Eternal Salvation Secure?

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Salvation Secure?

  • Yes

    Votes: 16 84.2%

  • No

    Votes: 2 10.5%

  • Got me dude......

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • Total voters
    19
  • Poll closed .
p_rehbein

p_rehbein

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Once and for all............all can vote, post a comment:


Let us take the worst possible example some people speak against...........a Woman Pastor.............egad! Say it ain't so....

Is a woman who becomes Ordained and accepts a position as a church Pastor a true woman of God and secure in her eternal salvation or not?


Me? Glad you asked, and I will be happy to say that I believe we are saved by Grace through faith..........and not of works lest any man should boast, and we are purposed by God to do what He purposed us to do.

(paraphrase.......yes)
 
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Rosesrock

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Nnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooo!!!! I refuse refuse. Not posting
 
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flob

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well, the Lord hates the clergy-laity system ('Nico-laitans'). But if a 'clergy' person believes into Christ, they're born of God forever and can never perish eternally
 
Jason0047

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While currently I believe the Scriptures do not approve of a woman to speak in having authority with God's Word over a body of men believers (And not other women and children), I have not seen anything in the Word that says that this is a salvation issue, though. Not all sins are the same. There are sins that do not lead unto death and there are sins that do lead unto death (1 John 5:16-18).

I agree with the following article that states this,

The structure of1 Timothy 2:11–14 makes the reason why women cannot be pastors perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for,” giving the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11–12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived” (verses 13–14). God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. The order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22–33) and in the church.

Read more:Women pastors / preachers? Can a woman be a pastor or preacher?
 
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Angela53510

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I think I answered this in another post! Yep, I'm secure. But I don't see why we need yet another thread to talk about this issue.

So far, no one from either side has budged an inch, and in fact, a lot of newbies have freaked out.

Let's be strong about doctrine, but that includes loving one another, ok??
 
crossnote

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How'd we go from our secure salvation to woman pastors :confused:
 
dcontroversal

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crossnote said:
How'd we go from our secure salvation to woman pastors :confused:
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He agrees with it while the use of anair is clear....God calls adult MALES to the office and the qualifications are aimed at adult males...not women!
 
crossnote

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dcontroversal said:
He agrees with it while the use of anair is clear....God calls adult MALES to the office and the qualifications are aimed at adult males...not women!
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Guess I'm royally dense. Still don't get the connection between women pastors and Eternal Salvation Secure?
 
Utah

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Yes, our salvation is secure in Jesus. To say otherwise is to say what Jesus did on the Cross and His resurrection afterward is not good enough. Can anyone possibly spit more directly in His face?
 
RickyZ

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My salvation is absolutely secure... right up until the point I reject it.
 
dcontroversal

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crossnote said:
Guess I'm royally dense. Still don't get the connection between women pastors and Eternal Salvation Secure?
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This came from the other salvation thread and some comments he was directing at me! (Clarify Salvation)
 
p_rehbein

p_rehbein

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crossnote said:
Guess I'm royally dense. Still don't get the connection between women pastors and Eternal Salvation Secure?
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Simply put............some folks assert Grace Only for salvation with no need to pay heed to the Commandments of Christ. If someone suggests/states that obedience is necessary as a fruit of salvation, they are branded Legalists as if this is a horrid brand, and they are accused of being false teachers and other such. Yet, when it suits the theological ideology of those who "extend Grace only" to MEN, they do not "extend Grace only" to women. Rather, they insist that the teachings of Paul to the Corinthians MUST BE adhered to.

Apparently, Grace only covers not needing to pay attention to the 10 Commandments and other Commandments from Christ, but it does not cover the teachings of Paul. In my opinion this is hypocrisy.

As for "why another thread?" To have a "POLL" to see exactly how many will have the courage to condemn the women they routinely charge as violating the Word of God on all the other threads. It appears, when their feet are held to the fire of the courage of their convictions, they fade into the shadows. Going by the Poll Numbers thus far.

If one truly believes that women Pastors/Teachers are violating the Word of God, and are actually "false teachers," then how exactly can they ALSO believe such a person has eternal salvation? Does God extend eternal salvation to those who disobey His Word and teach falsely?

I'm very, very tired of this double standard of Grace that some here profess. So, they can either stand up and express the courage of their beliefs/denominational ideology (which is what it really is), or they can put an end to the hypocrisy of the double standard of Grace.

