Christian music

[KennethC]

Qualifiy it however you want Kenneth.....I really dont care bro.....there is another word...hypocrite...and at the end of the day...you use your opinion just as much as anyone on this site!

This is not my opinion Dcon, for this is exactly what the bible says;

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

We are to use the Word of God when we reprove and rebuke others, not use slander, demeaning, and false allegation tactics to make one look better than the other. If your not using the Word of God to rebuke and reprove others then the way you are handling a matter is incorrect !!!

 

[KennethC]

What was the witness of Paul KennethC

Apostle Paul said we are to imitate him as he imitates Christ, and Paul constantly warned believers of the improper way they acted in the faith. And he is the one who said to use scripture to rebuke and reprove and fellow brother or sister in the faith.

Some don't like to be called out, and this style of Paul is not well accepted now days because people don't want to face their own faults. But the bible clearly tells us to expose those unfruitful works by the Word !!!

 

[EdisonTrent]

Apostle Paul said we are to imitate him as he imitates Christ, and Paul constantly warned believers of the improper way they acted in the faith. And he is the one who said to use scripture to rebuke and reprove and fellow brother or sister in the faith.

Some don't like to be called out, and this style of Paul is not well accepted now days because people don't want to face their own faults. But the bible clearly tells us to expose those unfruitful works by the Word !!!

Paul witness Was on the road to Damascus a blinding light and a loud voice from Jesus

 

[KennethC]

Paul witness Was on the road to Damascus a blinding light and a loud voice from Jesus

Yes that is when Paul gave himself to the Lord !!!

What I was speaking on was how Paul instructed others in the word, and he constantly in his epistles warned believers of continuing in sin. He was not warning unbelievers when he did this, as he, James, and John all three witnessed the importance of one's walk in the faith. This is what I also instruct on, and like I said that style is not well accepted today but it is still just as much valid today as back then when he warned the Galatians, Ephesians, and the Corinthians of how to walk in the faith.

 

[Gr8grace]

Telling somebody they need to buy diapers is not a proper way to speak to others, that is belittling and demeaning talk that comes from the flesh and not from the Spirit......

Make sure you get the right size.

Come on Ken. The Spirit tells us that a lot of what we do is Skubala(Shit). Can I get mad at Him or offended by Him?

 

[AllanSnackbar]

Any stories of these bands trashing the vestry after a gig?

 

[KennethC]

Paul witness Was on the road to Damascus a blinding light and a loud voice from Jesus

By the way just wanting to know what is your point about this, and what does it have to do with his instructing of warnings ???

 

[KennethC]

Make sure you get the right size.

Come on Ken. The Spirit tells us that a lot of what we do is Skubala(Shit). Can I get mad at Him or offended by Him?

The bible and the Holy Spirit states constantly the proper way we are to act in the faith, and clearly shows that if you are not acting that way the Truth/eternal life does not abide in them.

These are not my words as they come from the bible from the Apostles who were lead and inspired to write these things down, I am sorry and apologize if they come off sounding a little harsh sometimes, but I am not going to be moved away from the Word of God just because some don't like what it says......

 

[Gr8grace]

The bible and the Holy Spirit states constantly the proper way we are to act in the faith, and clearly shows that if you are not acting that way the Truth/eternal life does not abide in them.

These are not my words as they come from the bible from the Apostles who were lead and inspired to write these things down, I am sorry and apologize if they come off sounding a little harsh sometimes, but I am not going to be moved away from the Word of God just because some don't like what it says......

Ken, thanks for your input and I will take it and use if I see truth in it.

IMO, eternal life is not abiding in you. You have eternal life IMO, but it is not abiding in you. You don't know you have it.

I have eternal life abiding in me, I KNOW I have it.

I have your perspective, this is mine.

 

[dcontroversal]

No they did not, there is absolutely nothing in that scripture that says they tried to earn salvation by works.
You are adding to what is not there, as the bible clearly even shows from Paul also that a person can not serve both the Lord and sin/flesh both, for that is what Paul calls a carnal mind that leads to death.

Those in Matthew 7:23 are an example of the carnally minded who thought they could serve both, they found out differently !!!

Now you just cut your own dogma down to the ground....Jesus said he NEVER KNEW THEM...not that they were saved and LOST it becuase of trying to serve both...do you even listen to yourself? One contradiction after another comes out of your theology!

 

[dcontroversal]

This is not my opinion Dcon, for this is exactly what the bible says;

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

We are to use the Word of God when we reprove and rebuke others, not use slander, demeaning, and false allegation tactics to make one look better than the other. If your not using the Word of God to rebuke and reprove others then the way you are handling a matter is incorrect !!!

Your not my pastor nor my preacher KENNY.....and those were instructions to Timothy as a pastor of the church which was at Ephesus.....wake up and smelllllll the truth!

 

[MarcR]

IMO, If music is Scripturally sound, uplifting, and God honoring; it should be accepted, whether or not it suits our personal taste.

Music which does not meet ALL THREE of these criteria should be rejected.

 

[A_Friend_In_Christ]

Music has to be music, pleasing to the ear first, with a good message.

