Defining Homosexuality

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jsr1221

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Acknowledged. You make a great point. We do have to witness directly to the "LGBT community." Some of us have. I've street ministered in Palm Springs, CA during such events but as you say we could have used a lot more help from our fellow Christians.

Nevertheless, these threads are beneficial. Firstly, many people all over the world perform searches and find them and read what they have making them part of that outreach that you advocate. Secondly, they serve as places where formally educated Christians such as myself can "hammer out" the particulars with other Christians that may be deceived by the devil or misled by the immoral culture they live in.

But you're absolutely right that the Christian worldview with it's Gospel of Jesus Christ is designed by God to be made available to the whole world. Good looking out here.
God bless you, brother, for being a witness to those in the community. I forgot to mention that I only brought other other topics like pornography, masturbation, and the waitresses being a little too friendly and showing too much just for a few extra dollars in tips, because I felt people were starting to pay more attention to the sin of homosexuality. Rather than focusing on all sin. Now yes, the Bible doesn't flat out say a waitress working at an IHOP is a sin. But I find it hard to believe God would be pleased with a girl being a little too flirty or leaning in to show some cleavage as a way for the male customer to put in more of a generous tip. That's just my opinion, but not the point also. I just kept seeing thread after thread on homosexuality- and rightly so, because this is an abomination- but at the same time being so heavily heated and involved in this subject, we lost track of other sins and potential sins. That is what I was concerned about, and why I brought up the other subjects. Could I have done it and said it differently? Probably. But we learn along the way, right?
 
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Angela53510

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Well, today again in our news, the LGTBQ lobby is dictating their terms to local folk festival organizers. There apparently are reggae groups that have "anti-homosexual" lyrics in their music. So not only are these groups not allowed to sing this music, but the homosexual community wants them banned from the festival, as they were in Toronto, Ontario. Just because they had the nerve to write lyrics that were "homophobic." (If they were!)

So the thought police are alive and well in Canada. It makes me want to look up these groups and see what they are singing about. I suspect they are singing about a man and a woman being the right combo. How politically incorrect!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/reggae-festival-s-lineup-unchanged-after-meeting-with-lgbtq-groups-1.3151713

So you see, it is not just about homosexuals being able to marry, but them actually dictating what is allowed to be seen, sung, read or anything else. A tragic day for Biblical Christianity.
 
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My take on love is that it's a choice we make, whether it's homosexual love or heterosexual love. The homosexual feelings may be normal to many (possibly more than will admit to the feelings in fact), probably due to many factors that go above my head, but Love is not a feeling. It's a verb. It's something we do out of choice. The actions are the sin to me.....feeling attraction to another of the same sex is just that.....a feeling.....acting on that attraction takes choice. God gave us free will for exactly this sort of dilemma. We are free to sin, due to free will, but every action has a reaction, so while I am free to sin, sins have reactions.....or consequences...whether that be physical consequences, emotional consequences or whatever.....there is a consequence to sin.

Now that we all know I believe the actions of homosexuality are sin, we should also know that I also believe over eating, smoking and drinking to excess are also sins, since they don't care for the Temple (body), and the Bible is pretty clear that no sin is any worse than another......so, to me homosexuality is no worse than the lying, murdering, over eating, me.

If I dismiss everyone who sins in ways I don't approve, then I will run out of people to love reallllllllly quickly. Not to mention the fact that one's sexual orientation is only one small part of who they are, unless they or I choose to make it more than that. If I segregate myself from those who sin differently than I, I will be missing out on getting to know a LOT of awesome people.....besides, sexuality are one of the last things my friends and I discuss anyways.
Then again, I'm nobody.
Peace!!
Hmmm!

Although I would love (emotionally and sexually) any lesbian, I wouldn´t love an homo (or sexual-diverted man). Said in another way: I don´t agree with those terms of "Lesbian love" or "Homosexual love" because sex in not actual love, but physical intercourse with a PERSON each chose as a playmate.

I agree with you, I´m nobody, also but, we´ve invented too many definitions to those things God´s called sins (and I´m another sinner)
 
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Somebody already got banned for this:

‘What I did say on a thread entitled “When the Supreme Court Approved Gay Marriage, What All Happened to the USA?” is that there are LGBT scripture lawyers who can present a credible case that lesbianism is not a sin. That was in response to the homophobes citing the typical clobber verses that are used to humiliate homosexuals.’

Christianchat.com is homophobic, fascist, anti-science, and anti-Christian

So here on this thread you have people like AgeofKnowledge going on and on about the clobber verses allegedly condemning homosexuality. But you have no one offering the opposing view that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality.

And why not?

Because the person would be banned.
I like honesty!

(Sigh)

I wish, instead of blaming, cursing... and hurting, "we" churchy ppl would help (more in MATCHMAKING) any of those who haven´t HEARD of the fullness of what love is.

