daniel 9:25-27[SUP]25 [/SUP]Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

By the way, I see no mention of a future floating or suspended 3 and a half years to be fulfilled later some 2,000 years or so later in that prophecy. Maybe you can show us precedence for that in scripture?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

no sign. Hebrew 'shabua' = 'seven.'

For sure it's not 490 days,
490 minutes
490 centuries.

And as far as 'somehow,' it's called language. After 7 + 62 weeks, Messiah is crucified. Then further things transpire.
Then the 70th 7 begins. It's not begun yet. Yes............the church is a mystery, Eph 5

No such thing as a 7 year tribulation in scripture, no such thing as floating time or suspended time being floated somewhere future forward either. All inventions of men.

 

[flob]

you're correct that there's not 7-year tribulation.
In regard to Daniel's 70th 7 being separated from the first 69, you have to address the language.
God said it, not me. Through Daniel the prophet. It's more than clear. Whether you (or I) like it or not.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

you're correct that there's not 7-year tribulation.
In regard to Daniel's 70th 7 being separated from the first 69, you have to address the language.
God said it, not me. Through Daniel the prophet. It's more than clear. Whether you (or I) like it or not.

You said in post #46 the last 7 has not begun yet, not true. God did not say that, you did. No such thing as a lost, floating or suspended week of that prophecy being magically moved forward into the future somewhere.

 

[MarcR]

I am interested to know what this means to those of you who have thought upon it.

It means that a third temple will, indeed, be built.

There will be animal sacrifice on the altar again.

The altar will be profaned (by the Antichrist) with something 'unclean).

From the time the altar is profaned until Jesus' second coming will be 3.5 Lunar years (1290 days)

A year on the Hebrew Calendar is normally 354 days. 354*3.5=1239 + 2 leap years =1299 days which is precisely 9 days more than 1290 days. 1290 days is precise; while, 3.5 years is approximate.

 

[tanach]

Why not try reading the Book of revelation. It says that the Abomination of Desolation is the image of the Beast. The false Prophet asked the people to make the image and worship it.

 

[MikkoAinasoja]

I am interested to know what this means to those of you who have thought upon it.

It is about Roman army in around year 70 in Jerusalem when it conquer it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish–Roman_War

14. But when ye see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not (let him that readeth understand), then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains: 15. and let him that is on the housetop not go down, nor enter in, to take anything out his house: 16. and let him that is in the field not return back to take his cloak (Mark 13:14-16)

20. But when ye see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that her desolation is at hand. 21. Then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains; and let them that are in the midst of her depart out; and let not them that are in the country enter therein. (Luke 21:20-21)

 

[MikkoAinasoja]

I am interested to know what this means to those of you who have thought upon it.

But about those tímes?

God knows.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No.

Christ was crucified in the middle of the 70th week.

I have explained why that is so in other threads.

"The math does not add up the way you think it does."

Does not make any sense, Because the abomination which makes desolate occurs in the middle of the week. And jesus spoke of this as a much future event.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The 70 weeks prophecy begins count as "seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks".

The reason that the prophecy doesn't come outright and state sixty-nine weeks is because the number "6" carries with it a connotation of imperfection, whereas "7" is symbolic of perfection.

Then the prophecy states after such time Christ would be slain in the midst (half) of the week, the 70th week.

Enter symbolism, but by actual count :

"After threescore and two weeks" includes the first seven weeks foretold previously, also meaning after 69 weeks, which is the 70th week.

There is no symbolic time or age. this is not how we interpret prophesy, If we do this we can make prophesy mean anything we want it to mean. This is not how God intended his prophesy to be.

We also know from the actual time the order to restore the CITY of jerusalem (not temple as some want to use ) till the time Jesus did what Isaiah prophesied, and entered jerusalem on a donkey as messiah was literally 69 weeks of sevens.

so the math does add up.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Whoops you missed a part, and the one who confirms the covenant for a week is Messiah. So your wrong again.

No it would not be, Because Jesus was a jew, And the jews did not destroy the city and sanctuary rome did. So the prince who is to come is a roman prince, not a jewish one.

Daniel 9:25-27[SUP]25 [/SUP]Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

Again, When did Israel destroy sthe city and santuary, The people of the prince destroyed the sanctuary, this is rome. thus the prince is roman, NOT JESUS)

and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Speaks of things occuring AFTER the destruction of the city, which is already decades after the messiah was cut off, This time period is undetermined, All it says is jerusalem will be left desolate by wars until a time is determined,

[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

After the war desolations which were peredetermined by God, He (the prince who is to come, who's people destroyed the city and sanctuary) will CONFIRM a 7 year treaty, In the middle of that 7 year period. He will break his own treaty by commiting the abomination.

Jesus stated this is a future event, and told people when you see it standing in the holy place. run, for then their will be great tribulation.

By the way, I see no mention of a future floating or suspended 3 and a half years to be fulfilled later some 2,000 years or so later in that prophecy. Maybe you can show us precedence for that in scripture?

Maybe because your blinded by you belief?

The angel said the city will lay desolate until a time period of war desolations are determined.

Jesus said in matt 24 there will be war and rumors of wars. but the end is not yet,

The angel said in the middle of the week, the abomination of desolation will occure

Jesus said when you see the abomination of desolation, run.

they are side by side equal and speak of the same events.

A time period of unknown length can be seen in most of daniels prophesies, if we just sit down, open our minds, and study the word.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No such thing as a 7 year tribulation in scripture, no such thing as floating time or suspended time being floated somewhere future forward either. All inventions of men.

You can not study prophesy and believe this. This is an invention of men. that there is no second coming, and future events.

 

[Grandpa]

Really? So you actually read about the fall of Acre and are sure you are right? (insert rolleyes here)

Where does that passage say anything about rebuilding jerusalem?
Do you always put words in the bible you think should be there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ashraf_Khalil

This is where the muslims started their permanent war with christianity.
With the fall of the last christian stronghold the muslims started their reign of terror.
This is a significant event and the timeline is very much in line with Daniel's prophecy.

It sure seems like it fits to me, phil.

In fact, it makes more sense than what anyone else has posted.

There is a temple that sits on top of the original temple in Jerusalem today. It sure looks like an abomination of desolation to me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It sure seems like it fits to me, phil.

In fact, it makes more sense than what anyone else has posted.

There is a temple that sits on top of the original temple in Jerusalem today. It sure looks like an abomination of desolation to me.

it looks like one I guess. (gthen again Jerusalem has been desolate since 70 AD when the last temple was destroyed.

But what if the jerusalem temple was rebuilt, and a world leader entered the holy place and set himself up as messiah. and people could actually see it "standing in the most holy place" as Jesus fortold.

would that not be a more literal fulfillment?

Just asking, not trying to argue