You've yet to show me where I said homosexuality is okay. You haven't, because no where did I say such a thing nor did I say sin is okay. I treat the gay community the same because they are not monsters. They are human beings. God looks at all sin as the same. So I do too. Why would I treat a gay person any different than I would a friend that isn't a Christian and sleeps with girls? I don't. I do my best to tell them about Christ, and pray that they let Him in their lives and repent from their ways. I've said it before and I've said it again. There's a reason why there's a strong divide between the gay community and the Christian community. Remember, Christ ate with the worst of people back then. How many of us are willing to do that in today's world. In this case, I'm guessing most Christians would think the gay community is the worst of all people. So how many people, including you, would be willing to eat dinner with the gay community. And talk about Jesus?
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Lets try the bible and see if it classifies this sin in a different way than a girl who flirts at IHOP?
Ro 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Ge 13:13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.
Ge 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Ro 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Ge 13:13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.
Ge 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
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You sound to me as if you are trying to justify this sin or equate it with the girl who flirts at IHOP... The fact is this sin is clearly defined in scripture as an abomination and the sin of a reprobate mind against God...Now that just a honest reading of the scripture ...and how I witness to sinners is based on how Gods love and Spirit direct me...but I know that only sinners know they need a Savior and lying to these folks or making a trying to point to other sin to excuse their sin, is not helpful at all.
Yeah.. Not sure what the point of posting those verses were. I asked you to point out where did I say homosexuality was okay and sin was okay. Numerous of times, in fact. But you haven't. I'm going to go to sleep now. Maybe you can point out where I said it come next time I log on. Or maybe you'll still be thinking I'm pro gay. Who knows. But again. You continue going on in threads about homosexuality on a Christian. Because that surely reaches those that aren't on a Christian site and those that are gay and lost in sin...
I brought the girl from IHOP as a way of showing how many Christians ignore everyday things that go on in our own back yard. Please don't tell me you're okay with someone flirting so she can make more money. Would God be okay with that? Just because IHOP and the word waitress isn't listed in the Bible, we should ignore it and it's not a big deal?
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When the government makes laws calling adultery or fornication a protected civil right as they have this sexual perversion...be sure you will hear from me...but people being pretty or attractive is not a sin.
But I often speak out against the sexual content that is being promoted to our society...read some of my threads
But I often speak out against the sexual content that is being promoted to our society...read some of my threads
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Using that attractiveness for personal gain is? A waitress leaning in a little too close while serving a customer, or being a little too touchy feely to get a few extra dollars in tips is okay?Magazines like playboy and the SI swimsuit edition are okay? Attractive people, after all. Or are those totally different?
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What you see as myopia is really genuine Christians acting as salt and light rather than the tasteless acceptance you advocate for as you berate us for sharing what Jesus Christ taught which is that people are to be either single and celibate or married and faithful to a spouse of the opposite gender (and if they find themselves in sin to repent of it). Jesus considered any other expression of sexuality sinful and this includes same-sex activity.
Now homosexuality is presently the topic of the day and so we discuss it from a biblical viewpoint correcting error and misunderstanding as we would with any other topic of the day (despite your obvious discomfort with us doing so).
Furthermore, as Mitspa pointed out, though scripture teaches that all sin can separate one from God without appropriation; sin gradients in severity as seen all through the Old Testament Mosaic Law and the New Testament. Homosexuality is treated harshly in scripture and for very legitimate reasons.
From a sociological perspective, socio-historical scholars have established in published studies that when civilizations turn from what social anthropologist Dr. J. D. Unwin termed "absolute monogamy" between men and women to homosexuality (and other negative sexual deviations), it marks the beginning of the end for that civilization. Replacement eventually follows.
There's a lot wrong with our country today; however, this serious and severe negative deviation away from God's design for human sexuality into wholesale homosexual immorality (and other sexually immoral practices such as adultery and fornication en masse) may be the worst of them.
Scripture patently warns that societies which unrepentantly immerse themselves in the level of immorality that Western Civilization has again embarked upon will suffer God's holy judgment (e.g. punishment followed by replacement) just as occurred the last time and people who unrepentantly immerse themselves in it face the danger of reprobation then hell.
Biblically, it's very serious and you're treating it as if it's not.
Now homosexuality is presently the topic of the day and so we discuss it from a biblical viewpoint correcting error and misunderstanding as we would with any other topic of the day (despite your obvious discomfort with us doing so).
Furthermore, as Mitspa pointed out, though scripture teaches that all sin can separate one from God without appropriation; sin gradients in severity as seen all through the Old Testament Mosaic Law and the New Testament. Homosexuality is treated harshly in scripture and for very legitimate reasons.
From a sociological perspective, socio-historical scholars have established in published studies that when civilizations turn from what social anthropologist Dr. J. D. Unwin termed "absolute monogamy" between men and women to homosexuality (and other negative sexual deviations), it marks the beginning of the end for that civilization. Replacement eventually follows.
There's a lot wrong with our country today; however, this serious and severe negative deviation away from God's design for human sexuality into wholesale homosexual immorality (and other sexually immoral practices such as adultery and fornication en masse) may be the worst of them.
Scripture patently warns that societies which unrepentantly immerse themselves in the level of immorality that Western Civilization has again embarked upon will suffer God's holy judgment (e.g. punishment followed by replacement) just as occurred the last time and people who unrepentantly immerse themselves in it face the danger of reprobation then hell.
