KEEPING THREADS HONEST

[ember]

Although you are talking in "plural" there are a couple of things "they" think it is annoying or disgusting, like this you´ve said: "It would be super nice to be able to have a discussion without being told we are going to hell or having our words twisted or misrepresented or being told we do not understand the Bible because we do not agree with their beliefs."

I fail to see the use of the word disgusting other then in your post

If you see it in my post, would you please point it out?

It is not about 'beliefs'...this is about the constant sidetracking in order to promote a certain belief which is not the same thing as disagreeing at some point because we all do that

 

[ember]

Then there is that tricky little freedom of speech thing.... Unfortunately people have a right to their opinions.....of course we can take action for ourselves and remove ourselves from the offensive thread...never to return again.....

PS I have never known a thread to tell a lie....so they seem pretty honest to me....lol

Actually this is not at all about feedom of speech

It is about hijacking every thread in which a certain doctrine can be inserted and then the entire thread goes sideways

People lie all the time, but it's not about that either

 

[ember]

I pretty much agree on what has been said about one's who try to take over threads with passing such things..

I would also say that if we are going to do this to the one, then we should also do this to those who constantly pass false allegations on others by continuing to say things like, "works to earn salvation, or works based salvation."

Both of those terms you know means the same to them, but just because a person preaches and instructs on the works that come from the fruits of the Holy Spirit does not mean they are instructing a works to earn salvation.

People need to differ between works to earn and works of the Spirit that go hand and hand with faith for salvation !!!

I do see your point

The entire point of this op, is to address taking threads captive to one's ideology rather than starting a thread that addresses that ideology

If someone cares to discuss the usual for the next decade or two...that's fine. But wouldn't it be great to be able to discuss what a thread actually is about for a change?

No one is banned from the site...that serves no purpose IMO unless of course they break forum rules or whatever...but the Bible forum is about the Bible...yes? no? and not just one set of beliefs?

Fair warning is fair warning...it goes both ways..

 

[ember]

Well, threads may not tell lies, but they "make" us do things....... Powerful things, those threads.

Interesting.......

 

[JesusLives]

If you put two people in a room together they won't agree on everything.... I love my husband dearly but we don't agree on everything.... Does that mean I kick him or he kicks me to the curb? Or ban each other....No..... It just means we agree to disagree on certain subjects.

You won't change someone else's mind for them....God is the only one who can help correct our flaws and maybe our brother/sister has not had that conviction from God yet to fix this perceived flawed area in his/her life.... We are just to love each other and build each other up.... sometimes we forget to do this.... That is one reason why God condensed the 10 commandments into two.....we have short memories..... But the two summed up were Love the Lord with all your heart, soul, strength and your neighbor as yourself..... Not ban, condemn, get rid of....

But on a site such as this we do have the ignore button.... push it..... and be free.....

 

[KennethC]

We all seem to be forgetting that to each of us, only OUR ideas are really fully correct, and that will automatically tend to make us see anything else as "false."

That of course is true unless that person uses constantly the scriptures from the bible to support their side.

If a person is giving very little scripture and just mainly opinions all the time you can pretty much squash what they say right away.

But if a person constantly uses the bible and gives the scriptures then instead of debating we should with an open mind actually look into what it is saying. I for one constantly give scriptures and at times have given any where from 15 to 100 different scriptures at any given time, and when you can clearly show at least 3 people in the bible who say the same thing then it should be taken as truth.

Those who refuse to see that truth we know have been blinded by a false doctrine as Peter and Paul both have said !!!

It falls upon us to show them the truth out of His love and word, and if they still refuse to see it then we are told to dust our feet off and keep moving !!!

 

[ember]

Use the report button on said poster and help the mods see how that person is trolling/spamming thread with propoganda and not actually responding...report three or four examples and the mods will warn or bann if it is shown that the person is hurting others by their actions.

If they hurt no one just put them on ignore and pray for them. Dont respond to their prods but in Christian love fellowship with those who wish to discuss the topic in the thread.

From what I understand, that buttom almost goes up in flames in these threads...I may have used it one time...I am pretty conservative on the use of the report button

I understand the sentiment Ariel, but nothing changes, reports or no report so I am just suggesting, and I am not the only one, a different approach that I have seen work elsewhere

 

[slave]

Well OP mentioned the sinless perfection doctrine for one that a couple on here, one main one, who goes around telling others that unless you never ever sin again in your life you will not receive salvation. Sinless perfection doctrine is just a bad doctrine that takes salvation out of the hands of the Lord and places it fully on the individual.

Then you have the other spectrum of the styles of eternal security (started by Augustine in the 4th century) and the osas (started by Calvin in the 1500's) doctrines that take and place it fully on the Lord and say we play no roll. When the bible says that how one walks in the faith, rather they continue to serve sin (flesh) or server righteousness (Lord) will determine if they have salvation.