If I indulged in sexual pervertions, in adultery or a fornicators... What were the reasons I did it the WORNG WAY? Was I seeking love or simply sex (without a real committement)

These are thoughts I also entertained:

Deut. 22:25-29
 
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I like honesty!

(Sigh)

I wish, instead of blaming, cursing... and hurting, "we" churchy ppl would
help. . .any of those who haven´t HEARD of the fullness of what love is.

If I indulged in sexual pervertions, in adultery or a fornicators... What were the reasons I did it the WORNG WAY? Was I seeking love or simply sex (without a real committement)

These are thoughts I also entertained:

Deut. 22:25-29
Rationalization will never justify sin.
You won't be freed from it in Christ until you agree that it is sin.
 
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Rationalization will never justify sin.
You won't be freed from it in Christ until you agree that it is sin.
We both know: "Do not kill" but, if someone came to attack me and he or she get kill... I won´t repent for having fought my fight.

Those that are hated, segregated, undermined by our religious standards lacked: 1) One true friend, 2) One true lover and also, 3) A true guide to lead them to their perfect choice (in matchmaking).

Last week, when I visited my own sister, we have an honest chat and she told me that, one of her friends, ended up into lesbianism and, by the way, also wanted to lure my child away and, happily, she is aware of WHO she is (and what she likes) and I cannot boast on this, because she also told me that, when she travelled (alone) to the beach with some friends, she noticed in that bus two men who were kissing each other (in the mouth) and I saw her feelings, her reactions, etc., but -instead of condoning or pointing out at ppl´s sins- Christianity should be more concerned IN HELPING, particularly in matchmaking, because it seems that, GAY COMMUNITY is more eager to be married than we, as Christians "perfect" believers.

Why am I being gay, instead of a happy married man?

Why am I undulged in adultery (or fornications) if -as a believer- I AM supposed to find the ultimate joy inside a home build along with a Christian woman (helped and backed up with Christians frinds)

Surely we -as Christians- are too falling short and, I won´t show several proofs I have Christians are also indulged in fornications, sodomy, lesbianism, etc., because GOD knows it better than me and, I should be part of the solution, not of those problems so, rationalism helps for nothing but, critics by itself and alone, helps for nothing too.

That girl who wanted to entice my daughter told her (maybe another lie) that she became lesbian because she was tired of being cheated on...

The truth is that, homosexuals (or lesbians) also cheated on as well as Christians have cheated or could be cheated on.

This type of "rationalizing" truths helped for nothing what we ppl need and, that need is JOY, feel being loved, long lasting happiness, coherent loyalty, etc. and, sinners (as humans as we are) failed on loving God and His commandments.

How come we won´t fall short on loving ppl? No matter who they chose to feel loved.

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Lust and sexual perversion is not "love" not biblical love...its sin and its a sin against love to condone or approve it using the word "love"
 
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Are there "sinful" words on these: Agape, Eros or Phileo?

Since I´m a sinner and I´ve tried to condem and judge other sinners (like me) I´d better to read this:

Luk 6:37 Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

And, although I don´t like Paul´s, this would fit to put the light on its place:

Rom 2:1 For this reason, O man, each one of you who judges is inexcusable. For by that which you judge another, you condemn yourself. For you do the same things that you judge.
Rom 2:2 For we know that the judgment of God is in accord with truth against those who do such things.
 
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We both know: "Do not kill" but, if someone came to attack me and he or she get kill... I won´t repent for having fought my fight.

Those that are hated, segregated, undermined by our religious standards lacked: 1) One true friend, 2) One true lover and also, 3) A true guide to lead them to their perfect choice (in matchmaking).

Last week, when I visited my own sister, we have an honest chat and she told me that, one of her friends, ended up into lesbianism and, by the way, also wanted to lure my child away and, happily, she is aware of WHO she is (and what she likes) and I cannot boast on this, because she also told me that, when she travelled (alone) to the beach with some friends, she noticed in that bus two men who were kissing each other (in the mouth) and I saw her feelings, her reactions, etc., but -instead of condoning or pointing out at ppl´s sins- Christianity should be more concerned IN HELPING, particularly in matchmaking, because it seems that, GAY COMMUNITY is more eager to be married than we, as Christians "perfect" believers.

Why am I being gay, instead of a happy married man?

Why am I undulged in adultery (or fornications) if -as a believer- I AM supposed to find the ultimate joy inside a home build along with a Christian woman (helped and backed up with Christians frinds)

Surely we -as Christians- are too falling short and, I won´t show several proofs I have Christians are also indulged in fornications, sodomy, lesbianism, etc., because GOD knows it better than me and, I should be part of the solution, not of those problems so, rationalism helps for nothing but, critics by itself and alone, helps for nothing too.

That girl who wanted to entice my daughter told her (maybe another lie) that she became lesbian because she was tired of being cheated on...

The truth is that, homosexuals (or lesbians) also cheated on as well as Christians have cheated or could be cheated on.