I do not care if minds are changed, what I do care about is these people having to choose to stand for their ideology, or to fade into the shadows.

ONLY 6 VOTES?

Seriously? Wow, there must be standing room only in the shadows around here
 
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valiant

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RickyZ said:
My salvation is absolutely secure... right up until the point I reject it.
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Its not yours to reject. All your rejection would demonstrate would be that the Saviour was failing on His job. God forbid!!

John 6.3-44; 10.27-29; 1 Cor 1.8-9; Phil 1,6; etc etc.
 
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valiant

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p_rehbein said:
Simply put............some folks assert Grace Only for salvation with no need to pay heed to the Commandments of Christ. If someone suggests/states that obedience is necessary as a fruit of salvation, they are branded Legalists as if this is a horrid brand, and they are accused of being false teachers and other such.
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May I gently suggest that you have worded your statement carelessly? Obedience is a logically necessary fruit of salvation (no one can be saved without it producing fruit) but it is not 'a necessary condition of salvation that there should be such 'fruit of salvation' (for us to be saved does not require it even though it results in it). In other words it is not a necessity (a condition) FOR initial salvation. It is a necessary (follows logically) fruit of it.

Necessary is being used in two senses.
 
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RickyZ said:
My salvation is absolutely secure... right up until the point I reject it.
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I agree. Noah and his family were secure as long as they remained in the ark, Rahab and her family were secure as long as they remained in the house with the scarlet colored thread and we're secure as long as we abide in Christ. If we willfully choose to depart from Him, then we're no longer secure. That's basically how I see it and I'm not touching the woman pastor thing.
 
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The female pastors that I've met , who mainly are African American, are the most awesome holy spirit filled CHRISTIANS I have ever met. They fill in when men can't...and who's to say that is a bad thing? NO way...I have many black female pastor friends that I can call on anytime of the day and they are there for me. The few white female pastors that I've met, well, let's say that they are a little different in their approach.
I was in a gospel group and we were asked to play for a Homecoming service at a local church. The female pastor met us early to let us in and she dictated just how, when, where and why we were there. She told us not to 'testify" or share any moments in-between songs as to not hold up the service. to please "dispense of the bass guitar' as it may infringe upon the ears of the parishioners, that she 'thanked GOD" that we did not have a drummer, and that the movement and flow of the service was to promote things quick, as to not hold up the afternoon meal.
I was a guest pianist for another white lady pastor, and while she was preaching, she suddenly stopped and yelled at her husband, who was on the back row and said "Sweetheart! Would you please stop chatting while I am speaking and pay attention!" The congregation did not know whether to laugh or what.
IT is very easy to know in our spirit whether a female is truely called upon by GOD to be a church leader, as it is with anybody else, including men! I see NO reason this should be an issue, although I grew up in a church where women were not allowed to preach, but when it came to cleaning up after a service, a baptism, a meal, etc, you'd best believe that women were expected to be the maids. They were even told how to dress, whether pants were appropriate or not...and a deaconess was simple a fancy title for "Janitor", they were not allowed to be part of a deacon board, even with the title. Let's face it..'religion" has never been kind to females.
 
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pwrnJC

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Ok..my wife's grandmother, a very GODLY lady, ended up with demensia and altzheimers in her last days. She stopped attending church, stopped reading the BIBLE, stopped tithing, and she would curse 'like a sailor". Does that mean that her salvation in CHRIST, in which she had been a very faithful gospel sharing CHRISTIAN for decades, is gone? Another person that comes to mind is my father-in-law. He was my youth team leader, chairman of the deacons, a Sunday School teacher, a very outspoken warm hearted CHRISTIAN man that was a shining example of helping others. He has never held back when it comes to financially sharing and being there for others, even complete strangers. Recently, he suffered from a stroke, but came back with no apparent physical disabilities. However, our family is now seeing a complete change in his attitude...he has dropped by the wayside in church attendance, He is always telling others to 'GO to H......L !! He gets very beligerant and evil, slamming his fists on tables, yelling, screaming, getting upset at watching the recent TV news events. My family can no longer stand to be around him because he is extremely Negative at all times. I know this man had a passion for Christ and others because he was such an inspiration to me, personally. Now....things have changed. I just can't imagine JESUS CHRIST snubbing him.
 
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