Walking in the Spirit means the fruits of love, compassion, self-control, mercy, and such will be clearly evident in our lives. The bible says walking in love is what fulfills the commandments of the Lord, because love will uphold the teachings of our Savior showing that our faith and trust is rooted in Him.

If people do not follow the teachings of those men, but base their belief on the Lord and follow what He says in the bible we are to do then I have no issue with what they teach. But if they come in and start telling people their walk does not matter, they can live however they want, or even a backslide will cost them salvation that teaching has got to be shut down.

Which is why I posed those from any of those doctrines if they see another who believes as they believe; belittling, demeaning, using sarcastic remarks, and even condemning others they need to put those brothers or sisters in their place by the Word of God. As nowhere does the bible condone that treatment of others !!!

Yet again you have not stated to whom we are referencing, nor the text he or she has stated that would allow the light of Gods Word to be seen here. I may know to whom you are speaking of, yet it is not mentioned. I also have never heard the one I think you are referencing to say that one must never ever sin again or they lose their salvation....I am honestly only trying to understand this and discern it in a context that is honest and forthright.

In addition to this I am reminded of the scripture that says we need to worry about the log in our own eye more than the speck in the others. Harsh words and attacks are common here in CC should we just close down the CC experience?

Don't get me wrong I understand full well the stand the Church is to have on such a issue. But this is not it.

 

[ember]

If you put two people in a room together they won't agree on everything.... I love my husband dearly but we don't agree on everything.... Does that mean I kick him or he kicks me to the curb? Or ban each other....No..... It just means we agree to disagree on certain subjects.

You won't change someone else's mind for them....God is the only one who can help correct our flaws and maybe our brother/sister has not had that conviction from God yet to fix this perceived flawed area in his/her life.... We are just to love each other and build each other up.... sometimes we forget to do this.... That is one reason why God condensed the 10 commandments into two.....we have short memories..... But the two summed up were Love the Lord with all your heart, soul, strength and your neighbor as yourself..... Not ban, condemn, get rid of....

But on a site such as this we do have the ignore button.... push it..... and be free.....

Well that's fine but that is not what this thread is about...I'm pretty sure all those options have been tried...I don't see you participating in the threads I am talking about, so perhaps you do not know just how bad it is?

Again, and I hope this is understood, this is about monopolizing threads for the sole purpose of preaching one's personal doctrine.

That's about all I can say to you about it

thanks

 

[Willie-T]

Well, threads may not tell lies, but they "make" us do things....... Powerful things, those threads.

Interesting.......

It's factious and "tongue-in-cheek." Nothing "makes" us do anything but we, ourselves.

 

[KennethC]

I do see your point

The entire point of this op, is to address taking threads captive to one's ideology rather than starting a thread that addresses that ideology

If someone cares to discuss the usual for the next decade or two...that's fine. But wouldn't it be great to be able to discuss what a thread actually is about for a change?

No one is banned from the site...that serves no purpose IMO unless of course they break forum rules or whatever...but the Bible forum is about the Bible...yes? no? and not just one set of beliefs?

Fair warning is fair warning...it goes both ways..

Yes because I have been in respectful debates with others on here on topics, when all of a sudden a couple others just jump right in and accuse me or the other of things without any basis to back it up with.

They come in with the purpose to start strife in the threads, and I even removed myself from a thread to go to another one a couple of times and they followed me just to keep the argument going.

Misusing and how to handle rebuking and reproving has been done in a wrong manner by some on here !!!

 

[ember]

So are you suggesting we greet only our own people-- while slandering a person, whom we all know to whom you are referencing along the way?....In order to quote: "Keep the threads honest?"

Is this not dividing? Does the Word of God not secure your position in regards to this persons position? Or any persons apposing position? I am sorry but this is not a calling God would have us be attached to. Matthew 5: 43-48 says, ".....And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?" KJV

"It is easy to greet your friends--even outsider's do that. But you are called to something higher. "Be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect." VOICE.

Where is that take-over button? I have yet to see it. Is it the red one?

Well that's interesting, but has nothing to do with the op or the suggestions

 

[KennethC]

Yet again you have not stated to whom we are referencing, nor the text he or she has stated that would allow the light of Gods Word to be seen here. I may know to whom you are speaking of, yet it is not mentioned. I also have never heard the one I think you are referencing to say that one must never ever sin again or they lose their salvation....I am honestly only trying to understand this and discern it in a context that is honest and forthright.

In addition to this I am reminded of the scripture that says we need to worry about the log in our own eye more than the speck in the others. Harsh words and attacks are common here in CC should we just close down the CC experience?

Don't get me wrong I understand full well the stand the Church is to have on such a issue. But this is not it.

Because I am not in the business of calling others out like that to others, but I will call them out personally to their face when they are misrepresenting the word of God.