This type of "rationalizing" truths helped for nothing
what we ppl need and, that need is JOY, feel being loved, long lasting happiness, coherent loyalty, etc. and, sinners (as humans as we are) failed on loving God and His commandments.
That need is truly met only in God, for people always disappoint.

How come we won´t fall short on loving ppl? No matter who they chose to feel loved.

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That need is truly met only in God, for people always disappoint.
Agreeeeeed!

But allow me to rationalize it, to:

1) How many believers have you heard left the Church to find out what they missed (and lacked) on those cold benches?

2) How many of them left (as trying to hide from God) when we ppl hurt them, the most (and DISHONORING GOD´S holy name)?

3) How many times you knew close ppl fled from us or belivers because we gave them NOT the attention they needed? (social?, emotional?, a new life to walk and live by it?, love and true affection?)

4) Let me recall that several musicians and arstist were emotionally and sexually abused... So they hate our church and also GOD, for not having intervened when they asked GOD (or someone else) to save them or spare their lives.

I know my mother´s life, she has share what she thinks and felt about the Baptists she grew with... I know almost all she hates so, for our faults, as believers, millions of ppl´s are truelly hindered to enter a real fellowship of ideas with Christian believers and, to my personal surprise, when I was new in the Lord´s way, one man asked me to stop my being brotherly, my hugging (and my being friends) because he confessed me he had his problems with homosexuality and, I didn´t know how to cope with that (the way Christians do) and, after some time, I heard he finally married but, not all these sad stories end the same happy way.

Again, if we really have God´s or Jesus´telephone number (to call any of them once in a time, to chat and to listen to Him) things would walk better. But, even the fact you might see Jesus as God, and I might see Him as God´s Son, that -immediatelly- builds a WALL separating us... "Becasue I´m an unbeliever" or "because I haven´t believed the way you do".

Similarly, lesbians and sodomite believed their own ways, but they lacked the guidance to find their "perfect" match which, probably- do NOT exist but, CHEAP evangelism sold the Gospel of getting complete joy... And I know more than a dozen of ppl who ran away from churches because they couldn´t get what they wanted to live a fulfiling life, with that odd joy.

That´s NOT what Jesus said:

Mat 10:34 Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
 
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Somebody already got banned for this:

‘What I did say on a thread entitled “When the Supreme Court Approved Gay Marriage, What All Happened to the USA?” is that there are LGBT scripture lawyers who can present a credible case that lesbianism is not a sin. That was in response to the homophobes citing the typical clobber verses that are used to humiliate homosexuals.’



So here on this thread you have people like AgeofKnowledge going on and on about the clobber verses allegedly condemning homosexuality. But you have no one offering the opposing view that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality.

And why not?

Because the person would be banned.
They don't want to hear the other side. It's like when the fundies used the Bible to support slavery and to deny women the right to vote.
 
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I would love to see you and some of these other homophobes witness to Ellen DeGeneres.

So go on her show.

LOL.
Sure...be glad to tell her that she is a sinner and needs Christ...I witness to hard core criminals in prison every week...do your really think ellen degenerate is above the truth?
 
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I would love to see you and some of these other homophobes witness to Ellen DeGeneres.

So go on her show.

LOL.
When a person walks with Jesus Christ his words written in the Holy Bible are our guide. We already know what the other side wants to hear! Why hash it out again? Sin is rebellion against God no matter how you slice it!

A true Christian must stand for what the BIBLE instructs. We do not compromise. What part of that do you not understand?
Sin is sin! End of story.
 
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Mitspa

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They don't want to hear the other side. It's like when the fundies used the Bible to support slavery and to deny women the right to vote.
Oh yea...its exactly the same ...lol do you really think race and gender is the same as sexual perversions and evil lust?

And if you don't believe the bible..Im assuming your not a Christian...correct?
 
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Mitspa

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Are there "sinful" words on these: Agape, Eros or Phileo?

Since I´m a sinner and I´ve tried to condem and judge other sinners (like me) I´d better to read this:

Luk 6:37 Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

And, although I don´t like Paul´s, this would fit to put the light on its place:

Rom 2:1 For this reason, O man, each one of you who judges is inexcusable. For by that which you judge another, you condemn yourself. For you do the same things that you judge.
Rom 2:2 For we know that the judgment of God is in accord with truth against those who do such things.
If your a "sinner" you need to get saved and Gods grace will give you power over sin...If your a believer, you have Gods grace and power over sin...

Ro 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
 
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I also would accept that invitation in a second and hopefully it would be on her television show! What a great opportunity. That aside, this whole "homophobe" label is falsely applied to genuine Christians as a fallacious tactic of ad hominem.

A homophobe is a person who fears or hates homosexuals and homosexuality. Certainly we do not fear people who choose to engage in homosexual acts nor hate them. We do hate sin, as God Himself does, but obviously that by itself does not satisfy the definition requirement to be a "homophobe."



Sure...be glad to tell her that she is a sinner and needs Christ...I witness to hard core criminals in prison every week...do your really think ellen degenerate is above the truth?