 

[MarcR]

Music has to be music, pleasing to the ear first, with a good message.

What is pleasing to your ear may not be pleasing to mine; and vise versa.


My favorite genre are classical and traditional folk; but I can occasionally appreciate Country & Western, Bluegrass, and Progressive Jazz. Rock generally does not suit my taste; but, if their contribution to the movie God is not Dead is any indication---I could listen to the Newsboys occasionally.

 

[Gr8grace]

What is pleasing to your ear may not be pleasing to mine; and vise versa.


My favorite genre are classical and traditional folk; but I can occasionally appreciate Country & Western, Bluegrass, and Progressive Jazz. Rock generally does not suit my taste; but, if their contribution to the movie God is not Dead is any indication---I could listen to the Newsboys occasionally.

Classical Marc? Off to the pit with you!

 

[Jason0047]

Just because it sounds that way does not mean it is !!!

There are many Heavy Metal Christian bands out there that their lyrics are all about praising God and the Lord our Savior.
If a person requested music from a Christian band no matter what genre it was then yes I would play it at a wedding or graduation.

All music that is respectful in the lyrics is pleasing to the Lord !!!

As for your studies go I would call that baloney because I know of a number of people who listen to Christian Heavy Metal and there moods are not made worse and brought down. They were actually just the opposite !!!

I think you are confusing heavy metal with death metal Jason !!!

Just because it sounds evil does not mean that it is evil? Sorry. I am not buying that one. I do have discernment by the Spirit to know if something is clearly good or evil. Also, Paul said avoid having any appearance of evil.

As for confusing death metal with Christian Heavy Metal, ..... they sound the same to me. There is no real distinction that says to me that one is holy and good. They both are aggressive in their beat and many songs just sound like they would played in a violent horror movie or in a dirty night club scene of people thrashing their bodies about mindlessly. There is only a sense of an evil spirit to this type of music. It does not make me want to lift up my hands to God and praise Him but it makes me think of the violence of the old world and to focus upon it's dark ways. Folks need to get away from this type of music and or they need to get out of the things of the world to see that this type of music is clearly not of God. I say this because we are living in the last days and people have a form of Godliness, but they deny the power thereof.

 

[Jason0047]

Now you just cut your own dogma down to the ground....Jesus said he NEVER KNEW THEM...not that they were saved and LOST it becuase of trying to serve both...do you even listen to yourself? One contradiction after another comes out of your theology!

And why does God say He never knew them? Ever read Ezekiel 18? It says in that chapter that if a man turns from his righteous ways and does evil all his righteousness will not be remembered. In other words, the man that used to be righteous before God will no longer be in rememberance before God if he turns from his righteous ways and starts to do evil. It will be as if he never knew them. The reverse is true if a sinful man turns from his wicked ways and then turns towards righteousness (If they ask God to forgive them). God will then no longer remember their past iniquities.

 

[Jason0047]

There's a difference between it being unfit for the occasion and it being evil though. I wouldn't play cinematic music or video game soundtracks at a wedding either, but they're not evil. Evil is in what something promotes.

There are some songs out there that give me an unsettling feeling, so I get that part of what you're saying. But even then, I don't regard the genre of said songs as evil. *shrug*

If Heavy Metal type music (whether it be secular or Christian) is so good, do you think that you could listen to this type of music all day and believe that it would improve your spiritual life? I guarantee you that it would change your attitude and love for Christ for the worse and not for the better. For studies have already been done that this type of music changes a person's behavior for the worse and not for the better. It's no surprise because well.... it sounds evil..... just as evil as it is in watching a horror movie whereby you see people getting chopped apart by a mad man or killer monster. The Bible says avoid evil communication. I know for a fact that the fruit of this type of tree would change your life for the worse and not for the better. No question in my mind about that fact. For you have to remember that I used to love this music at one time in my life (And that others have to). But because of Jesus Christ, they have no desire to listen to such dark stuff anymore because it vexes their spirit to even hear this type of music being piped for even a few seconds.

 

[BradC]

I personally can not see in any way how any form of heavy metal music or any derivative of such is inspired by God to glorify God in this life. Be not conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. The world has an affection and attraction in their soul for this and other types of music and we should come out from among them and be separate. To be attracted or have affections for music that has its origins in the world (kosmos) are those who are friends or have their friendship with the world are enemies of God (in hostile opposition with God). We are not to love or have affections of the world, neither for the things that are in the world, for when we do the love of the Father is not operating in us.

If we do not discern the things that are in the world, we will be conformed to them, being attached to them in our soul. Music has a strong attachment to so many throughout their life and it has become the expression of their soul and mindset. Does any discerning believer who is separate (or sanctified) from the world actually believe that you can take any song that originates from the kosmos and change the lyrics and that would glorify God? What is from above is from above and what is from below is from below and our wisdom is from above. That which is from below is earthly, sensual and devilish (James 3:13-18). I believe that the Spirit-filled believer knows what is from God and what is not because they have the Spirit within who glorifies the risen Christ and reveals those things that are of God.

 

[mwc68]

I for one am going to keep playing guitars and rockin for God. Those who want to throw stones are welccome to hurl away.