If you see me call another out it is not simply just because of a disagreement, they either have to be passing false allegations or judgments on others, or belittling them or calling them unfruitful names.

 

[ember]

Yes because I have been in respectful debates with others on here on topics, when all of a sudden a couple others just jump right in and accuse me or the other of things without any basis to back it up with.

They come in with the purpose to start strife in the threads, and I even removed myself from a thread to go to another one a couple of times and they followed me just to keep the argument going.

Misusing and how to handle rebuking and reproving has been done in a wrong manner by some on here !!!

I'm really and honestly just trying to suggest an alternative to the arguing, name calling and general strife

IMO, it would help to keep things civil if people were reminded now and then, especially in the heat of the moment, to tone it down

Keeping a thread on track is actually considerate....it shows you actually respect another's thoughts or posts

Again, one can always start a thread on their fav topic and others can join them there if they desire

It's not rocket science

 

[ember]

It's factious and "tongue-in-cheek." Nothing "makes" us do anything but we, ourselves.

Well that's right on point!

Of course that is so....which is why we address people and not threads...however, the threads are where the 'peoples post'

 

[ember]

who is this person? State his name and what false doctrine?!! Remember too..."Greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world!"

OK...chill please

No one is going to die on this hill...this is the suggestion thread...not the "Answer me now thread or I will use a sword to cut off your ear."

 

[jogoldie]

Have you noticed how much of the NT is written to refute wrong teaching and to warn us of deception and so on?

Christians should not be argumentative, but neither should they be wimps who 'wait' for someone else to 'do' something

My preferred method of dealing, would be to ignore, but it seems the 'bait' is just too enticing...as that is so, for the good of the community at large, rather then continue the ridiculous one upmanship and arguing and name calling, in order to have a peaceable discussion for once, would it really be so hard for people to stop hijacking threads with the same discourse?

I have seen this work really well in another forum and that is why myself, and actually a few others, have brought it up

A whimp.......I dont see myself as that....I just chose to let God deal with them......if thats a whimp.....well....I guess thats what I am...
It just seems to me that getting upset and lashing out doesnt fix anything.....as to only add to the fuel of the agresser.....vengence we are
told is not ours......besides letting God handle these people is what we are instructed........

 

[ember]

A whimp.......I dont see myself as that....I just chose to let God deal with them......if thats a whimp.....well....I guess thats what I am...
It just seems to me that getting upset and lashing out doesnt fix anything.....as to only add to the fuel of the agresser.....vengence we are
told is not ours......besides letting God handle these people is what we are instructed........

uh...I'm not actually calling you a wimp here. That was a general statement applied to everyone

No one is upset here...however, I am bringing up the threads wherein an awful lot of 'upsetting'...needless upsetting, goes on

Again, this is not about censorship or banning or picking on people..not about reproof

It is actually about cleaning up the Bible threads if we can, so that people actually are more civil and more mindful of each other

God is not going to come down and bomp us on the head about it when He has already told us how to act towards others and other believers

Sometimes though, people need to be reminded

Again, this is not a personal address to you so please don't think it as such

 

[slave]

Because I am not in the business of calling others out like that to others, but I will call them out personally to their face when they are misrepresenting the word of God.

If you see me call another out it is not simply just because of a disagreement, they either have to be passing false allegations or judgments on others, or belittling them or calling them unfruitful names.

Well I don't know the reference to your conclusions of judgement so I cannot support or not support it. But to set forth a movement based on an assumed conclusion is dangerous and wrong. I believe this thread has nothing to do with keeping the thread honest..it is in keeping the ones you disagree with from having influence. I will simply agree to disagree. If we want to talk about specifics that we can do....speculation is divergent, and not time I will waste.

 

[jogoldie]

uh...I'm not actually cignoranceou a wimp here. That was a general statement applied to everyone

No one is upset here...however, I am bringing up the threads wherein an awful lot of 'upsetting'...needless upsetting, goes on

Again, this is not about censorship or banning or picking on people..not about reproof

It is actually about cleaning up the Bible threads if we can, so that people actually are more civil and more mindful of each other

God is not going to come down and bomp us on the head about it when He has already told us how to act towards others and other believers

Sometimes though, people need to be reminded

Again, this is not a personal address to you so please don't think it as such

Im sorry....I was not actually saying you called me a whimp......
Im saying if someone comes for a fight ....doesnt mean we have to give it to them...
I will fight for truth....for sure....but I refuse to argue over it.....its pointless...
God tells us to love one another......He never said.......only when they agree with us.....
each of us are responisble for our own salvation.....I refused to let some bully change
my joyful outlook......and because of their ignorance......I dont feel I should stoop to
those levels and take myself out of character.....I wont let anyone take my focus
Off peace.......tempting or not.......peace my sister....fight the good fight.....jo