Biblically, it's very serious and you're treating it as if it's not.
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Read this post of mine here: http://christianchat.com/christian-family-forum/116920-defining-homosexuality-5.html#post2178249
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"Paul's use of arsenokoitai in 1 Timothy makes homosexual behavior a legitimate target of proscriptive legislation for it is inappropriate for societies to sanction homosexual "gay rights" or validate homosexual marriage. If society validates homosexuality, the karet penalty remains. For its failures in moral leadership, Western society is now open for divine judgment..."
You're fully within your duty as a Christian to socially and politically advocate for God's normative morality for people, society, and the world at large regardless of what any non-Christian or professing Christian says, thinks, or feels. Do it with a right heart and this IS a form of acting as salt and light.
And it's really immaterial whether or not it makes people uncomfortable to be reminded that God exists, is holy, and has very real expectations for their personal and societal conduct when you actively engage in discourse with a right heart and manner.
Note:
"Paul's use of arsenokoitai in 1 Timothy makes homosexual behavior a legitimate target of proscriptive legislation for it is inappropriate for societies to sanction homosexual "gay rights" or validate homosexual marriage. If society validates homosexuality, the karet penalty remains. For its failures in moral leadership, Western society is now open for divine judgment..."
You're fully within your duty as a Christian to socially and politically advocate for God's normative morality for people, society, and the world at large regardless of what any non-Christian or professing Christian says, thinks, or feels. Do it with a right heart and this IS a form of acting as salt and light.
And it's really immaterial whether or not it makes people uncomfortable to be reminded that God exists, is holy, and has very real expectations for their personal and societal conduct when you actively engage in discourse with a right heart and manner.
Okay so we want to put secuality on a different level on sins. Okay. Where's all the uproar then on masturbation and pornography? Both damage a person's purity. I'm not seeing an equal pounding my fist on the table, stomping my feet on the ground, yelling "I'm not going to take if anymore" posts and threads like I am seeing with homosexuality. Can't pick and choose sin you want to gripe about. It's all or none.
I didn't condemn anyone here, I was just pointing out what the Bible tells us about homosexuality and that it is a sin. Someone promoting homosexuality or adultery or any other kind of sin should be dealt with in a similar manner by the mods. I have seen people who have committed adultery and wanted help here, but I have not seen anyone promoting it. There's a huge difference in those two kinds. Even if someone was promoting such a sin I'm not sure if he would get banned all of a sudden, maybe brothers and sisters here would try to talk to him first and try to get him to understand that it is a sin. Then if he gets all offensive and all that, that's when he'll probably get banned. I'm not sure, not a mod here. If someone wanted help with a sin like homosexuality or any other kind of sin I'm very sure that everyone here would be glad to help. I'm guessing you have seen someone promoting adultery? Has he been offensive or has he understood his sin?
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Don't do those things or approve them...and when the government makes them a protected class of citizen and starts to promote these sins in our society...then more folks will point out the errors of these sins as well.
By the way do we have folks marching around demanding that other accept their masturbation pride? Or do we use terms like the masturbation community?
By the way do we have folks marching around demanding that other accept their masturbation pride? Or do we use terms like the masturbation community?
Sitting on a Christian site repeatedly saying homosexuality is bad isn't constructive. The gay community actually go about in the streets trying to get what they believe is their right. No matter how wrong that is. Do you actually want to save these people? Then go out to the gay community and minister to them. As far as a masturbation and pornography community, are such things going to have to come to existence for you to want to do something about those?
Hello MadeInDodsImage 
Its a bit tricky being banned for ungodly acts. If you read the threads here about the amount of christians committing adultry or spousal abuse or a whole string of other shameful (albeit it totally human) acts, then half the people here would be banned. I do take your point though and I dont really see that anyone is PROMOTING homosexuality... its just there is mixed opinion on how to respond to those who are gay (ie whether to spurn or embrace them). Discussing is fine but its not so fine when the opinion turns to villifying people, and I think thats what some mean here when they talk of homophobes... that the point is made with hate and intending to ridicule or shame. To me thats just as bad a sin.
Its a bit tricky being banned for ungodly acts. If you read the threads here about the amount of christians committing adultry or spousal abuse or a whole string of other shameful (albeit it totally human) acts, then half the people here would be banned. I do take your point though and I dont really see that anyone is PROMOTING homosexuality... its just there is mixed opinion on how to respond to those who are gay (ie whether to spurn or embrace them). Discussing is fine but its not so fine when the opinion turns to villifying people, and I think thats what some mean here when they talk of homophobes... that the point is made with hate and intending to ridicule or shame. To me thats just as bad a sin.
Yeah, there would be Christians who have committed such acts, but there are a lot of them here? I have always been on either the teens forums or on the young adults one. Then maybe a bit here and there on the music and poems forum, recently I thought I'll join the Bible discussion one. So I don't really know much. If someone has committed such sins and come here and tell them out and ask for help it is fine, totally fine. But coming here and promoting them and offending others is not right. That's what I think. Neither have I seen anyone promoting any kind of sin here so far. I have seen the offending part happen from both sides, Christians must not offend even if the other person talking to them is doing so. Making points with hate and intending to shame will only get others aggressive. :/
Why do we have mixed opinions on how to respond to gay people? We should love everyone, even our enemies, we must embrace them. Homosexuality is a sin, we all have our share of sin, what makes us so special not to embrace gay people? By embrace I don't mean to support homosexuality, but to love that person.